/f1/ - Formula One

>>12717

Or maybe you do you do just suck lol

>>12718

>you do you do

Fucking irony.

>>12712

After all, even as it is, that's a hugely embarrassing result for the modern regs, because 80s rubber, 80s knowledge and application of composites, and probably limited to no computer assisted design still makes a fair comparison.

>>12714

>>12715

I guess it is important to note that as shitty as motorsport is today (even since the 90s when every sport decided to become spec and forgot how to be cool), there are alternate dimensions where it is even worse.

>>12725

Getting it off public roads in concept isn't a bad idea. Changing the circuit de la sarthe at all when it has such history is a bad idea.

The two of these are mutually exclusive.

>>12727

That is why instead of building new track they should have just built new public roads around the circuit.

See it does work. They just went around it the wrong way.

>>12728

Oh I thought that you implied that that was an excluded option. For sure that was the only way to go.

>>12730

Wow they ripped that apart like they did to imola! And ayrton senna didnt even die at Monza.

>>12732

Well. It would have taken even more skill out of it and the whole thing would be point an squirt.

Let's go! No chicanes, the old faster lesmos, and the oval for 2017.

>>12738

I don't know, that they changed it at all because 2 cars had problems with them that were compounded by the late ban of driver aids is already hugely abhorrent to me.

>>12739

They were always going to change.

Pressure from the media to make changes to all aspects of the sport was ridiculous.

Imagine if a driver death during the race happened now. Especially someone as well known as Senna (Lewis for example)

Regardless of how he died the media would have wall to wall, 24hr coverage for weeks, interviewing everyone possible asking what changes will be made to make GP racing safe again. They would be accusing them of being short sighted before the accident. They would want someone's head, someone to blame, someone to have as a hate figure.

They would start questioning the safety of other series'. They would be demanded that Jean Todt stand down (I'll go with that) for him letting it happen.

>>12742

Honestly we dodged a bullet when the knee jerk closed cockpits shit started up after bianchi crashed.

>>12744

It just delayed it.

It will come eventually

I'll tell you what, even in my racing in lower formula cars, the mindset of everything is safe is pervasive.

When Verstappen slammed into the back of Grosjean and had the gall to flip the blame, and later act like he wouldn't be a racing driver if he didn't go for every gap (even that one which was not a pass, just a collision), that really resonated with me.

I had a KartingKid (little euro shit who's parents have the money to have him karting since the womb) slam into me in a similar way. It was at that time that I thought they made it too safe, now all the tards think it's fucking bumpercars.

>>12746

Yeah, the "gap" was wide open iirc, maybe two car-widths worth of space. He just made a rookie mistake and rode too close before he made the move.

There was an economist who proposed putting a spike in the center of every car's steering wheel to increase road safety. People would grasp that they were driving a death trap and wouldnt fuck around on their phone or eat a burrito while driving.

I'm not advocating that, but I am pointing out that there is a level of acceptable risk. More people die each year from bathtub falls than terrorism, and I'm sure there's a similar statistic for motorracing.

My point is that Bianchi's crash proves that the most remote fucking circumstances that create some level of danger will eventually occur. You cannot make it completely safe and we should stop trying to. Everyone knows what they're signing up for.

If you want to mandate safety equipment, fine, if you want to revise the rules for marshalling, fine, if you want to improve track barriers, fine, but slowing down the cars, and fucking with the tracks (beyond possibly blind corners and improved facilities) is unacceptable.

If I had to describe F1 in a sentence, that sentence would be "throwing the baby out with the bathwater."

If you watch the Derek Warwick interview in the other thread, you'll see that when he was a lower series safety advocate (after his brother died) he went through great pains to improve track safety in a manner that didnt shit all over the sport.

>>12747

thank you for that, that is beautiful /s

>>12749

Yeah but who is demanding that changes be made.

Fans (Not all), the media and the sponsors.

Two of those are important to the higher ups and so changes will always be made to eliminate as much risk as physically possible so they don't get upset.

>>12753

you're even starting to see some change in that. FOM and the media keep talking about the need for driving to be hard and drivers to be heroic, fucking blind to the irony of why they arent now.

>>12759

how come motorcycle and dirt track racing get away with it? F1 belongs to us, the fans, not people who care only long enough to insist that it use hybrid engines, or needs to be safer.

This shit is only going to keep coming. Are you going to keep watching when half the grid is composed of hybrid dallara spec chassis ferraris made be hideous, slow, sound like shit, and take no skill to drive racing on street circuits in arab countries that are all fucking squares with a chicane every now and then?

>>12760

what about when a retard pay driver (who is necessary because planned economies decrease efficiency and even running the spec cars will be expensive) turns the whole grid into an expensive carbon fiber confetti display?

>>12760

Because nobody gives a fuck about motorcycle and dirt track racing in terms of big sponsors.

And when you say motorcycle racing I assume you mean TT, North West 200 and Irish road racing because MotoGP is relatively safe and one of the last few death resulted in changes to a circuit. And WSBK has demand changes to circuits such as the parabolica run off.

>Are you going to keep watching when half the grid is composed of hybrid dallara spec chassis ferraris made be hideous, slow, sound like shit, and take no skill to drive racing on street circuits in arab countries that are all fucking squares with a chicane every now and then?

By that point motorsport may have been banned or we will have moved onto drone racing or something like that using headsets and onboard cameras.

>>12762

I meant things like motocross and the Isle of man TT.

>By that point motorsport may have been banned or we will have moved onto drone racing or something like that using headsets and onboard cameras.

we're less than 10 years out from that.

>>12765

without the human element, without fuckups, with each lap changing in predictable parameters that a drone can accommodate easily, you'll have really shitty racing. Watch, it'll be spec drone racing too, because the FIA has to ruin shitty things as well.

>>12766

By drone in this sense I meant quadcopters with onboards camera and drivers wearing VR helmets to race from first person.

That is a thing already.

Heck it is basically like star wars.

…someone hold me, i'm getting aids from the way motorsport is and is going.

>>12767

it's not gladiatorial then, it's not visceral. There's no wrestling for control, bracing for a bump, smelling the oil, gas, blood, sweat and tears. It's just a human doing a robot's job. Point, squirt, repeat, every time. Maybe there'll be some artificial strategy put in like fan boost, I'm sure that will fix it /s.

>>12768

>>12767

>>12769

Or of course it will all just be virtual racing and we will just watch trackmania or Forza.

'E-sports' (that is my least favourite word ever) are becoming more and more popular. Players are earning ridiculous salaries for having a really high keystroke speed. It's on sport channels already.

>>12770

I love computer racing games, but even with near perfect simulation, it wont be real and it won't be what formula 1 can be and has been.

>>12771

Oh it won't be simulator stuff it will be crazy racing.

Bernie can create his ultimate racing series with loop-da-loops and shortcuts.

That is what is entertaining to the fans or at least what the makers think they want.

In the end F1 and motor racing will evolve but it won't go back to what it has been.

Even the stuff like TT is changing. The newish TT Zero class is all electric and is about a 1:50 slower than the outright lap record and some of the big names race in it.

It's been improving every year in speed. If it keeps going the same way then in about 3-4 years it will be the fastest

>>12772

mmm that lovely electric whine

>>12772

>>12773

How the fuck are you such a glutton for punishment?

Whatever retarded gimmicks they put into this shit it wont recapture the magic. The magic of a sport it candid, it develops organically.

Bernie can put as many loop de loops he wants, but it will never be a true sport.

>>12774

>How the fuck are you such a glutton for punishment?

I'm…not….Have you been thinking that I want the stuff I just posted about?

I don't I was just being a bit flippant/sarcastic or whatever the correct word is.

>>12775

We can all taste the sarcasm, it's just that your phrasing almost always makes it sound like you're okay with it. There's such a tone of passivity that it's almost hard to tell where the joke ends (that's not a criticism of your sarcasm ability, actually it's an endorsement). That you explain away all the problems like they don't matter or are features is really redolent of certain people… Plebbit joke aside.

Maybe this is more a commentary on the state of the motorsport "fanbase" (many of these people are bandwagoners who have no actual investment in the sport) than it is on your sardonic wit that it's so hard to tell your flippancy from seriousness.

Tl;dr: if enough people pretend to be retarded, genuine tards will eventually join them and replace them, in the case of F1, there are so many bandwagoners who have supported every wrong turn that it is actually hard to tell sarcasm from retardation.

The tl;dr wasn't very short, sorry.

>>12774

>Bernie can put as many loop de loops he wants

>not wanting F1 to have loop de loops

>all this talk of TT

>browsed YT

>found this (YT vid related)

>am now hooked

Been a motoGP fan for a while, I never really took interest in TT, I even watched a doc on it.

What is the live coverage like?

Sky F1 Midweek Report:

https://vid.me/Gi2T

Pinkham, 16:30

>McLaren have… "the most loyal set of fans in F1"

My sides

>dat Brit team circlejerk