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“Your existence is a momentary lapse of reason.”

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 No.56726

Okay, first of all, before you guys get your panties in a bunch and tell me that this isn't like the other topics, or whatever, I'm letting you know ahead of time that I am new here. I did lurk for a bit, and I found a few posts, and a thread or two that fell on similar lines. Plus, you can see it says Science Fiction right up at the top.

Hey, guys! What if, and hear me out, what if maybe the Singularity already happened and we are all being governed by an artificial intelligence in an Augmented Reality?! That could explain quite a bit, actually. Inconsistencies, and what-not…

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 No.56741

>That could explain quite a bit, actually. Inconsistencies, and what-not…

Like what?

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 No.56742

>what if maybe the Singularity already happened

You would expect something far more efficient from an AI, if AI as we perceive of it in fiction is even possible.

>Augmented Reality

Just because you feel like a robot sometimes doesn't mean the rest of us do. Besides, calling it A.R. instead of V.R. doesn't make your hypothesis (I use that term loosely) any more reasonable or timely than the Matrix films.

>>56741

<This

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 No.56756

Inconsistencies are more easily explained by the fact for a lot of things, history doesn't matter. Our minds, and to a degree the whole universe, doesn't really care about the exact order certain events happened in. Maintaining the illusion of consistency is more valuable than absolute precision in things.

In humans, the easiest example of this is the Stopped Clock illusion.

>Eyes report utter shite when they're moving, and they move _all the time_, the fuckers.

>The brain needs regular input to run pattern-matching in so it doesn't have to spend a lot of time deciding what is real and what's an artifact of shitty sensors.

>If you look at something like a clock with a second hand, it will appear to stall in place for longer than it should before moving again.

>When we snap our gaze somewhere, there's a delay before we get a useful update into our brains that can be processed.

>We duplicate and backdate a bunch of sensor info in order to present the illusion of continuous input for the purposes of pattern seeking.

>backdating the duplicated input causes us to suddenly decide we've _been looking_ at the seconds hand of the clock for longer than we have and it's always looked like the first image we saw of it.

>This works for other senses too.

>Your brain will happily claim to have been paying attention to something that it noticed after the fact if it decides that something you recently heard was important.

>If you examine your memory really closely, you will find that you think you started paying attention to what you were hearing just _before_ you heard whatever it is.

>Brain confirmed to be built by lowest metabolic bidder

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 No.56757

The Singularity is maybe not happening right now - but, weirdly, we are in the "Age of Spiritual Machines" as predicted by Ray Kurzweil at nearly a perfect space on the timeline he laid out.

Kurzweil isn't right about a lot. He predicted that the doubling rate for semiconductors would increase instead of plateauing in the 2010's. His guesstimates put the cost of (again, his estimates) sufficient gross computing to equal to a human brain in degree to $1000 in 2019. I can't say anything with authority about how he came to his figures, but whatever he claims, it's very unlikely that you can get an equal amount of general computing power for that price IRL.

That said, he does get kudos for some of the concepts he outlined. The "Age of Spiritual Machines" began in 2018.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1802.07740.pdf

These guys tried applying the complex pattern-discerning properties of the current raft of neural network tools to a specific task: understanding the actions of a separate program. They get moderately into detail into their methods, but the goal was to simulate the ability of humans and other very intelligent animals to develop a theory of mind(ToM) for outside entities based on an understanding of what is stimulating the entity and past reactions to stimulus. We use our ability to form a theory of mind for lots and lots of things, since our evolutionary background included a lot of social aggression in small groups where understanding how someone else would react to a situation gave strategic advantage. In humans, ToM is hypertrophied to the point that we assign mindedness to nearly any phenomena too complex to model directly. Anthropomorphization of the non-furry kind is what it's called when we treat something that isn't people like it is.

Dudes succeeded. Their Tomnet project is capable of developing independent models of behavior for multiple agents interacting in a simulation space. (Read the fucking paper, Shinji) It can handle multiple levels of complexity. It crrectly deduces rough statistical models for brownian/randomly-acting agents. It extrapolates a model of the process being used by algorithmic-following agents. It develops a statistically-weighed model of the kinds of behaviors chosen by agents controlled by another neural network with complex behavior.

But, what sets Tomnet apart from many animals, including human toddlers and autists (reeeeeeee!), is its ability to correctly infer when an agent itself has an incorrect model of the world and Tomnet makes a correct prediction of the agent's incorrect acts. The test for this in people is called the Sally-Anne Test (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sally%E2%80%93Anne_test). Humans under four years old, and slightly older humans with autism, cannot correctly predict behavior in others where that other's information about a situation differs from their own.

This is pretty goddamn big in terms of achievement. When I called it the "Age of Spiritual Machines", the theory of mind is the basis for religious thoughts. If you start to think of the world as just another person to be understood, you imbue it with a sense of purpose and other crap. It's just a lot of cultural development and discussion to get that shaped up into a religion.

We literally have tools that could allow us to make machines to look for God in the world. It's not an earth-shattering and obvious change to everything, but when minds look back to see when it all began, ToMnet will be the machine equivalent of the first animal that correctly intuited the tactics of prey to capture them. Not sentient, but on the line that can end in sentience.

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 No.56760

>>56756

Occam's razor.

Evolutionary biology can explain that without resorting to fanciful notions of living in an AI mediated state of existence. Read My big TOE by Thomas Campbell, even that is more likely.

>>56757

interesting developments, as usual. Yet we have had AI winters before so I wouldn't put too much stock into any line of research getting us to the sapient AI (flying car?) future we pray for.

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 No.56761

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>>56726

OP you have identified the Cartesian argument concerning solipsism.

Descates aside, I believe there can never be incontrovertible proof that the world is not an illusion or that other people really exist independently of an illusion, self directed or enforced by some third party.

It is ultimately a philosophical choice to decide whether the 'apparently' independent minds and forces in the world disobey you and cause you harm sometimes because you are self destructive, that the third party (god/ai) hates you sometimes or is capricious, or that there really are other imperfect minds out there acting independently of your own.

For more detailed investigations, please consult

>https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/59

Developmental psychology also examines this question through what is called "the no experiment" which typically occurs around the age of 2.

Example: Someone calls to a child, and for the first time the child says, "no" then watches their body to see if it obeys. When it doesn't move, their whole ontology is shifted to acknowledge their own agency as opposed to a former view that the whole of creation was their body/mind, supposedly.

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 No.56762

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>>56761

>continued

Ultimately it is more interesting to me to consider for the first time humanity has stepped out of the shadow of it's AI overlord/god that controlled everything on a grand scale and can try the whole 'adult agency' thing for a bit.

But that said I am also tickled to consider the words of Morpheus from Deus Ex concerning humanity's need for judgment and approval. (Pic Related)

It takes a certain amount of courage to both be wrong if we are in a simulation, as you face the shame of being wrong, but it also is the only means by which a human being may exercise their will as an adult. One must ultimately realize that we each determine what is and is not, what should or should not be done for ourselves. Cribbing of of some other moral system is ultimately dependence regardless of the reality of the situation.

As such I choose to believe we are free because I choose to believe we are free. But in my made up story, we all get to be gods/adults and in the alternative what we do doesn't matter.

Sophistry perhaps, but as I said earlier the best I've got is a personal preference argument.

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 No.56763

>>56726

>low iq and gay

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