No.36725 [Last50 Posts]
Post solid terminal based *nix applications that follow the Unix philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well. I'll start
Minimodem: "can be used to transfer data between nearby computers using an audio cable (or just via sound waves), or between remote computers using radio, telephone, or another audio communications medium."
http://www.whence.com/minimodem/
CW: Just like it sounds, it encodes and decodes morse code. It will output text (in the form of dots and dashes) or output sound through your audio device.
NetCat: "
In the simplest usage, 'nc host port' creates a TCP connection to the given
port on the given target host. Your standard input is then sent to the host,
and anything that comes back across the connection is sent to your standard
output."
http://nc110.sourceforge.net/
Units: "The 'units' program converts quantities expressed in various scales to their equivalents in other scales."
https://www.gnu.org/software/units/
(Installed by default in most linux distrobutions, you probably already have it)
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No.36729
>>36725
This is such a pointless thread. It feels like a linux circlejerk.
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No.36731
>>36729
A linux circlejerk maybe, but what could be more on topic here than simple, useful terminal applications? Besides, *nix is objectively more cyber than windows or osx, is it not?
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No.36734
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No.36753
>>36725
>netcat
Get out of here. There's literally no reason to use netcat other than using it in your shitty scripts to transfer data (which should be done with scp anyways). Besides, socat is a more powerful tool than netcat.
Here's a list of lesser known but useful programs:
>socat
>pipeview (pv)
>egrep instead of grep
>at (execute something at a specific time, like crontab, but only once)
>The inotify-tools/inotify-hookable packages (watch a file for changes)
>watch (constantly execute program and show differences in output)
>apt-file (search for files through deb packages)
Ya'll will call me a oyabun for this, but I installed Linux in a chroot (via crouton) on a splinter new yet cheap chromebook I got my hands on. (100 EUR for a 260 EUR machine, schway.)
Gonna wipe Chrome OS off it in a bit.
I needed a laptop that was passively cooled and this was the cheapest I could get. A 1.7 Ghz dual core ARMv7 processor with 2 GB of ram is fast enough for me. (Only OpenGL ES, and some libs not available for arm!)
Gets a bit hot, though. Even at 200 Mhz. I get the feeling I need to manually turn down the voltage because Chrome OS isn't smart enough to do that.
Luckily, the PMIC (s5m8767-pmic) and wifi card (anx7808) are both exposed via i2c and the i2c interface is not hidden away. Because why would you? Only nerds run their chromebook in developer mode.
Bump, even though thread is rather shit.
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No.36792
>>36753
Thanks chummer, I had never heard of socat, and watch is perfect to use with xfce's command output applet.
It's a better thread than burritos :^)
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No.36804
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No.36817
>>36804
Linux is free as in beer, free as in beer is cyber.
Linux is free as in libre, free as in libre is cyber.
Linux is niche, hackable, customizable, and allows you to interact with your hardware more directly when it comes to everyday tasks especially. Not to mention how vastly superior linux's terminal is to CMD, or even powershell for that matter, and terminals are about as cyber as you can get.
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No.36939
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No.36947
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No.37006
>>36817
>Linux is free as in beer
>Linux is free as in libre
But what if I don't care if it's free, but still want the cyber aspect?
>Linux is niche
I don't care about being a hipster though.
>hackable
Isn't every system that allows you access to a terminal?
>customizable
You do realize you can customize other systems too right?
>vastly superior linux's Terminal is to CMD, or even powershell
Cygwin for windows. 'Nuff said.
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No.37016
>>37006
>But what if I don't care if it's free, but still want the cyber aspect?
What?
>Isn't every system that allows you access to a terminal?
Confirmed for never hacking GNU/Linux. Or Windows, for that matter.
>You do realize you can customize other systems too right?
Confirmed for never customizing Windows.
>Cygwin for windows. 'Nuff said.
>You need to install *GNU/Linux for Windows" in order to make it usable
But of course, videogames are cyberpunk, and that makes Windows the most cyberpunk OS of them all, amirite? :^)
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No.37026
>>37006
With Linux you can edit the source code to make it do what you want. That's what hackable means.
With Windows only microsoft and NSA have that ability.
Windows is extremely complex underneath and difficult to customize in any meaningful way. There are glitches dating back to the year 2000 that have not been dealt with.
Cygwin is good but is not a replacement for Unix. There are a lot of things missing and behavior isn't exactly what you'd expect from a Unix machine. It's also slower because the NT kernel is garbage. Don't forget the insane permissions scheme and the way that Windows stores your password in plaintext when you log in. If you're stuck with Windows it's the best option, but that's void in the case of a personal computer.
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No.37042
>Minimodem
I literally just read about a similar tactic by advertising companies, their apps emit ultrasonic chirps as an ID, and if other devices pick it up then that ID can be associated with whatever device picked it up, or something like that.
Like your phone might not be associated with your computer, until you install one of their apps and your computer starts emitting chirps, which your phone picks up and sends back to the server, so now they can associate your computer with your phones account as well.
Sorry for being off topic.
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No.37043
>>37042
That's very interesting, do you have a link?
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No.43206
bumping for >>37043
>>37042
Can you back that up? That's something between absolute paranoia, troll, and angst-inducing.
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No.43222
>>36725
Minimodem is really neat. If I connected a cassette deck to my soundcard, I would have a modern day datasette. This wouldn't really be that useful unless USB drives became hard to find while cassette tapes remain common. It could be used to transmit data over radio though. It can be used to transfer files, right?
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No.43262
>>37042
>ultrasonic
And that's how you know this is bs. Cheap microphones and speakers crap out at 16kHz, if it's on a phone the range might be even lower.
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No.43269
>>36731
I agree with you anon. The more *nix I've learned myself, the more powerful and worth learning it seems to be.
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No.43322
I just learned about the moreutils package a few days ago. It's available in most distros' repositories, and provides several handy dandy tools, as a sort of extension to the coreutils. https://joeyh.name/code/moreutils/
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No.43572
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No.43583
Found this. Valve, in particular, seems like a useful tool.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/
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No.43588
hah, I used a similar program like minimodem to be able to pirate games on my apple 2e.
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No.43598
mtr. it is a vastly superior ping replacement.
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No.44032
>>36725
http://suckless.org/
Especially dmenu, st and surf.
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No.44038
>>44032
>dmenu and surf
TOP schway
Dmenu is an awful application launcher. Surf is perpetually crashing and only looks visually non-bloat.
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No.44060
>>44032
>surf is a simple web browser based on WebKit/GTK+
>Webkitgtk
>simple
The interface may be simple, but it stacks atop the sheer complexity of webkitgtk
Which is also know to have a number of security issues
Then again the web sucks these days
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No.44065
>>44038
surf is awful and hueg but dmenu is really nice
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No.45029
>>37006
>Isn't every system that allows you access to a terminal?
So basically only *nix and maybe some hyper-obscure OSs?
>inb4 he thinks terminal emulators are terminals
>inb4 he thinks Window's cmd.exe is a terminal
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No.45030
>>44065
>dmenu is really nice
Someone has never tried rofi, superswitcher, or simpleswitcher.
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No.46589
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No.46595
>>36725
> minimodem
You can decode/encode Emergency Alert System messages with it in the NOAA mode.
Paired with a radio transmitter, it could cause yuge panic (think of false nuclear war alert) and black helicopter chase after you.
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No.46749
>>36729
>>36804
Get back to your containment chan, newfag.
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No.47828
bc << EOF
scale=4
$@
quit
EOF
This script is just an inline calculator that can do floating point math.
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No.47829
>>47828
>$[at]
>email protected
what a meme
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No.48138
>>36939
the modern web is too dependent on images and javascript for lynx
still schway though
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No.48140
>>36725
socat is better than netcat.
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No.48221
Fucking GDB . Debugger at your hands from a terminal.
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No.52534
>XONSH
>BASH + Python Shell
>Fuck scripting in bash
>Why doesn't your shell have access to libraries through python bindings.
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No.52536
Wew, that 1+ year bump
>>52534
Because there's literally no reason for your shell to have to start a whole python vm. Most unix tools come with a program to use their library anyway, even python can do it with setuptools. If you need a special shell to access python libraries, the library is wrong.
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No.52537
>>52536
>Wew, that 1+ year bump
>Delete new threads
Its like people actively want the board dead. If you don't want people to post, archive board, open local copy everyday, and re-read same thing daily.
>Because there's literally no reason for your shell to have to start a whole python vm.
>entire python VM
Even on the dated hardware i am using its blindly fast, and unnoticeable.
Bash scripting is arcane, unreadable and generally garbage.
Point of shell is to encourage casual programing. Why not use a less garbage language, and have access to a more reasonable programming environment.
I also use scipy a lot for my classes, and having a single terminal is better for me.
Keep meming that your a c programmer for the 90s who compiles a program to multiply matrices that he wrote himself for every tensor contraction you want to do. While simultaneously having equally contradictory views about the board: New posts should exist, old ones are awesome…. Bumping old threads, are you kidding me?
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No.52552
>>52537
I can hardly believe there are fukos like you on my h8chan. Yeah, I do write a lot of C, not for the 90's but for 2018. Python is a shitty scripting lang and Guido is a retard, use Lua. Regardless of what you need scipy for, bash is just fine for what it is. It's probably even better for some things you think you need your meme frameworks for.
https://adamdrake.com/command-line-tools-can-be-235x-faster-than-your-hadoop-cluster.html
The entire point of shell scripts is that they're correctly built for you, with an easy interface that you can't fuck up without the whole thing blowing up, which is a good thing when your setting up batch processing jobs, you know, that thing people getting actual work done need to do. Now go do your coursework and shut the fuck up. You're allowed to talk again when you python weenies fix the GIL.
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No.52555
>>52537
>Even on the dated hardware i am using its blindly fast, and unnoticeable.
Some people's use cases are heavier than organizing your hentai folders or their use cases need something that the c/cpp libraries written by a c dev, like scipy/numpy that you're using don't do. So they can write new ones or use c
>Keep meming that your a c programmer for the 90s who compiles a program
See above, it's blazing fast because that "meme" still exists in the current year
>Bash scripting is arcane, unreadable and generally garbage.
It's garbage and ugly, but it's not arcane or unreadable, the man pages are pretty decent.
Also, agreed with bumping old threads on a slow board like this isn't a big deal and anon hasn't explained the issue with it.
>>52552
>bash is just fine for what it is.
bash is literal nigger tech, are you a nigger anon?
>Guido
he's gone, but yeah he is.
>allowed to talk again when you python weenies fix the GIL.
They have, by removing it. Use IronPython or one of the others that doesn't have a GIL
Take your own advice and shut the fuck up. Do some research before talking about what you've little to no idea about.
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No.52556
>>52555
>Some people's use cases are heavier than organizing your hentai folders or their use cases need something that the c/cpp libraries written by a c dev, like scipy/numpy that you're using don't do. So they can write new ones or use c
Im not advocating for people to run their simulations in python. I litterally said XONSH is a cool shell. Thats it. Other /tech/ larper, decided that was impossible because python was to slow to compete with bash, which is outright silly, if you are using bash/ python , you are optimizing for programmer time, not run time. Which is actually what you want for one-off casual scripts. The performance difference isn't noticeable on hardware almost a decade old.
>See above, it's blazing fast because that "meme" still exists in the current year
< Keep meming that your a c programmer for the 90s who compiles a program to multiply matrices that he wrote himself for every tensor contraction you want to do
No, you cut the most important part of that statement off. The idea is that this guy is championing C as a replacement for casual interaction with the computer. Thats horrific non-sense. Using a systems language like C as a CAS is non-sensically obtuse. Compiling isn't an issue when you build release software than generally runs thousands of times more often than code changes. When you doing mathematics through a CAS, or writing one-offs, that changes. I didn't say C was useless. I said C is the wrong tool for casual programming.
Which is why I said he is meming. No person would sit an compile one c program after another to multiply matrices, upload files, etc. And if you do, because people on the internet have told you that is the glorious way to go, and you type shit tons of boiler plate, all to get those matrices multiplied, your an idiot who deserves to be doing it.
The obvious exception to this is, when you are working with numerics heavy enough, or simulations specific enough, that you need to get out the optimized FORTRAN written specifically for the case.
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No.52559
>>52555
> nigger tech
Yeah yeah, still good for piping and processing text tho.
> IronPython
< we couldn't figure out how to remove gil without breaking everything, so we just remade python in .net and called it a day
< see? No gil! Its fixed!
< never mind that we now have a python vm on top of a .net vm, making the startup time even longer when used as part of a shell script.
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No.52562
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No.54841
>>36817
>Some Linuxes are free as in beer.
FTFY
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No.54842
>>37006
>But what if I don't care if it's free
Then you are too dumb to hang out here.
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No.54848
>>36725
>doing one thing and doing it well
What I don't like is that the unix philosophy like many philosophies is really vague. Pretty much everyone agrees that it just feels nice when you have a program that does exactly the right job. But people often have different ideas about what it means to do "one thing" and approach it in subtly different ways.
For some people it's about the purpose or use case of a program. If a special task appears frequently enough, there should be a program that accomplishes just that task. So when these people say "it does one thing well", they mean "it can perform exactly one task".
For others it's about separating programs. If a program has two sets of functions that can act independently, then they really should be two programs that can work on their own or interact when necessary. For these people "it does one thing well" means "the program does its job only and is therefore intended to be used together with other programs."
Another way to think about it is the idea of pure minimalism. Any program should have the smallest number of features to work at all. For those people the phrase "it does one thing well" means "it does one thing and it doesn't do much".
All of these approaches are valid in some sense which leads to people following the unix way very differently. Therefore I think the unix philosophy isn't a reasonable guideline at all. It's just a nice ideal that people like to follow.
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No.54850
These are a few of my favorite utils…
#youtube-dl w/ ffmpeg: remotely download media files from any streaming protocol and convert to any other extension. E.g. file.m4a -> file.mp3
#cmus: I prefer over ncmpcpp in terms of easy set up; however ncmpcpp w/ mpd does afford more customizability.
#cli-vis: visual audio analyzer in terminal
#vim: long live vim
#platformIO: I tinker with MCUs and often atmel boards based on arduino… this offers an in cli solution outside of the arduino IDE. Of course it needs to be installed to an IDE like atom or VScode… once installed it can be easily adapted into vim.
#dwarffortress: procedurally generated 2D RPG.
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No.54890
>>44060
web is so monstrously complicated and complex that building and maintaining the various components of backend (javascript runtime, html engine, DOM0 ) is just getting increasingly impossible and the world is basically down to three choices. Webkit/blink , Trident, or Gecko. Almost all niche browsers have transitioned away from their own engines (cf. Opera ) to focus on user interface. Increasingly, the browser is an operating system and commodized.
I would love to see the development of a "suckless" backend for a web browser, but that might honestly not be possible. Suckless is about minimalism, and the web is –anything– everything but.
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No.54894
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No.54900
>>54894
Damn Chummer. I would have bet on Gecko falling first. Mozzilla needs support more than ever.
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No.56961
>>36725
dnscrypt - protect your dns from snooping by upstream network. Pair with opennic for top 水.
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No.56964
`neofetch` very useful if you need an overview over your system.
I'm using Arch btw.
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No.56970
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No.56978
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No.56989
>>37026
I know I'm necromancing here, but I've begun to look seriously look into Windows exploitation particularly in Windows 7 and I gotta say, this isn't a lie. There are many cases where your password can be stored in plain text. Windows really is just a buggy mess.
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No.56992
>>56964
then again, you should really know what system you're working with without having to look it up with some 1337 haxx0r tool, shouldn't you.
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No.56996
>>56992
Linux users love that shit for some reason.
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No.56997
>>56992
Wait, why would anyone care? "You really should know…" what does that mean? Looking at a reference is bad? I don't get how it's bad. Are you retarded?
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No.57000
>>56997
He is retarded. Commands like whoami etc exist for admins who ssh. A console doesnt always make clear what host your on. You shouldnt just know. Neo fetch is actually for unix porn screen shots.
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No.57008
>>56992
but how else would I tell you that I use Arch btw?
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No.57009
>>57000
you're just salty because you're poor and can't afford more than 4GB ram lol
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No.57017
>>57000 (checked)
Trips of Truth
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No.57175
>>36725
jrnl is a python based CLI journal that supports tagging. Its pretty badass.
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No.58075
>>36725
BASH is a repl by itself.
You can start lines with
VAR=value VAR2=value2 … cmd1 | cmd2 | while read line; do
done
And once it works, you can place in an editor ready to save with the 'fc' builtin. No copy paste required. No GUI editor needed. No tmux necessary. Just a bash builtin. Bash by itself is a repl. Cybernigga shit for the 水 gods.
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