/cuteboys/ - Boypussy

>>390346

Last one didn't even hit the bump limit yet?

Its like what happened to /loli/ all over again, I swear theres a concerted effort to undermine the older popular boards.

Why did we need another thread? There's three up in the catalogue atm

>>390358

Where's this from? That's creepy as hell

>>390357

The drugs are pretty well studied and they're not duper dangerous if you get blood tests to check kidney and liver health. AAs are the dangerous ones and they're primarily prescribed as cancer drugs so they're very well studied

Super long term use can give some risks though so some people eventually cut their balls off to stop the risk

If you're gonna hate on the trannies at least be honest about it, there's a bunch of actual downsides and risks to hrt that are well documented. It's not some mystery drug that Jewish doctors came up with to feminize white men jfc

>trannies swear up and down they won't spam the board

>3 threads up and the other is barely out of page 2

The funniest part is that these whole threads are just 3 retards samefagging all day.

If admin wasn't retarded, he would just make the tranny thread cyclical and then there would be no need to remake them ever again

>>390383

It does not bump anymore. I've tried it.

Hence it's perfectly valid to start a new one.

>>390401

>self-medicating

Self-medicating should always be the last resort. It should come only when you've tried everything through official channels.

If you're in the US, or Canada, your first step should always be to go seek counsel at an informed-consent clinic. They're friendly, helpful, competent and don't gatekeep. You will receive advice from a qualified doctor. Places like Planned Parenthood especially will make it a point to help no matter if you have insurance or not, no matter how little money you have, they're really focused on helping people.

> for the sake of sexual appeal and satisfaction

Trans people do it for themselves.

>>390399

No it isn't, there are threads from years back on the catalog. Use the old thread until it dies or gets pruned, that's how it has always been on any imageboard ever. Fuck off.

>>390403

>being this jealous of trans people in 2018

Here's again the list for Planned Parenthood. Appointments can be made online. They do 'informed consent' (no gatekeeping).

1) Planned Parenthood with Gender Services

Planned Parenthood - Champaign Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Englewood Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Asheville Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Aurora Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Austin Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Bloomington Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Near North Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Decatur Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Peoria Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Rogers Park Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Pekin Health Center

Planned Parenthood - Springfield Health Center

2) Updated list of Planned Parenthood HRT Centers

California

Walnut Creek - Walnut Creek Health Center

Colorado

Denver - Denver Central Health Center

Maine

Biddeford - Biddeford Health Center

Portland - Portland Health Center

Sanford - Sanford Health Center

Topsham - Topsham Health Center

Montana

Billings - Planned Parenthood Heights

Billings - Planned Parenthood West

Helena - Planned Parenthood Helena

Nevada

Reno - FifthStreet Health Center

New Hampshire

Manchester - Manchester Health Center

New York

Ithaca - Ithaca Center

Saratoga Springs - Saratoga Springs Center

Corning, NY health center

North Carolina

Asheville - Asheville Health Center

Chapel Hill - Chapel Hill Health Center

Raleigh - Raleigh Health Center

Vermont

Barre - Barre Health Center

Bennington - Bennington Health Center

Brattleboro - Brattleboro Health Center

Burlington - Burlington Health Center

Hyde Park - Hyde Park Health Center

Middlebury - Middlebury Health Center

St. Albans - St. Albans Health Center

White River Junction - White River Junction Health Center

Washington

Bellingham - Bellingham Health Center

Mt. Vernon - Mt. Vernon Health Center

>>390401

I wasn't happy with the way I looked at all pre hrt, I hated looking masculine on a fundamental level. I'm much much much happier with how I look now and I'm the happiest I've ever been. It's not really a sexual thing for me at all honestly but I think my boyfriend prefers how I look now

You probably have to have some kind of gender dysphoria to want to take hrt and willingly sterilise yourself and take on all the other risks that come with it. I'd probably be happier if I was born a woman but I don't mind being a weirdly feminine looking guy now, my dick doesn't really bother me either way.

What do you mean taking hrt takes away the one thing you can call your own? Your ability to produce kids?

>>390404

>they pointed out I was being an idiot so they must be jealous

Fuck off.

The old threads aren't going to drop off the catalogue for ages so just use them, /cuteboys/ is really really slow and threads last for months

>>390406

>use teh old thread!!!

<but i'm going myself to use this one durdur

no logic at all

HRT can make you sterile, it can also not. This is even after multiple years, and even on a strong anti-androgen like cypro.

>>390404

Ah sorry I forgot you're that "swedish" shithead who keeps smugposting and gloating in these threads. Also I enjoy being a functional human being without dysphoria, thank you.

>>390411

Are you trans?

>>390411

Yeah testosterone therapy would make you swole breh, no worries.

>>390411

Your body is fine the way it is. Don't let some lich tell you otherwise

>>390412

Well I have dysphoria but I don't want to fully transition yet

>>390423

Oh and I'm mtf

>>390423

>>390424

You can transition medically, but not transition socially - if that makes your more comfortable. Take your time. A lot of people start HRT, but don't come out and keep it to themselves, sometimes for many years.

The sooner your start, the better the results. Transitioning during your early 20s is going to give amazing results. Don't worry about your shoulders!

>>390425

I'm currently 18 so this should work thanks for the advices =D

>>390425

>Transitioning during your early 20s is going to give amazing results. Don't worry about your shoulders!

I decided to post my face and upper torso on a thread on /lgbt/ called "could I pass?".

I got torn appart there. Had people saying that I should take an "alternative cure" if it existed, and others telling me to turn into a chad. One person told me to go hon, because, according to them, "being a hon is OK".

>>390443

The ironic part of feminizing HRT is that most young men that end up on it would probably have infinitely better lives if they went on TRT instead and just started lifting casually.

>>390444

But the idea of becoming muscle-y disgusts me. The idea of being masc, or something like that, whatever, that just horrifies me.

>>390445

Flag checks out

>>390446

What's that supposed to mean?

>>390448

>If you're trans, get on it as soon as possible. That's the best advice I can give. Get the help needed : go to a doctor, DIY with supervision, whatever, but do smthing

My current circumstances don't allow for that. Mixture of a shitty health service for this, combined with parents who I do not think would be supportive.

My priority was, and I guess it still is moving away from my parents first.

>>390444

>the 'get fit' meme is / always has been shit

>>390451

Who are you quoting?

>>390346

um i have never taken hrt or anything of that sort. i dont really know much about it. but im scared of it. i have heard really bad things about it. like sterilization and increased balding + more. i dont know. maybe i shouldnt do it :(

>>390475

i guess thats true. i just wanted too check/ research on it more.

>>390476

It isn't "literal fucking jew shit", it has legitimate uses, i.e. for TRANSGENDER PEOPLE, but lately there's been a bunch of fucking cunts shilling HRT on 4chan and 8chan trying to get insecure naive people to start taking it to become cuter traps. Do your own research if you're curious this is not the place for it because you're only going to get shill propaganda or reactionary drivel.

>>390473

Does spending the rest of your life hooked to drugs sound appealing to you? Do you need nothing but autistic infographs filled with anime girls to give you a false sense of confidence to make you take life-ruining decisions? Are you mentally ill?

If so, then by all means get on HRT

>>390478

>>390479

I DONT KNOW ANYMORE. i just dont take it. it seems bad

You should only take hrt if you want to transition into a female, otherwise there's no point and anyone who tells you differently aren't right in the head.

Why do you think transgenders have to go through a psychological evaluation to prove that they're the opposite gender before they're allowed to start the treatment?

It's because it's not something to fuck around with.

>>390473

>>390476

Sterilization is definitely a possibility. It can happen, it can not happen, there's no definite saying. Even after multiple years and even on the strongest of common anti-androgens (cypro), people are reported to have recovered reproduction abilities.

What people do who want to be sure is that have their sperm frozen before starting HRT.

Increased balding? For the great majority of people that I am aware of, HRT actually prevents balding from happening.

Don't listen to the others, they basically have no clue what they're talking about and have said so multiple times.

>>390490

im still afraid. there so much too it :(

>>390486

>transgenders

transgender is an adjective, not a noun.

Secondly, transgender is officially defined as 1. people who identify with the opposite gender (male-to-female, female-to-male) 2. people who identify as in-between genders / third gender.

That's the official definition used by therapists and doctors. It's in their textbook

>>390494

Take your time.

Don't be afraid to talk about it with a doctor. That's their job. Just say that you would like to be information about this issue. There's nothing to be ashamed of.

They hear and see all sorts of weird stuff everyday.

If you are unsure whether your family will be accepting, then take some precautions, but medical secret should exist in your country and also apply to you.

>>390497

thanks for the advice :)

i will take my time for now.

>>390493

Falsetto is a good starting point. At least I think that's what I'm doing is called. It's hard to explain but basically I try to imitate some girl that's maybe over excited (just to reach higher frequencies)… this sounds fake ah, but is a good starting point. Then I speak and speak in that 'place'/voice and try to modulate it a little… but I find what helps the most is speaking for prolonged periods… it's exhausting, but because it is, you fall into a more natural range that's more sustainable.

This is very unscientific. There are youtube videos out there on this that are probably much better than this. But the more you talk in that voice, the better you get.

>>390501

>If you post something negative here, you will be banned.

Learn to read.

>>390506

>Muh conspiracy

>>390510

You're just a hypocrite

>>390504

>"resurrected"

>cancerous new users

>no other threads even come close to the amount of sages and "shit"posting

Dead board > tranny board. Good bait though, 7/10.

>>390512

Enjoy your dead board then

>>390514

I will. Can you fuck off now?

>>390517

I was talking about /cutebois/

>>390504

>250 posts of shitposting and retards samefagging to pretend there's more than 3 of them

>resurrected the board

Kek the audacity of these dipshits

>>390520

>>390519

>>390517

>>390501

>call people samefag while obviously samefagging on the same thread for hours

>>390516

>admitting the only thing keeping these threads alive is the drama and actual discussion means nothing

You might think you are really clever, but you are not at all.

>>390521

pure psychopath projection.

>>390518

Nobody cares about that board, it never had a chance and only like 4 people post there. How about you fuck off from here instead, go to /trans/, /traps/, /hrt/ or just back to /lgbt/ where you belong.

>>390521

Only actual retards bring up samefagging (yeah that applies to the other idiot too).

>admin claims these threads are on the chopping board too if they keep forcing drama and shitposting

>trannies proceed to force drama and shitpost

How long until they lose this safe space and resort to spamming this board as well?

There's another spam raid going on /cutebois/ at the exact same time this smug retard comes to post here. Quite a (((mysterious coincidence))) wouldn't you say? Surely admin will also find no issue with any of this again.

>>390526

I wonder which retarded discord server they're from.

>>390525

The drama comes from responding to shitposting spammers.

I've grown very tired of the spamming shitposters, but I've also grown tired of people responding to them instead of just reporting it.

>>390524

>Nobody cares about that board, it never had a chance and only like 4 people post there. How about you fuck off from here instead, go to /trans/, /traps/, /hrt/ or just back to /lgbt/ where you belong.

1. /cutebois/ is 100% a porn board now. I have nothing much to say other than there's no discussion there other than trans hate in the meta thread

2. /tttt/ is the actual board, and that's basically a dead board with one post a week.

3. /traps/ is a porn board 100% and there's no discussion there

4. /lgbt/ is actually more dead on 8chan than /tttt/ though I should say that 4chan /lgbt/ is probably the most active place. That said, that board on that site is not the greatest board in the first place due to how it's populated by a lot of trolls and also weird janitors who enforce unwritten rules.

>>390527

I've been here long LONG before you. Just trust me on that.

>>390530

>"if you think it's bait, don't take it."

>proceed to take the bait himself for 4 threads

Truly the highest of IQs

>>390532

>"if you think it's bait, don't take it."

That goes for people who are upset about it and come here because they are upset. Basic reading abilities.

>>390529

Meant 4chan's /lgbt/, it's mostly trans stuff and very friendly, those trolls/janitors are surely better than what's going on here, right? It's useless to report the trans shitposts, it's "their thread" and not even the most obvious "lol enjoy your ban transphobic shitters" posts get deleted. Even if admin purges most of the sage posts at least there's visible and constant opposition.

>>390530

I see a clear violation of your sacred rule #1 if I click on the cataloge. Oh no!

>omg there's a hrt thread in my /cb/, let me show everyone how much I dislike it while I don't feed up the others threads that are interesting to me

Just hide the fuck up, stop spamming and, if there's an idiot raiding your others threads, report him. It works, despite how impossible it looks like.

>>390531

>I am such an oldfag trust me

exdee. Thanks for confirming you are discord retards, not that it wasn't obvious. Enjoying your little ebin raid servers and troll friends?

>>390535

>report him

Actually that barely works because admin shows up twice a week and is still too autistic to appoint vols

>>390406

Are you the guy who said the thing about going to the job interview?

>>390537

It takes a day or two, but still works. Truth was said, sadly.

>>390538

Yep, I ended up getting the job too!

>>390550

>homosexuality is a mental illness

Yikes anon

>>390570

>I'll post about how gay people are mentally ill on a gay board

Suuuuper yikes :'(

you belong on lgbt, please stop trying to manipulate the vulnerable

>>390568

>>390568

>yikes

>retards complaining about spam after they spammed an entire board

This is really funny to me.

>>390577

The quiets should pays for the shitters? I don't think so. Even when the spam shouldn't exist in first place, the BO can configure the board to make it raidproof. The same goes for this thread.

>>390578

If the BO here wasn't a gibbering ape, he would just make this one thread cyclical and never look at it again and the entire issue would resolve itself.

Sadly even this is beyond his capacity.

>>390577

They?

That was one person.

Meanwhile you've been spamming this thread from day one, so stop trying to make excuses.

>>390573

LMAO nobody cares what you think

>>390568

p-post pics?

>>390641

My bf doesn't really like me posting pics sorry :(

>>390572

I'm not trying to manipulate anyone sorry. Hrt had a bunch of side effects so obviously don't take it if youre not 100% sure it's for you, it's not magic that makes you cute and happy sadly

It's been good for me but it won't be like that for everyone, hopefully nobody gets manipulated into taking it because they feel like they need it to be cute or something

>>390346

why was the previous thread deleted?

>>390663

"One thread at a time"

I'm guessing that since each thread reaches a bump limit, it gets discarded, and BO deletes the last thread.

>>390482

>you are either male, or female. there are no 128 genders or whatever how many you think there are. go fuck off.

Lmfao FTM and MTF people do not claim to be anything besides "male" or "female", you are so fucking clueless about what you hate so passionately

>>390672

I disagree. The entire concept behind being transgender is that there isn't a biological "maleness" or "femaleness" but that these are culturally constructed and that it's possible to have a different gender from your birth sex.

Of course it should be important to acknowledge that there is the biological male and the biological female, and that transgender people can't escape these facts. Something that often gets ignored is the biological intersex, which defies these norms entirely naturally.

Being gender non-conforming (and I think being trans is gender non-conforming) is a form of cultural intersex. You're not adhering to the expectations that are put on you for acting, presenting and identifying as your biological sex. Instead, you're the opposite, or somewhere in the middle.

>>390540

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>>390546

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>>390548

>>390549

>>390550

Fuck off back to >>>/pol/

>>390354

Dead board

kys retard

>>390711

>>>/leftypol/

OP please next time do not start this thread again without including the rules : only one HRT thread at a time.

as a hypothetical

How much of HRT is governed by genes? If my closest female relations are hideously ugly would it be less likely that i'd look pretty or attractive as a HRT female?

>>390808

HRT is meant for people on the transgender spectrum (either binary or non-binary). Weak bait tbh

>>390810

I have been struggling with myself for a while, and really would like to transition

but my fear is that I'll be ugly after hormone treatments it's probably not going to stop me from doing it eventually, but the fear has been on my mind about being ugly with it for quite some time

>>390807

>How much of HRT is governed by genes?

Typically speaking, it would mostly be fat distribution and breast growth that would be affected by genes. Typically speaking, you would end up close to your mother, but I've heard that looking closer to a sister is more common. If you have a sister, you will probably end up with one breast cup size less than her, as well as probably similar far distribution patterns. If you don't have a sister, your guide to what you might get will have to be based on your mother.

Since genetic expression will be caused by HRT, you will still have the genes for feminine traits, they just might not be expressed due to low levels of estrogen (which would change under HRT).

If your female relations are ugly, well, that's not necessarily going to be true of you. But if your mother and sister ended up flat chested, then you're probably going to be out of luck there. Meanwhile, if they ended up rather voluptuous, there's a good chance that you're going to end up in a somewhat watered down form.

>>390825

>you will probably end up with one breast cup size less than her

Isn't that a meme though? People would apparently say that constantly years ago.

>>390830

It's generally speaking the expectations you should have. It's semi-meme worthy, because people can get worse or better results. There is no clear way to tell what results someone will get until, well, they happen.

As said, it's best to keep your expectations at around one breast cup size less than your closest female relatives, because that's the most likely outcome.

>>390825

I sort of meant facially

If facially I'll resemble my mother/theoretical sisters?

>>390851

I would be weary of these generalizations.

You will look like the female version you.

>>390917

estrofem is better

>>390950

estrofem is the brand name of estradiol, which is an estrogen.

Progesterone is a progestogen.

Progesterone is sometimes added, to either enhance breast growth or/and libido.

Some say it does nothing, while others rave about it. Doctors seem also to be conflicted about it, with some feeling it's added risk for little return value.

>>390950

Estrofem is just a brand name for estradiol its a totally different thing to progesterone

>>390917

I think I'm gonna ask my doctor about starting progesterone soon and see if it does anything. I've heard so many conflicting stories about it

>>390961

>>390969

i know, that's why i said estrofem is better.

especially because i don't want huge cone tit boobs. my boobs are nice and small and round.

>>390972

Yeah I've been on Cypro for 8 months or so I totally forget it does that thanks for reminding me haha

My libido came back after I was on Cypro for a few months so hopefully yours comes back too.

>>390977

spiro is weak sauce tbh, it's an OK anti-androgen to start things off with if you're unsure because it's so widely prescribed or if you're unsupervised.

if your libido is "pretty epic" I'm going to assume it's because it's actually not suppressing testosterone to within female range.

>>390980

my testosterone levels are <1

>>390981

it's only started becoming pretty epic in the last 3 weeks or so. I've started hrt again since february (after a hiatus of about 4 months). I can get hard, but I don't really masturbate. The last time I did though, last week, the sensation of cumming was completely different. For one, it was dry (might have had to drink more water), and it was also quite frequent. I didn't have to edge anymore, I could just go on for 90 minutes.

>>390982

Firstly, congrats on starting HRT again. So I guess you're very receptive to it. I remember reading a study focused on U.S. trans women and iirc the authors concluded that in some portion of the population spiro worked great and for the rest was unable to suppress t correctly/sufficiently. Dry orgasms are definitely a sign that testosterone is being suppressed.

Also, just so you know, women do have testosterone, it's not 0. "Testosterone levels in women vary. According to the University of Rochester Medical Center, normal measurements range from 15 to 70 ng/dL."

>>390982

If your t is low enough you shouldnt have any cum so that's a good sign! Spiro seems to work for some people and not work for others it's really weird

>>390987

>you shouldnt have any cum

clear cum without any white stuff in it is also a good indication + low volume

>>390993

honestly they just look like any early transitioner (16 - 20) that had semi-good looks to begin with

>>390994

can we talk about how child transitioners who were on puberty blockers (not the ones who went through puberty for a couple of years) can't achieve orgasm and almost always have a microdick?

not to mention the fact that they can't store their sperm, unless they stop hrt later in life anyway. it's such a waste to me.

>>391001

It's because they never had any DHT in their system.

DHT (dihydrotestosterone) is an androgen formed from testosterone and really only starts being produced during puberty.

DHT is responsible for 3 primary things. DHT will cause genital growth, which also involves the dropping of the testicles from the inguinal canals, as well as the growth of the penis. DHT also will cause vellus hairs to become terminal hairs, causing tiny hairs which are clear to darken, grow out and turn into facial or body hair. Finally, DHT will attach to hair follicles and cause the hairline to receed and develop into male pattern baldness.

You can see this more with FtMs on HRT, since you will notice how they will develop acne, a lot of facial and body hair, and if you've seen it, their clitoris will start to grow into a microphallus.

>>391006

Can't they just apply this to child transitioners and monitor their values and the way their body responds? Making sure they don't get major beard growth, things like that.

>>391007

As far as I can tell, there is not clear way to provide a dose of DHT to enable genital growth, plus there would be the ethical problem, how does one deal with the possibility of "growing" a pre-pubescent trans girl's genitals.

Let's assume that it would cause severe genital dysphoria, would that be ethical? Now, the alternative is to let it be a micropenis, but that still has a few issues attached.

I don't think there is really any decent option here in any case, because one option is pretty unethical, at least from the standpoint of medicine, and the other isn't great, but I mean, at least you can't be sued.

>>391008

This is why I'm really iffy on child transitioners. I understand that dysphoria is a real thing in children and that a strong sense of gender identity can develop at a very young age, but I don't think messing with the hormone system of someone from the age of <12 is a good idea.

>>391012

I get it, but I just wonder about the kids that aren't that certain about that. Especially the push towards SRS most gender clinics pursue makes me wonder about the amount of regret that's undocumented.

>>391034

I would say that the issue of pushing SRS on trans people is more of a general problem overall, especially in places which are far more gatekeepy about HRT and whatever.

I've heard of places where they will ask you if you want SRS and if you say "no", they might either decide you're not trans or might gatekeep you for even longer.

I've also heard reports of some trans women being told "why did you transition" when they later say that they don't want SRS.

I honestly have no idea why this has become such a point in places, mostly in Europe, where gatekeeping is far more of a thing, but I would say that the decision for surgery really depends on the person.

>>391036

this is why i self-med. the bureaucracy is so fucking stupid.

on the other hand, the way they give out hrt like candy in the US is more problematic in my opinion. Trans people need guidance, and at least Europe gives it to them

>>391039

I've been in this clinic for more than 2 years now. They still don't want to give me hrt even though I'm full-time and I self-med. It's actually retarded.

They're underfunded though and are really terrified of false positives. They prefer false negatives and gatekeeping for that reason.

One of my psychologists who used to work at the VUmc told me that the funding situation is so bad because gender psychology doesn't get taken seriously by doctors, because they want specific medical data in order to treat people. It's why once you're greenlit, you basically don't have to worry about impressing anyone at that clinic anymore. You're just a patient with a hormone problem at that point.

>>391046

That sounds about as bad as the experience I had in the UK jesus. Why is Europe so awful with this stuff?

Can you get anyone to give you blood tests while you're self medding at least?

>>391039

>tfw everyone here willingly sterilizes themselves

:^)

>>391053

Yeah, I get my general practitioner to refer me to our local hospital where I can take my hormone levels and some other mineral levels that are affected by spiro. I really don't need the gender clinic at all tbh. I'm only going to use it to change my name.

Does anyone get weird looks in public after being on hrt a while?

>>391046

I also remember reading about there being two main clinics : VUmc, Stepwork (not sure what this is) and another maybe. 2 seems like not a lot for a big country…

Afaik VUmc has a 1 year waiting list and some bullshit retrograde "real life experience" rule. Stepwork is supposed to be faster, but no clue honestly

I'm sorry you're going through that. Your experience is in line with what I've read about the Netherlands… and 3 year wait times for some… Sad! NL NO!

The thing to do as a general rule is always to start with the official route as soon as possible and self-med on the side with the help of a doctor who does blood tests.

>>391159

whenever somebody stares at me and I notice I just smile at them. Usually they'll either smile back or look away. If they look angry then they probably think you're a freak, but that happens very rarely to me

How do you deal with envy?

I started crying a bit after browsing some pictures of trans girls getting some great progress done, and I just felt envy over how they were able to get so far, and yet here I am being a disgusting thing.

I know this envy can turn into bitterness, but how do you deal with it?

>>391164

turn it into motivation to improve yourself

>>390371

>>390371

>blood tests to check kidney and liver health

This is my biggest concern. My grandfather had liver disease (from syphilis) and my mum had fatty liver and died from liver cancer. It's possible I might not be able to transition even though I want to.

>>391180

Make sure you talk to your doctor then anon. I'm sure there'll be other options for you that you can do safely

>>391180

spiro is less heavy on the liver, but more heavy on your kidney. you pick which one you think can take more of a beating

>>391184

>>391189

Good advice. My kidneys can do the heavy lifting. Lol. Thanks! :)

>>391165

That's also how I think about it.

>>391180

This is definitely something to talk about with a doctor!!

Don't self-diagnose, go talk about it with a doctor, that's the bottom line.

This being said cypro is known to have as "rare reaction" hepatotoxicity as a side-effect, which is to say liver damage.

You can read about it here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate#Rare_reactions

Please note that this is dose-dependent : the higher the dose, the more likely / severe afaik

Some doctors prescribe 50mg or even 100mg for HRT still, but that's total bullshit, they don't follow current standards.

These days I've heard of everything from 5mg, 10mg, 12,5mg and 25mg being used and that is in line with current research, which says that 25mg and possibly less is just as effective as higher doses in suppressing testosterone.

As a reference, keep in mind that people who have prostate cancer and use cypro (that's the non-HRT use of cypro btw) take daily doses of 200mg and upward!

You can read about that here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyproterone_acetate#Prostate_cancer

Spiro on the other hand is very widely prescribed (it's the only AA in use in the United States due to cypro not being approved by the FDA) not just for HRT, but for older men with high blood pressure iirc.

In any case, regular blood tests are vital!

- Once before starting (check liver, kidneys, minerals…)

- 3 month after starting to make sure shit is still good

- and then at some point this can be extended to every ~ 6 months

Spiro's main thing to watch out for is potassium, because it is a potassium-sparing drug (it retains potassium in your body?), and hyperkalemia (too much potassium) is potentially fatal. So is hypokalemia (not enough) afaik

This means cutting down (but not completely obviously) on foods very rich in potassium like potatoes, bananas, spicy things like chili peppers

>>391234

I'd change a few things with this:

Change the Cypro to 10-25mg - it comes in 50mg pills so half a pill is easy for most people)

Change the estradiol to 2mg-6mg - 4mg isn't enough for everyone

Include a note about sublingual estradiol being a possible roa

Show female hormone ranges for blood tests?

Also do you have a link to the studies showing loser Cypro doses being fine for t suppression? I'm on 12.5mg so I know anecdotally it works but my doctor still prescribes most people 50mg and says she hasn't seen the new research.

>>391240

Thanks a lot those are great suggestions. I will update this accordingly.

Little known fact perhpas, but cypro also comes in 10mg pills.

This is the study :

Title : "Is a lower dose of cyproterone acetate as effective at testosterone suppression in transgender women as higher doses?"

Author : Raymond Fung

Year : 2017

Journal : International Journal of Transgenderism

Volume : 18

Issue : 2

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15532739.2017.1290566?journalCode=wijt20

It's a must-read for any doctor. Please pass it on to yours.

No one - unless very unusual circumstances - should be on 50mg let alone 100mg! 25mg is the current UPPER range.

In the full version, the author says that there's a good possibility that even lower doses than 25mg should be sufficient, but more research is needed.

>>391240

I can add to your experience : 10mg cypro literally just totally nuked my testosterone in like a week lmao. 25mg would have been completely unnecessary and a complete waste and put me at risk of potential adverse effects for no good reason ; to say nothing of 50mg !!

The thing with cypro is the higher the dose the more the likelihood and severity of adverse effects (like liver damage, but also depression).

A good doctor should keep up with current research, and if they did, they would based on the article I linked to consider 25mg as the standard.

No one needs or should be on 50mg - unless some very specific circumstances made such a high dose necessary namely if a lower dose was not enough to bring testosterone levels within female range based on blood tests.

With people who are put on 50mg from the start, it's like : yeah it works, and they're understandably happy, but so might 25mg and so might 12,5 or 10 mg or even 5 mg! But you wouldn't know right because the doctor used a hammer instead of a knife.

>>391248

Basically this should answer all questions :

- Spiro vs Cypro (the age-old debate! it's a rite of passage, you have to go through it - except if you live in the US where you have no choice - for now at least)

- Why no one should be take more than 25mg cypro and probably should take less

- Why spiro is shit except in 25% cases where it's able to supress t

- Where to get informed consent in the US : biggest list of Planned Parenthood online!

>>391224

Thanks again. I plan on doing this the right way so I'll be sure to discuss it with them. :)

>>391242

Ah thanks for the study! None of the chemists in Australia seem to stock CPA in 10mg pills just the 50mg ones. I don't really mind though because 100 pills lasts me over a year if I'm taking 12.5mg

>>391288

Are that's cute anon, you must have a pretty girly frame if people are calling you a girl almost all the time lmao

One of the weirder things that people don't really talk ago it with hrt is that it changes how you smell and I think people can subconsciously pick up on that.

>>391304

Back to /pol/ you go

>>391309

>sage goes in all fields xd

Good joke fren

Cutting your balls off and keeping your dick is better anyway desu

>>391314

Before I "hatched", I really liked the idea of an orchiectomy, and I wished I could have a reason to get one.

I hate my testes, and I would much prefer to have them gone.

I was also keen on the urethrostomy, though that was more complicated to explain.

>>391316

I just want mine gone because they don't do anything and it'd be nice to never have to worry about testosterone if I can't afford hrt or something

>>391318

Does cutting your balls off count as mutilating yourself?

>>391327

Wow lucky! Its normally $40 for 50 here but the pharmacist gave me two bottles of 50 for the same price

It's honestly such a relief to have so many Cypro pills after being DIY for a while

>>391330

Yeah, I definitely feel the feels.

DIY is such a heavy weight to carry… always worried about running out, websites shutting down, payment methods changes, only certain countries allowed, out of stock, long delivery times with little overview, missed parcels, …

And the costs too. Was like 500+$ / year.

Never again!

>>391288

Lucky bugger. Lol.

>>391399

boners are fucking cool dude

the only thing i get bothered by is the brain fog, but i'm on a low dose so i don't notice it too badly.

best case would be an orchi, but who knows when i'll be able to afford something like that.

>>391428

>boners are fucking cool dude

I think the joke was that salt allegedly tastes better to those who use spiro, so the common meme was that trans girls liked eating pickled gurkins in brine, or something like that…

>>391419

The brunette in the middle is like pow.

>>391430

She's cis, or so I'm told. I've heard they're the gf of the one on the left, though I'm not sure.

The two on the left are definitely trans though.

>>391429

Yeah.

I mean, you're supposed to crave salt on spiro (which I'm going to guess is somehow related to its MO as a potassium-sparing diuretic and/or it causing electrolyte abnormalities as a common side effect)… which I'm not sure is a meme in itself or legit… but, in any case, hence pickles.

>>391430

>>391434

Ok, so I'll break this picture down.

Left to right :

1) ContraPoints

https://www.youtube.com/user/ContraPoints/

2) Chelsea Manning

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelsea_Manning

4) Riley Dennis

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVF8SAGEQnBA-yKM4iQNqfw

>>390749

Are you a bird? Are you an insect? Are you some sort of ground sloth/platypus hybrid? No? Then these arguments do not apply to you. You're human and are therefore bound to human biology. I sympathise, I really do. It must suck to want to be something you can never be. However at the end of the day barring fucked up mutation, it's only XX or XY. Human gender IS binary, deal with it.

>>391475

>not being to understand a simple argument

So, let's take a step backwards here and look at what happened.

Bigots and transphobes appeal to 'natural' arguments to refute transgender people, Anyone who knows even basic biology understands that this is not how it works. Nature has all sorts of variations.

Now, to you :

>ok, ok, i get it, i was wrong, nature doesn't work the way I thought but-but humans! humans are different. only two genders me understand. human!

What are intersex people?

What is Klinefelter syndrom?

How many other forms of 'chromosal androgyny' exist?

How many people are affected by these and others?

How does this relate to the many states of sex and gender found in nature?

Don't even try. Your brain is the only 'fucked up mutation' here.

>>391434

I figured from the boobs. Lol.

>>391456

I know Contra and Riley (not a fan) but couldn't place Chelsea.

>>391484

She looks good. I hope I can look as good as her. :)

>>391498

Sure, I don't see why not! As long as you're on HRT and ideally have a doctor to at least do blood tests with and make sure your hormone levels are within expected range.

As far as I know, Chelsea started HRT at age 27. If you're anywhere between 18 and 25 when starting HRT you'll most likely have really good results.

>>391522

You're the one who's not going to be tolerated here. In fact, I've reported you :

1. You have nothing to contribute to this thread except that you're upset about it. That's a ban right there already and gets you your post deleted.

2. You have no reason to be here : you're not trans, not questioning, not nothing.

Their experience is totally normal based on a review of all studies ever written in English on that subject, which is that gender transition improves the well-being of transitioners.

"We conducted a systematic literature review of all peer-reviewed articles published in English between 1991 and June 2017 that assess the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being. We identified 56 studies that consist of primary research on this topic, of which 52 (93%) found that gender transition improves the overall well-being of transgender people, while 4 (7%) report mixed or null findings. We found no studies concluding that gender transition causes overall harm. As an added resource, we separately include 17 additional studies that consist of literature reviews and practitioner guidelines."

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

>>391522

>unknown long term side effects

That could be said of any new medical treatment, except that in the case of hormones they've been approved by the FDA and European agencies and they've been since used on hundreds of millions of people.

You are aware, right, that HRT is not just for transgender people? And that, even beyond that, the medication has other uses and is widely prescribed?

Spironolactone is probably something someone in your family takes for high blood pressure while it's also commonly prescribed by dermatologists to girls or women who have acne.

Estrogen therapy is most likely something your mother, aunt, grandmother, will be, was or is on during menopause.

Furthermore, spironolactone has been around since 1959, so 60 years.

>>391234

You should add a line somewhere that it's important to start at the mininum dose and then take your blood levels after 1-2 months. If your blood levels are fine, you don't have to overmedicate. Also note that spiro doesn't work effectively on some people, for those they should switch to cypro.

>>391546

There's some clinics in Australia in other states that do informed consent too if you can be bothered to look them up. I'm pretty sure there's one in Melbourne at least

>>391541

>Also note that spiro doesn't work effectively on some people

Yes, that's the study published this year in February. It's included.

It shows that only 25% of trans women who are on spironolactone are able to reach female range while the rest afaik is either within low male range or no effect at all.

http://journals.aace.com/doi/10.4158/EP-2017-0116?code=aace-site

>>391549

>being a pisshon

>ever

>>391548

Yeah that's what I've heard as well, but couldn't find anything about other states outside Victoria.

Equinox is in Melbourne.

>>391551

spiro is weak sauce confirmed.

bump test

>>391620

Please don't make another thread

>>391551

stfu my levels are perfect on spiro

*and i can get boners*

>>391626

Where are you from?

I don't know many people who collect old games consoles as well as old DOS PCs.

>>391637

That's because they're a bit useless tbh and mostly for show-off's

The ps1 emulation present in mednafen is "more accurate than the original" kek while DOSBox is free software, thus inherently better than MS closed-source trash.

>>391626

Oh my god… Sega Mega Drive. ;)

Just kidding. Lookin' good hun.

>>391665

Why not use stuff like FreeDOS and whatever. As far as I know, FreeDOS is still getting software updates, and is also compatible with a lot of newer standards and whatever, while keeping the core aspect of MS-DOS, IBM DOS and OS/2 compatibility.

As for games preservation, I find myself in a weird position, since I like the idea of it, but for the most part, I would probably just get re-released versions, simply because they're much easier to deal with. Still, I find vintage things like this to be fascinating, and it's pretty cool.

>>391636

I get boners on Cypro just fine. Cypros just way better at stopping testosterone production for most people

>>391674

Oh, good stuff, I didn't know about FreeDOS.

I wonder what's best : FreeDOS in a vm or DOSBox.

>>391724

If you're running FreeDOS in a vm, you might as well just use DOSBox.

FreeDOS is meant to allow machines of varying ages to run the OS. That means that old IBM compatibles can run FreeDOS, but also the most recent gaming rig, can also run FreeDOS. A big reason why FreeDOS is still being updated, is because older DOS systems can't use WiFi, hard drives larger than 2GB in size, or RAM larger than something like 512MB. FreeDOS, IIRC, can run up to 8GB RAM (thanks to it being an x32 OS for compatibility reasons), but has support for new hard drive capacities and even SSDs.

>>391837

no

no

nothing

>>390346

can i use blockers and estrogen to look younger? I'm not trans, but I wanna look as young as I can for as long as I can.

>>391838

So what makes a "man" and what makes a "woman"?

I'm not a troll, or gender critical or any of that shit, but I'm struggling to clarify this for myself and come to a good conclusion.

Male and female are easy : males have male genitalia, females have female genitalia. Male and female as I understand them are sex-based, biological categories.

This is why there's been a shift from "male-to-female" and "transsexual" terminology to "trans woman". Because, transition is not just about genitalia or sex.

>>391855

Traditionally? A combination of things. First and foremost is biology, which went on to define the most basic roles back when we were living in caves. Humans have a very long and problematic gestation period, so women were basically forced to stay at home due to abismally low rates of kids surviving past childhood and performed other secondary tasks.

Meanwhile, male physiology was better fitted for hunting, gathering, whatever else. From this base everything else was sort of defined and evolved over time, however with the advances of medicine and other quality-of-life stuff, these roles have been gradually eroded until we reach the 21th century, where you are basically not restricted by these anymore.

We have the lowest child death rates ever, which means that having kids or not is less of an urgent necessity to continue your bloodline and more of an option that you take at your leisure, so essentially the foundation of gender roles is gone and the rest has collapsed or is soon to collapse.

The terms man and woman usually refer to these past archetypes, but there is no need to aggressively tear them down.

So, to answer your questions:

1. Gender is not a social construct, as it had a very solid basis from the get-go. The definition of a social construct is "a shared assumption about reality", but gender was never an assumption, it was a matter of fact for over thousands of years.

2. No, cultural deconstructivism is a stupid means of accelerating cultural change that never resulted in anything good. Changes happen naturally, you do not try to enforce them through activism or whatever else.

3. Once again, nothing. A decade or so from now it might mean that you can be a boy and present as a boy while going for a girlish aesthetic, maybe even through HRT. Which is something people already do, but is shunned.

>>391857

But isn't the "shared assumption about reality" that :

- Women wear skirts and dresses and men do not.

- Girls wear pink and boys blue.

- Women wear make-up and men not.

- Men can have visible facial hair and women not.

- Some hygiene products are for women and some for men.

- Certain perfumes are for women and some for men.

Seems like a lot is constructed.

>>391854

If you're not trans of some kind (binary or non-binary), you shouldn't be on HRT.

HRT carries health risks like any course of medication. Besides this, breasts growth and loss of libido / penile function are likely as is becoming infertile.

>>391854

People usually say it makes them look younger but thats because it softens their skin and makes them look more feminine. It won't magically make you younger or stop aging, proper diet and skincare is probably much better for that

Also you grow tits and go sterile so definitely don't take hrt if you don't want that

>>391858

All of those are rules for appearing more desirable to the opposite gender based on tastes that humans have evolved to have. Our brains equate being more traditionally attractive to being a better mate.

In terms of nature vs. nurture, this is about as far away from "social construct" as you can get.

I don't wanna become transgender, grow tits or get an useless penis but I do want a softer skin, better hair and a bigger ass. What should I take?

Its been almost two years of hrt, if I dont look a girl now theres still hope haha r-right?!?

>>391934

>softer skin

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkincareAddiction/ is good to check out. A proper skin care routine probably helps more than estrogen also wear your heckin sunscreen.

>better hair

I think that depends on your type of hair but conditioner always helps.

> bigger ass

uhh, maybe squats and lunges idk about this one.

Stay away from any feminizing meds unless your happy with everything that comes with them.

>>391967

Umm I think my levels have been okay for the last year or so, I started Spiro in addition to 6mg e a few months ago because my test was p. high.

>Other things besides hrt

I don't think so

>What parts of your body do you feel hinder you the most from passing? Hair? Facial hair?

Probably not, it's pretty shitty facial hair that is pretty hard to see clean shaven.

I think it might be facial features but they all look pretty bad to me, maybe my thin ass lips or tall forehead are the worst.

>>391665

>free software, thus inherently better than MS closed-source trash.

HOT

>>391986

Having a doctor made almost no difference to me. All it does it let me get my hrt through a pharmacy without having to go online

>>391980

spiro might not be working on you, there have been recent studies that like 50% of the male to female population doesn't react to it properly like an anti-androgen. Try cypro instead.

>>391986

>Something leads me to believe you're actually not doing this supervised

I was/am I even got a letter from a therapists saying I have gender dysphoria.

Doctors suck, I was given oral estrogen with no aa for about 1 1/2 years of my "transistion" for the first seven months my test levels didnt even leave male range :^)

I only started taking spiro in the last few months because I asked(I did at the very beginning as well but the doctor didnt want me to).

I fugged up my last blood tests by having them done at a regular hospital, I dont think they knew what to do with it and I was never billed.

My last blood test is from a year ago and my levels were kinda bad(test slightly higher than anywhere I'd seen online and estrogen on the low end) but now im taking 200mg spiro ontop of what I was taking then.

>FFS

I've been saving

>>392042

cypro isnt in the us and I have boobs, its just that I have manface and wild sholders ;_;

I should just go back to therapy and try and accept what I have

>>392080

As someone who can empathize with your situation : you really need to get your shit together and act fast.

Blood tests, even when spaced out as much as possible after a year or so of having stabilized hormonal levels, should be done every 6 months at the very least.

And, here, that stage is nowhere close to having been reached because you've pretty much never achieved female range reliably ever from what you're writing.

No joke you've experienced poor or underwhelming results. You haven't really been on proper HRT.

HRT - whatever the regimen - is whatever medication or combination thereof that brings you within female range (<80 ng/dl testosterone and >150 pg/ml estrogen).

In the US, HRT is typically 200mg spiro with 4mg estro. And, then, depending on blood test results, the doctor will adjust if necessary, keep in mind spiro is weak.

If your doctor isn't doing any of this, which apparently he isn't because you should have never been for so long without blood tests or an anti-androgen considering past blood tests from over a year ago were bad, you need to go for a second opinion.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ Here just make an appointment with the closest clinic that does HRT. Don't let this go on like this. Or go to some other doctor.

Tfw to old to transition, and even if you weren't you would become homeless

>>392161

>tfw young enough but too poor

>>392044

>that makeup

>those eyes

>liquor?

god dammit i have the worst types

ram it in my ass, alcoholic dommy mommy

>>392134

i always have trouble believing this. how does this happen?

>>392162

Have you tried Planned Parenthood? Their motto and mission is something like "Health care no matter what".

I read that they adapt the costs to the economic abilities of the patient and specifically with relation to HRT, someone was saying that they paid 20$/month for their HRT so I'm guessing they set up a payment plan or something.

I don't want you to get in trouble with loans and such, but you should go to a clinic near you and explain your situation ("I'm poor, have little money") and say you want to know what they can offer you in terms of having a free consultation (for HRT) and then taking it from there. It really can't hurt to try it, you have only to gain.

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/ (enter your state or city for a list of clinics)

>>392168

Either of those :

1. Parental consent. It should be transparent what this means : parents, acting as the child's legal guardians, sign the forms required for HRT, for instance for informed consent.

2. Mature minor doctrine. Starts at 15/16 (USA, Canada afaik but could apply elsewhere)

"The mature minor doctrine is a policy accepting that an unemancipated minor patient may possess the maturity to choose or reject a particular health care treatment, sometimes without the knowledge or agreement of parents, and should be permitted to do so."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mature_minor_doctrine

3. Self-medication

4. Emancipated minor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_of_minors

>>392134

20 ;_;

So if I just want to be a cute trap and not go full blown tranny, what would you suggest? bica + estrofem?

>>392250

So, to be perfectly honest, I have no experience and no knowledge whatsoever related to bica. Why? It's literally never come up at any point personally.

I'll also add again that it's very important for you to talk about this with a doctor. Self-medication is always the last step : it should never be the first.

It's sub-par compared with having a doctor, doing blood tests regularly, making sure your kidneys and liver are OK, adapting dosages and changing medication if necessary.

But, if I were you, I would make an appointment with Planned Parenthood or another informed consent clinic or a GP as long as your family circumstances permit.

>>392255

Would PP help me out if I just wanted to be cute? I figured I'd pretty much be on my own for that

>>392257

Well, in medical terms, this is how I read your post :

- "I'm non-binary."

- "I do not wish to become more masculine (in the future) (under any circumstances)."

- "I wish to be androgynous/feminine."

- "I cannot picture myself growing old as a man."

Do any of these statements, or some variations of them, apply to you?

Because, these are all perfectly valid. The official textbook definition of transgender includes both binary (trans woman, trans man) and non-binary.

Imo, there's nothing for you to lose by making an appointment with them and talking with a doctor. You really need to keep in mind, that that is their job.

But, I personally would avoid statements like "I just want to be cute", because that's unlikely to lead anywhere. If by cute you mean being androgynous/feminine then that is something they'll understand.

Think hard about this : there is a possibility you will be sterile and grow some small breasts (spiro is weak and is unlikely to give you anything big).

>>392257

That's basically what being nonbinary is, a friend of mine goes through PP for his hrt and he's in the same situation as you. He's taking Spiro and E though so it might not be exactly what you're after and you'll end up with boobs and probably go sterile

"I want to be cute" should never ever be a reason to take hormones. That's the actual mental illness line that should be treated with therapy and not drugs to reinforce it.

>>392265

Transgender is not a mental illness : the UN doesn't consider it as such.

Doesn't bump anymore.

>>392268

Indeed, HRT is for trans people because it is not a mental illness that can simply be cured with standard therapy.

"I want to be cute xd" is not transgender.

>>392283

That's something they'll find how if they go talk to a doctor.

When someone says they "want to be a cute trap and not go full blown tranny" that could read "I'm non-binary, not binary" except with a lack of information.

>>398069

Post your progress pls. I'm interested

>>398232

no fuck you

>>390749

Why are mutations that are actually in the category of transsexual under the biological definition of sex being used to justify psychological traits being accepted? The problem with pointing to "look at insects and people with genetic defects" still acknowledges that sex is innate, and not something that is just developed later in life as a social construct.

>>398835

Not recommended. Higher blood clot risk.

>>400463

>huge controversy to let this thread stay

>two months go without a single post in it

great that really paid off