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And yet manga volumes sell just fine. It's a real shame the MCu trash shows are so popular, otherwise these niggers would be forced to make better comics.

Comics must die so that out of the ashes less shit comics may rise, I support the death of the comics industry.

>>1051312

Films will not be popular for ever. Last time Marvel's cash cow died, they nearly died as well. As soon as their films' popularity will wane, Marvel will be fucked and Disney will only keep them on a bare minimum of life support.

>>1051314

Disney will fold them and license the comics to IDW/Dark Horse.

#GoWokeGoBroke

>>1051316

I don't think that applies in this case

Nice clickbait about a PR about fucking nothing Jude Terror.

>>1051312

So is the answer to make the US comic industry have high sales again just to copy the good stuff that manga does like being cheaper and bigger volumes with more story with B&W printing?

>>1051332

US society should be more oppressive to the point that entertainment passes from being a luxury to a necessity or at least I think thats the secret of manga success

>>1051332

Well DC seems to be heading in that direction with the expansion of their 100 page volumes. >>1004679

Maybe if they didn't turn the entire industry into a platform for activism, people would give them a break.

>>1051318

Attually it applies in this case. Comic shops were getting tired about unsold mud diversity sjw comics in their basements. Meanwhile euro comics are still doing well.

>>1051332

Either that, or be more like European comics. Focus on quality over quantity, have fewer books with better art and cardstock covers.

>>1051312

>manga volumes sell just fine

I've heard that isn't always the case. Better than the industry here, but there is a decline as it becomes easier to find them for free online.

>>1051316

Get punched incel

>>1051333

The problem with this is American normalfags won't become more intelligent, so there would just be ten times more demand for The Big Bang Theory.

They deserve it for decades of kikery with how they treated their creatives. Burn in hell Marvel.

They were warned but they didn't listen and attacked the people who were trying to salvage a dying industry. Did they think the Mouse was going to allow them to stay on financial life support without giving them more than ideas for their next Marvel cinematic movies? The current industry is dead and the shift will be toward indies, European comics, and manga is what I'm guessing. The remnants of big publishers will act like licenser's or publishing houses to those interested in the IP they hold or need something actually printed by whoever the most successfully kickstarted comic comes from without printing experience. Might go the way of the webcomics with a paywall to read it early and it goes free a few weeks later.

Shocking people dont want to buy traced google sketchup/clip studio art that looks like a 5 year old made it for $4.99 to $10.99 with 45 variants on a single issue and series that are turned into miniseries and relaunched with new overpriced number 1's every 6 months. Oh, and the fucking ink wipes off on your hands if you try and read the overpriced pieces of shit. It's like $500 to collect entire line of comics for Marvel now in a single month. 100+ pieces of shit per month. Not even toilet paper quality unless you want ink stained ass. You used to get the ENTIRE line of Marvel comics for about $40 a month. A paper route could pay for the entire thing nad have money left over afterwards.

First thing they need to do is stop putting out a million variants a month. Like 60% of the fucking SKUs are variants. Comic shops have to buy dozens of unsellable trash to get the variants people actually want to buy. Saying 'dont buy them hurr durr' isnt the answer. People want Jim Lee variants or chromium covers or whatever gimmick they have going that month. If the shop doesnt have it, they will buy online or elsewhere.

They then need to go back to newsprint and get rid of the digital coloring trash they have now. These people played with photoshop for a few hours and have no idea how color theory works or how color reflects and everything is a muddy mess. Combined with shit paper and ink and you have the worst possible looking comics ever made. Go back to the limited pallet of newsprint era and force them to learn how to color properly and make use of limited pallets. The newsprint will last longer and reduce prices significantly. Comics will drop to $1.99 to 2.99 depending on how much profit they want/quality of writer/artist involved.

No one wants to pay $10 for a fucking anniversary issue. No one wants to pay $4 for a monthly or biweekly comic. No one wants to pay this much for trash quality both physically and in terms of artistic merit.

Finally, no one wants to pay for comics that insult them and have mary sues and social justice narratives. Heroes are heroes for a reason. Stop making them neurotic faggots that cry about their wife/girlfriend cucking them and going to therapists. Stop calling them nazis. Stop having entire issues about your fantasy to kill conservatives, like that Harly Quinn #56 issue few months back. Stop fucking stealing sitcom dialogue almost verbatim and having comic characters with permanent bendis speak tier dialogue with no discernible personalities and interchangable with who could be speaking. Not every fucking girl has to be best friends and emotionally validate each other. Women are the biggest bitches to each other, especially if they think the other one is prettier or better than them. Even the closest friends arent perfectly nice to each other 100% of the time. Its like some fucked up horror movie stepford wives crazy world.

>>1051372

>rely on gimmick to survive rather than the quality of your product

A death well deserved.

>>1051372

>This crisis has been a long time coming.

I think this is underappreciated wisdom. Everyone talks about how hashtag activism is a cancer that destroys healthy industries, but I don't think that's the case.

See, back when shopping malls were still big, there was a trend. The mall itself would open, and everyone would hype for it, sending floods of dollars into the mall. Over time, the hype would die off, economic circumstances would change, fads would come and go, and the mall would slowly decline. But one thing would always happen, no matter what: right as the mall was about to really go downhill, a BackToAfrica/BlackPower/WeWuzKangs store would open up.

In vidya, right as the CoD trend started to die away and people realized that the entire industry had banked on the FPS bandwagon, we saw an explosion of identity politics and PC culture pop up.

When did MeToo take over Hollywood? Oh, right about when Harvey Weinstein lost his mojo and couldn't artificially pump the Oscar numbers anymore, meaning Hollywood couldn't use the Academy Awards as some kind of backasswards advertising budget.

Healthy industries don't care about your politics. When shrieking bluehairs and oogabooga dindus come around with their hands out, healthy industries patronizingly pat them on the head and send them on their way. Because healthy industries have the money and the confidence to ignore this cancer. But flagging industries don't. They have to cater to every market they possibly can, even if it means kowtowing to hateful idiots.

Social justice isn't a cause; it's a symptom.

>>1051489

no one believes they are shutting down. they ARE letting the NY lease go and moving out west to join rest of Disney. they are going to cut huge numbers of jobs and positions. it is highly likely the work they are doing with IDW right now is a test for future farming out of IPs, similar to how they stopped in house game development and are only farming out IPs for game licenses at Disney.

>>1051489

When Rich Johnston isn't lying, he's saying things he thinks are true that very clearly aren't.

>>1051314

>Last time Marvel's cash cow died

Which one?

>>1051399

>Not every fucking girl has to be best friends and emotionally validate each other. Women are the biggest bitches to each other, especially if they think the other one is prettier or better than them.

You know, this reminds me of this trend across various media and fandoms (not just comics) where having girls be at each other's throats, especially if it's over someone male, even if not in a romantic/sexual context, is considered sexiss and muh-soggy-knees. Two examples I can immediately think of is The Legend of Korra, where Asami is always pissed at Mako whenever Korra sexually assaults him while always going "muh innocent Korra dindu nuffin" and Riverdale, where the writers specifically ditched Archie/Betty/Veronica love triangle because people were calling it out for being "traditionalist muh-soggy-knee" plus rabid teenage fangirls going nuts over their favorite ships. Despite fandoms aimed at women being the perfect example of how much girls can jump at each other's throats over FICTIONAL romantic stuff, much less shit that occurs in real life.

>>1051372

>The frighting thing is that all the sjw shit wasn't activism or propaganda, but a desperate attempt to save the comic book industry.

It was another in a long line of moronic decisions in the comic book industry. The boys and teenagers that the industry was built on never went anywhere. The comic industry lost access to them. Instead of trying to regain access to the demographic that made them, they foolishly sought out demographics that never had anything more than a minimal interest.

>This crisis has been a long time coming. We've known since at least the 2000's that this was going to happen.

Much longer than that anon. Someone smart could of seen this coming at the advent of the direct market. Shooter saw it. I believe in the mid to late 70's newsstands didn't want to hassle with comics for some reason. The decline in the newsstand helped spur the direct market. The newsstand wouldn't truly die until the early 90's. What Shooter recognized was that while the direct market picked up lost sales it gave up the ease of access to new readers. They never found a reliable way to refresh the customer base.

Somewhere along the way the industry became aware of how lucrative the collector was. Instead of getting new readers, they started attracting collectors. No one had the foresight to see that shifting a large focus of the industry to collectors would create a bubble and was only a short term injection to cash flow. The bubble popped in the 90's and the collector dollars dried up. The idiots never learned and are doing the same shit today with variant covers. The key take away is that the reader is always more important than the collector. The readers are who make the characters and stories truly important. If you keep the readers and therefore interest, you'll always have a subculture of collecting and speculating.

There were other events and signs before the 2000's. The Heroes World debacle making Diamond the only game for distribution. The direct market having no returnability, thus leaving retailers holding much more economic burden for failing series. The over reliance on "events" since the 90's.

>>1051313

Comics started becoming worthless shells in the early 1990s, when the habit of 3-5 cells per page, with nothing happening apart from the character standing in the rain in a series of indistinguishable close-ups, and after two pages he says one word in isolation and you realise that was the week's adventure done. Find out next week if the character can say a single sentence or do anything at all.

Before that, in what had become "untrendy", each cell was used for something, dialogue and action moved the story forward instead of moody lighting, and the stories were typically concluded within the same issue unless they were a special or important story arc.

Style over substance and the ego of the illustrator did a lot to add to the decline. Price reaching ridiculous levels is another factor. They used to cost the price of a comic, not a magazine.

>>1051350

almost like they want to encircle russia, what a coincidence

>>1051399

>>1051678

Sounds like what we need is a story with what looks a love triangle (like Archie/Betty/Veronica) but instead has the 3 (and the rest of their community) have indecision and fighting over fictional shipping of a in universe show that they all like.

Or would that be called out for being meta-misogyny?

>>1051764

>Heroes World debacle making Diamond the only game for distribution

That's one I don't see mentioned often. Care to elaborate?

>>1051869

In 1994 Marvel bought Heroes World distribution to be the sole distributor of their comics. At the time Heroes World was the third largest distributor behind Diamond and Capital City. With Marvel leaving this took 35-40% of the other distributors business away. It was a shitshow for Marvel from the get go. Heroes World wasn't big enough to handle all of Marvel. On top of the errors and delays many retailers saw an increase in their freight bill and a reduction in their volume discount because now they were placing two orders. The other distributors were dying because the massive loss in revenue. Diamond and Capital City were trying to stay afloat by becoming the exclusive distributor for all other publishers. Diamond won that battle. The Heroes World experiment was ended in 1997 leaving Diamond the sole survivor. This was all happening as the speculator bubble burst.

Now Diamond has a monoply on distribution and only the holder of the monoply benefits. This also created a large weak point in the industry. Distribution can no longer consolidate and if distribution were to fail the industry, as we know it, fails completely. In the event Marvel or DC dies I don't know if Diamond could restructure their business to withstand the loss of revenue. This single point of weakness ties the industry together in a death pact.

>>1051882

Heroes was big enough to handle it. Diamond has other contacts beyond comics that helped them destroy Heroes and Marvel for trying to break their stranglehold. The same thing happened to CrossGen Comics when they all the big book stores magically stopped stocking their product, despite the massive success of them in the trade market. CGC basically made the trade format we have today with 6 issue arcs into trades coming out like clockwork, etc. They had entire library online for digital for a $1 a month before anyone even thought about doing digital comics. Diamond and people they are aligned with did not like this either (the fact they were being bypassed for profits) and punished them with outside influences.

Blaming Marvel or Heroes for the failure ignores the actual reasons for the delays, errors, freight bills, discounts, etc. Fun fact, DC and Marvel made over a $1 more in profit - not revenue, PROFIT - off every book compared to CrossGen and CGC never had a late title and ran like clockwork and tried everything to get discounts and deals through, but always refused).

>>1051888

What the fuck are you talking about? Please cite some sources. Everything I said was either public data or from reliable sources like the owner of mile high comics. What the hell does crossgen have to with anything?

>>1051315

>Dark Horse

I hope they get better. They've put out a lot of good stuff so it's sad to see them decline.

>>1051600

I guess he's referring to the 90's with the collectible stuff made for the collector crowd.

>>1051291

>"fight for survival"

<"Have you guys tried firing all the retards and banning twitter accounts for staff members?"

"REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"

>>1051566

>inb4 Ben is forced to contend with the Yancy Beach Gang.

>>1051355

Yo I don't post on co much but is this type of shit common opinion? Are you guys just 4co again?

>>1053388

Not really, but we get a lot of pod people trying to fit in by parroting 4chan tropes, a few bicoastal types who forget where they are, and some ironic shitposting.