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 No.6557

Sup guys, I picked up baking as a hobby a while ago. Basically I've been floating from cakes to scones and whatever suits my larder at the time, but I'm having trouble making a decent chiffon cake because I can't get the egg white to stiffen enough.

Baking tips for noobs, please?

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 No.6561

make sure your bowl and whisk or eggbeater are COMPLETELY squeaky clean, and have zero fat/grease on them whatsoever. that interferes with the egg stiffening.

cream of tartar is useful for whipping egg whites to stiffness.

when you are combining the ingredients make sure you use a paddle and fold in gently without overmixing so that you don't crush the aerated egg whites.

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 No.6563

>>6561

Yeah, the folding part is tricky too. Normally the batter gets pretty heavy and crushes out the air.

Would more baking powder help if I can't get a good stiffness going?

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 No.6567

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So, how okay is /ck/ with blogposting? I bake every week and I'd like to share photos of what I do. It also gives me an excuse to make the bakes more presentable.

Raisin and blueberry tart topped with a cherry in pictured. The filling isn't as sweet as I'd like it to be, but the crust is nicely crumbly.

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 No.6574

>>6567

I would be interested. Would also like the accomapnying recipes whenever you feel like it.

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 No.6578

>>6574

Seconding.

>>6567

Is that sugar on top? Looks weird to me.

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 No.6579

>>6567

Go on right ahead, it encourages me to try out what you've cooked up.

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 No.6581

>>6574

Sure, I'll post it when I get home and format it properly.

>>6578

Yeah, icing sugar. Trying to put it on by taking a spoonful and tapping it over the tarts was a mistake.

>>6579

I mostly do simple recipes just to see if I can, like the chiffon cake thing but you'll see some good stuff every now and then.

Looking into making Malay kueh soonish, but I just recieved a jar of candied pineapple to play around with.

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 No.6585

Alright, here we go.

Fruit Tart

Serves 12 when baked in muffin tray.

Ingredients for crust:

300g plain flour

150g butter

2 egg yolks

1/2 tsp baking powder

dash of salt

dash of milk

Remember to let the butter melt for an hour or two, and let the eggs warm to room temp.

Mix butter with flour, baking powder, salt.

Add egg yolks and knead.

Add milk, mix into dough. Dough should be soft, but not sticky.

At this point you can add in additional stuff like seeds or fruit skin.

Cover with cling wrap and refrigerate for 30min.

(Use additional two egg yolks for glazing if desired by brushing it onto the muffin tray and tart crust before baking.)

Pre-heat oven to 200 Celsius. Use a little butter to coat tray.

(Protip: I usually use the butter wrap when I use the whole stick,

like in this case.

Ingredients for filling:

Honestly use whatever you want.

I used raisins and dried blueberries, soaked in milk and brought to a boil and with 50g of butter and 100g of flour, bing cherry syrup and a dash of sugar, but even then it wasn't sweet enough for my taste.

I also had a lot of leftover after this, so adjust accordingly.

The crust is also well-suited for sweetmeats so I'll be giving meat stuffed ones a try someday.

Either way boil it until it becomes a soft dry mash.

Pinch the dough into inch-wide balls and stuff into muffin tray.

Each should be around 5mm thick, and if you're worried about the thickness of the base it's fine to pinch a little more to stuff in. Try not to exceed the muffin tray depth.

Spoon mixture in, it's fine to stack it above the height of the dough a little.

Bake for 15min at 200 Celsius or until slightly brown.

Remove from oven, wait for it to cool, then gently pry them out with a toothpick.

Decorate as you like. I used icing sugar and sliced a cherry into half as seen in the picture.

If you have a pie tin you can probably also use this to make pie.

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 No.6689

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Alright, I'm back.

This week I tried my hand at soda bread stuffed with jam. The flat bits on the side was an attempt at following the recipe strictly, and the buns was my next batch and an attempt at trying to pretty them up a bit.

It's a pretty simple recipe, but I will say I can't admit they're very tasty. If you're going to do something like this you might as well bake scones.

Soda Bread

Serves 6

Ingredients:

250g plain flour

1/2 teaspoon salt

1/2 teaspoon sodium bicarb

250ml milk (or as needed)

Some jam (optional)

Some seedmix for topping (optional)

2 eggs or 1 big egg

Preheat oven to 200 C, beat eggs and put aside.

Mix flour, sodium bicarb, salt in a bowl. Add the milk a little at a time, you should try to go for soft, not sticky.

If original recipe:

Flatten the dough to about 1cm thick, then cut into 6 even pieces. Slice each into half and smear with a thick layer of jam.

If buns:

Seperate the dough into 6 balls about 4-5cm wide each, then flatten. Smear a slab of jam in the middle and roll into a ball.

Press the seed mix into the top of the bread, then brush with egg. Bake for about 10-15min or until slightly brown.

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 No.6918

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I didn't manage to get my hands on alkaline water for that something special I had in mind, so here's a recipe for a basic bread loaf.

Basic Bread

For 1 loaf

Ingredients:

1.25 cups of water

2 tbsp of butter (more for taste)

5 tsp of sugar (more for taste)

1 tsp of salt

1 pack of baking yeast

400g of flour

Heat up the water. It should be warm, but you should be able to stick your finger into it comfortably.

Add the butter, sugar, salt and 1 tspn of flour, mix, then mix in the yeast. Set aside for 5min.

You might want to sift the flour at this point. I kinda regret not doing that since the bread turned out quite rough.

If your yeast has turned into some kind of pond scum looking mixture, good. If not, get new yeast.

Pour the yeast into the flour while kneading, a little at a time. If you have any additional ingredients you want to add, like raisins, add them in at this point. Keep kneading until the dough is nice and smooth.

Set in a bowl, cover with a damp cloth. Give it about 20min for it to double in size. Preheat your oven now to 180 Celsius.

Punch down the dough, shape into a bread shape, then set into a tin. Press seed mix onto the top if you want, then dump it into the oven for 40min or until you can tap the top of it and have a hollow sound.

Does anyone really have any interest in these?

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 No.6939

>>6567

You're okay. You aren't blogposting. Original Content is always permitted and encouraged. This why we are all here. It's the ten million ramen threads, the microwaveable foods and fast food/delivery food threads that people don't like. None of that garbage is Food or Cooking; It's heat and eat or dial and deliver; Not Food and Cooking.

/ck/ is bored to death of those other threads I mentioned. Please feel free to post your threads as long as you'd like. I welcome them and I'm sure others do as well.

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 No.6943

>>6939

Thanks, that's some welcome reassurance. Two weeks with no other posts other than mine is kinda harsh.

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 No.6970

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>>6918

>Undercooked,

>Underproofed

>Not kneaded properly

>Not shaped properly

>Baking yeast

>No sourdough

>No crust

>Butter

>Sugar

>Cake flour

>Dry raisins

This is not a bread, it's a cake flour stone.

Also, don't cut your bread while it is still warm, you ruin the flavor and the texture of everything that you don't eat right away.

If you want to eat warm bread make breadlings / bread rolls.

Bread has Bread Flour, Salt and Sourdough in it. Watch a couple of these:

https://www.youtube.com/NorthwestSourdough

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 No.6971

>>6970

I'm open to trying something else, but I'm working on a budget and I don't live in a place where the fancier baking stuff is particularly cheap.

Do you have a recipe or a specific video you can point out?

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 No.6973

>>6567

>how okay is /ck/ with blogposting?

Very

We're all essentially stay at home housewives for all intents and purposes of discussion

blog away nigga

Oh and here's a beastly recipe for chocolate chip cookies

5 flour

3 sugar

2 butter

2 eggs

2 chocolate chips

2 almonds

A tablespoon or so of baking soda

A middling serving's worth of vanilla sugar

Melt butter and whisk together with sugar, get it real damn fluffy

Mix in flour, baking soda and vanilla sugar, then add the eggs and get it all combined

At the end, mix in chocolate chips and almonds. Tiny marshmallows can be used instead of chocolate chips if so desired

Bake for 8-12 minutes at 175°c but never longer than what it takes for the very edges of the cookies begin turning brown, let cool on a wire rack under a towel. Failure to observe these past two steps will result in very hard cookies.

The above measures will give you about two full oven trays worth of cookies if using deciliters but all the ratios should be the same for imperial (except for the eggs).

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 No.6991

>>6970

Jesus Christ! San Fransisco, not every loaf of bread needs to be a sour dough. Give it a rest already.

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 No.6992

>>6991

He raises some good points. I got a pack of bread flour and I'll knead the dough a bit more this time, along with some other tricks and see how it goes.

That is, if I can't find the alkaline water tomorrow.

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 No.7019

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>spend two hours going from shop to shop asking for alkaline water

>finally find a shop which sells it

>it's out of stock

Ah well. Here's my newly attempted loaf. This guy >>6970 is right, the consistency turns out more like cake than bread, because I think, I use too much butter. But without it, the bread turns out really dry. Should I try with oil instead?

Also, please feel free to post more recipes.

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 No.7027

>>7019

The loaf in >>6918 looks very dense and wet, a combination of not rising enough and not cooking enough. It is 75% hydration (10oz water = 75% of 400g flour) which is at the high end already, even before adding 7% butter and 6% sugar. Lack of gluten from not using any strong flour could also be an issue. Probably the biggest thing is just putting it straight into the oven after putting it into the pan, without giving it time to rise again.

You should be able to make perfectly good bread with only flour, water, yeast, salt.

I usually bake bread using a starter/poolish (some yeast added to equal parts flour and water, and let to pre-ferment overnight) instead of using dry yeast directly, and just feed the starter more flour and water instead of making a new poolish every time. If your yeast is a big part of the cost of bread you might want to try this; I've baked for months at a time on about 1/4 tsp yeast in this way.

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 No.7030

>>7027

Yeast isn't a major cost. In all honesty the flour is more expensive than the yeast by far.

In both loaves I did leave them to rise after kneading, but I guess what you're saying is that I needed to give it more time?

Also, I don't think I can afford to let yeast ferment naturally since I live in a humid country and I don't want it growing everywhere. Is dry yeast and sugar my only other option?

I'm planning to try halving the water and swapping the butter with olive oil for the next one.

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 No.7036

>>7030

Usually you would leave dough to rise (proof) for some time after it's in its final form. Working it into the shape you want the loaf to be will knock some air out of it, so if you put it straight into the oven afterwards, the bread will be denser.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proofing_%28baking_technique%29

As far as yeast, I'm not an expert, but I don't think a sourdough starter is a risk for overrunning your kitchen, and dry yeast should work OK without any sugar.

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 No.7037

>>7019

Just mix in lye or baking soda

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 No.7046

>>7036

I don't get it. Leaving it to rise after kneading is proofing, right?

>>7037

Lye water is another name for alkaline water, which I can't get my fucking hands on for some reason.

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 No.7077

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You are bad for my nervous system, Anon.

A couple of Things:

>Use Bread Flour. That means no all purpose / pastry flour

Your bread is dry, because you use cake / pastry / all purpose flour. Pastry flour in particular is very dry and is not suited for bread.

>No Oil, No Butter

They burn at high temperatures and turn bitter. Look at your picture, i can smell the browned butter through the internet.

If you have to use butter, bake at a low temperature and use a form to help the dough rise and to decrease the area that is exposed to the heat of the oven.

I never used butter outside of pastries, it tastes a lot better when you spread fresh butter on your finished bread imho.

>No sugar unless you desperately need a sweet bread

It decreases the baking properties of your bread and limits you to low temperatures and short baking durations (again, it burns)

>Add more water

As a rule of thumb: If you can knead your dough without flour then it is too dry and will dry out even more once you cut it.

Bread has lost up to half of its water once it is cooled down, so if you want a nice, springy bread that retains its texture for a while you need a high hydration

>Increase or add rest periods for your dough

It takes time for the flour to absorb all the water and for the gluten to develop its properties, take your time.

>Use other grains.

Rye, Barley, Einkorn & Spelt are all better than wheat. In germany pure wheat is typically reserved for pastries, cake, cookies or traditional milk breads.

Wheat, especially white flour wheat is boring and bland. If you have to use wheat, use Khorasan wheat (Kamut) or Emmer, it tastes much better.

To me the main purpose of wheat in bread is to provide gluten, to increases the baking properties of the bread.

I generally did not use more than 30% wheat in my bread, it is not as interesting and flavorful as rye

You need to learn how to fold and shape your dough so that it rises outwards and not inwards, which is generally counterproductive. You want a high surface area on the inside (lot's of bubbles, lighter bread) and a lot of surface area on the outside (more area to brown) for that you need a well-folded, well-shaped, well-proofed dough. You should see concentric circles, when you look at a slice of bread.

By the way, what do you need alkaline water for? It is only useful for a few special types of bread. The only time i used alkaline water is when i made pretzels.

>There are only 5 basic ways to increase the flavor of your bread

1. increase the surface area and create a crust

2. increase the salt content

3. Use sourdough and a long fermentation

4. Add spices, nuts & seeds (careful, they tend to burn)

5. Use different flour

>Why to bake sourdough bread:

It lasts longer

It tastes better

It is easier to digest

It is more moist

First of all, it is a myth that sourdough takes over your kitchen. You can keep in your fridge in a closed jar or container.

The only reason not to use sourdough is when you want to bake a quick sweet bread, like raisin bread, but don't be surprised if it tastes boring and dries out within a day. Sourdough ages like wine and adds hundreds of flavors to your bread depending on the temperature and length of the fermentation. You don't have to a San Francisco hippie to recognize its benefits and that it produces a superior bread.

PS:

Take a look at the youtube channel in my other post >>6970

She is one of the few people on yt who is not a recipe slave and knows how to bake bread.

I'd post more links for you, but unfortunately most of them are in german.

If you are fluent in german, then take a look at http://www.der-sauerteig.com/

They have baking down to a science and have more recipes than you can bake in your lifetime.

Lastly: Homemade bread is not the worst thing to eat, but it is certainly not the best; Keep in mind that grain and wheat based products in particular contribute to a number of lifestyle health issues like obesity, heart disease, cancer, skin problems, digestive problems, etc.

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 No.7079

>>7077

Thanks for the advice. I'm pretty new to baking in general, so all this stuff is useful to me. I'll give the sourdough a try someday, but it won't be a way of life for me.

As for the alkaline water, it's more really for a dessert I have in mind than for bread, but since I managed to finally get my hands on some from a different fucking country I'll give it a try in bread sometime.

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 No.7355

Alright, it's been a while. Thank god for slow board.

So, I've been overseas where I got the chance to experiment with bread. I used a standard white bread recipe for these since I didn't have the time to fool around with sourdough.

I tried continental flour and gluten-free flour. Continental bread is disgusting but edible. Gluten-free bread is both disgusting and inedible.

Also ovens are pretty weird from country to country. The whole gas mark system seems pretty inaccurate to me.

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 No.10426

What is better, merengue or chocolate?

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 No.10430

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>>7077

It's posts like these that make me happy this board is so slow. 11 months old and I can still read this shit, thanks for the valuable information if you still come here

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 No.10435

Try this:

In your next loaf of bread, replace half your usual flour with Vital Wheat Gluten.

SO, SO CHEWY!

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 No.10436

>>10430

Yeah, it was very helpful to me all those months ago. I eventually started making my own starter and doing sourdoughs, now I make 2 loaves a week with nuts and seeds and all that good stuff.

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