/christianity/ - Christian Theology & Philosophy

When did it happen?

>>8599

They don't even hide it.

>>8601

1990, and it happened before in 1985.

Here's an article from (sede?) anti-vat II Roman Catholics:

http://archive.is/DeRl6

tl;dr they prove it really happened against four objections, then connect the practice to a Vat II related declaration Nostra Aetate.

Here's a defensive article from mainline Roman Catholics:

https://catholicexchange.com/did-the-pope-kiss-the-koran the archive leaves an obnoxious full page ad over the article http://archive.is/vKdxq

tl;dr Yes he kissed it, and that's a good thing you bigot. This is consistent with the declaration Nostra Aetate

>The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions [the reference here is to Hinduism, Buddhism, and other pagan religions, but what is said can be extended, a fortiori, also to Islam –N.O. Watch]. She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men….

>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.

(Vatican II, Declaration Nostra Aetate, nn. 2-3)

Conclusion: RCC official doctrine is contradictory. They are relativist when it suits them politically (or at least give statements that imply relativism), then exclusionary on another face.

There is a bizarre connection between islam and the vatican that any triple digit Christian thinker can obviously recognize and avoid.

Start the video at 2:34 to hear news admission of the older 1985 kissing koran incident

>>8603

triple digit IQ*

>>8603

friggin Papists man, they sure love the Quran

>>8599

>pope kissing a book recited by a man who at 50 married a 6 year old.

Not surprising at all

>>8603

>>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God

Have they read the koran? To think Allah is the same as the one true God crazy

>>8663

There's something disturbing when you've got unironic Hardline Catholics like >>8648 who spiritually vibe at the same level with Muslims than with other Christian denominations

>>8667

Considering that Catholicism and Islam (as well as literally any other works based religion) can be perfectly summed up in the top portion ("How Religion Works") of the following pic/meme, is it really that much of a surprise?:

https://adam4d.com/religion-vs-gospel/

>>8667

I don't know if protestants know this, but historically this has never been the case. In the protestant reformation, protestant rulers often allied or preferred muslims to catholics, and considered protestantism and islam more similar than catholicism, because in their words "rejection of idols and images"

>>8681

Talk about a switcheroo.

>>8681

Yes, Protestants typically allied with Muslim powers instead of Roman Catholic, but they never saw Islam as a good religion.

Most, if not all, Protestant figures recognized it as the blasphemous false religion as it is, and only allied with Muslims out of convenience against Roman Catholic powers.

Ironically enough, the Sultan of Turkey during the Reformation was quite tolerant of other religions and allowed them to practice in his domains (that extended not just to Protestants, but Roman Catholics, Jews, Eastern Orthodox, and others).

Hence, one of the infamous things Cathodox will post is the Dutch crescent that reads "Rather Turkish than Papist". They recognized that Turks treated them better than RCs ever did.

That being said, it was mostly a rhetorical phrase. No Dutchman ever seriously desired life under the Turk.

>>8681

>>8682

>>8687

There's nothing wrong with forming practical inter-faith political alliances. The problem with this behavior by the Pope and the statements by the RCC is that they necessarily compromise doctrine.

My missiology class was taught by a lifelong missionary to Poland with the IMB, and he told us that they have a system of categorizing what the cooperation entails. As an example, they will gladly hand out soup in a humanitarian crisis alongside muslims, but will not do anything that entails conveying that there is a shared theology.

War is an area of appropriate political alliance, because preserving life is the highest priority in war.

>>9068

War is done in the interests of the nation.

>>9068

Naive

>>9068

Romanism is not Christian

>>9072

Realpolitik is the path straight to hell, as seen with Germany and the West in general.