01c33c No.7948
I am sympathetic to the Trad Cath critique of the modern Catholic Church, but it seems to me like, far from what they allege, the so-called Catholic Church had fallen into innovation and heresy long before Vatican II. The only thing these people seem to care about is their precious Latin Mass, which is dubious in itself, and they also tack on criticisms of certain innovations which every Christian obviously despises, such as how John Paul II and Francis have pandered to infidels and sodomites. Yet they conveniently ignore how, even before Vatican II, the Church had long been gradually changing its teachings and softening its positions on things like slavery, usury, crusade, Muslims, Jews, etc. The Catholic Church has always softened its views on such thing in accordance with how society in general has changed its views on them. There has hardly ever been any real respect for Tradition at all.
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8fb9d0 No.7978
Even to us on the outside of the Roman church, Vat ii is a clear reversal of some key distinctives of their theology. None of that matters in the final analysis anyway though because the soteriology is wrong before and after.
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9c1f9a No.8026
The church was in decline before Vatican II and Vatican II was actually a response to that decline. If we had been more flexible in the past we could have converted China the way we converted Europe - by incorporating local traditions and ideas. I think the Church has grown rigid and stiff over the year and that's the real great weakness. Vatican II was supposed to shake things up but it didn't work because it just replaced one rigid system for another inferior rigid system.
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31293a No.8027
We just need to pretend it didn't happen, until God clears things up.
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