370766 No.7366
No disrespect meant with this question, in fact I'm considering becoming catholic myself but I'm hesitating after a discussion I had with a catholic coworker. I asked him about freemasons, and if they are still excommunicated from church. He said they are in mortal sin and denied communion. I then asked what his opinion would be on them if the pope said tomorrow that they were fine. He said he'd accept them. I also asked him the same about abortion and homosexuality. He said he wouldn't agree. I understand that there is a big schism in the church about Vatican 2. If a Vatican 3 happened that said gay is ok and abortion is a right, would the catholic church still be the one true faith? Are you just supposed to believe whatever the church says and assume it knows better?
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73d80c No.7374
I'm sorry about all the posts, it kept saying time out so I didn't think it was working
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231b34 No.7380
>If a Vatican 3 happened that said gay is ok and abortion is a right, would the catholic church still be the one true faith
The Novus Ordo/Conciliar Church is a counterfeit. If they do those things, it'll be even more obvious that it's false. Don't be fooled by the Vatican II sect; hold fast to Tradition. Go to your nearest traditional Catholic Church.
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370766 No.7381
>>7380
Is the schism with traditionalist and novus ordo as big as the one with protestants and orthodox
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231b34 No.7383
>>7381
The Novus Ordo Church is in schism with all prior Catholic teaching, and the Novus Ordo Missae is a new schismatical rite that has to be avoided under pain of mortal sin. There is no such thing as "traditionalist"- there's Novus Ordite and Catholic.
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370766 No.7384
>>7383
That's what you think, but the Vatican would disagree
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231b34 No.7389
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>>7384
The same Vatican that has rejected Limbo (a DOGMA of the faith), whose leader is Francis ("Who am I to judge?" "An atheist can be righteous and pleasing to God" "Lutherans and Catholics have the same view of justification"… I can go on for DAYS). The same Vatican that organized Assisi? The same Vatican that made JPII (a man who prayed to protect Islam, kissed the Koran, received Satanic Shiva markings, and covered up for molesters) a "Saint"? The same Vatican that that tried to ban the Tridentine Mass (the ONLY VALID Mass of the Roman Rite), and then when they realized they couldn't, allowed the creation of controlled-opposition groups like the FSSP that are totally under their thumb? Make no mistake, they still want to ban the Tridentine Mass, they just can't. They want us to go to the Lutheran Novus Ordo. Yeah, I'm not going to follow those heretics. They are gravely in error. I would be damning my soul if I followed what Francis teaches, thinking it was "Catholic".
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pdeXLeRChcw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iOx1ObqO3r8
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oUHr9jfa-I8
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwu7KtvwcHJZ2hhIR6HtU69W18McUoLX-
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0aff29 No.7405
>>7366
Roman Catholicism is predicated on the authority of that man as greater than or equal to scripture. You should cease your pursuit of joining them immediately.
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e9dc0d No.7414
this>>7405
Catholics are NOT Christian
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370766 No.7436
>>7405
But Catholics compiled the bible, and luther removed books from it
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5101fc No.7440
>>7436
How do you know that?
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96ab72 No.7445
>>7440
How do you know which books belong in the Bible? The Index?
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5101fc No.7455
>>7445
I look at the criteria that the church has always used, which is internal consistency between the books. 66 books are undisputed, and I've looked at the apocrypha myself and have seen each book's inconsistency in teaching with those solid 66.
Luther added no books, the canonization of the apocrypha in the Roman church was part of the counter reformation
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1a1830 No.7468
>>7366
To answer OPs question,
In Catholic teachings, the holy spirit is supposed to intervene to keep the pope from leading people into sin. Ie. If the pope was determined to make an infallible proclamation that is wrong or sinful, the holy spirit would push him down the stairs or give him a heart attack before he could make the proclamation.
If a pope somehow says that homosexuality and abortion are okay, it would mean the entirety of Catholicism is false, because the holy spirit is not intervening.
Although as a practical matter, it would not be possible for a pope to declare that homosexuality and abortion are a-ok because it would contradict the catechism and you can't have two contradictory infallible documents
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96ab72 No.7475
>>7468
>it would contradict the catechism and you can't have two contradictory infallible documents
Catechisms are not infallible; the only one that could be considered "quasi" infallible is the Catechism of Trent.
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8dc121 No.7528
>>7468
>In Catholic teachings, the holy spirit is supposed to intervene to keep the pope from leading people into sin
Looks like Catholic teachings are false
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f1a323 No.7530
>>7528
Pope Francis makes it very clear, over and over again, who his "Lord" is. It's the same one the Catholic church has always worshipped in secret.
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fde072 No.7551
>>7528
That's only when the pope is speaking ex cathedra which has only happened a few times in all of Catholic history. Pope Francis has never done this, these quotes are from him speaking off the cuff about his own opinions which are not dogmatic, can be wrong, and no one has to agree with, same as if the pope said today that blue is the best color and all other colors are ugly.
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982066 No.7554
>>7551
But even actions and remarks outside of ex cathedra can lead people into sin. It's no coincidence that the Liberal/secular world absolutely loves him.
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f35102 No.7582
>>7551
>That's only when the pope is speaking ex cathedra
So the Holy Spirit doesn't care if millions of souls are led astray unless the pope is in his super special chair when he does it? Papist epistemology is such a joke.
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f35102 No.7583
>>7551
Oh this is just rich, I should have finished reading before posting
>same as if the pope said today that blue is the best color and all other colors are ugly
'There is nothing wrong with being a sodomite' = 'Blue is the best color'
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231b34 No.7585
>>7582
>Papist epistemology is such a joke.
The Bogus Ordo is a joke, which is why any actual Catholic resists the errors of Francis, the post-V2 Popes, and the so called "new mass"
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f35102 No.7587
>>7585
>the magisterium is wrong, [my personal interpretation] is the truth
You're overthrowing your system.
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