6ffb20 No.7272
Reposted from >>>/fascist/11471
Searching the internet looking for Fascist/nazi sites and i stumbled across this website, thoughts? They have some interesting articles on the bourgeois, acting against the satanic system as well as an article on christians being fascists and common misconceptions about it
https://christosculture.wordpress.com/
they have an article debunking these misconceptions
https://christosculture.wordpress.com/2018/12/07/for-christ-and-for-god/
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e77684 No.7274
How do they define fascism?
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62eb3d No.7277
>references to SIEGE
>Connections to Iron March:
https://christosculture.com/iminfographs/
>into_the_trash_it_goes.jpg
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9bb56c No.7283
>>7272
>for Christ and for God
Christ is God. You must be a cultural Christian?
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6ffb20 No.7285
>>7283
Yeah, i don't know why they separate the trinity, like they're denying the divinity of Christ.
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785a40 No.7288
>>7283
Don't be modalistic. It is established orthodoxy since the New Testament to refer to the Father particularly as God.
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2bf1db No.7291
>>7272
Owner of the site here, the father is always referred to as God see the nicene creed "I believe in one God the Father almighty".
>>7277
Seems like youre dismissing what the site presents based off of false preconceived notions about Siege and Ironmarch. These things are secondary to our worldview and we see them as faulty but still containing knowledge to our particular times, so theyre purely pragmatic and we see Christianity as the ONLY worldview of truth. Anything else falls short
>>7283
>>7285
Persons are distinct in the trinity, theyre united by will, essence, energy, etc
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9bb56c No.7297
>>7291
Then why no mention of the Holy Spirit? Could have said "for the Trinity."
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82370f No.7298
>>7297
Read Paul's epistles.
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3ec895 No.7301
>>7285
There is no trinity. God is a duality. As represented in the Father and Son. The holy spirit is just God's helper, not God. Nowhere in the bible does it ever say the holy spirit is God, or mention anything about any trinity.
“Then God said, ‘Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness"
"So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
“I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you always.”
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7acb0f No.7302
Romans 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
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396325 No.7304
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d3fa52 No.7305
>>7304
This is a Christian board
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396325 No.7306
>>7305
I know but read it you'll be surprised at how much paul actually contradicts jesus.
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d3fa52 No.7307
>>7306
He doesn't, all alleged contradictions fall flat under scrutiny
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19b431 No.7308
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396325 No.7310
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d3fa52 No.7312
>>7310
Okay. Pick the three most compelling objections you have for the disunity between Paul and Jesus.
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db5e70 No.7315
>>7272
I find that you "redpilled" (lol, fags) Christians are usually some of the biggest haters of Christ, Christianity, and the culture and ethics they've spawned. Instead of trying to approach the religion from a neutral position and letting it change you, you change it to fit your already held worldview. You're like one of those sodomites who's convinced himself that Christianity condones his lifestyle.
Here's a wonderful example: https://christosculture.com/2019/03/15/hero-of-our-times/
>Brenton Tarrant is going to rise to the same league in our pantheon of Champions as Robert Mathews, Anders Breivik and Dylann Roof, a man of action, valor and a true Man Against Time, a manifestation of the Warrior fighting against the forces of Falsehood, Evil and Chaos. He identifies himself in his manifesto, The Great Replacement, as an “eco-fascist” and a fan of Sir Oswald Mosley. Notwithstanding some small differences and errors in ideology and philosophical outlook, this man is certainly one of us. His actions ought speak for themselves, and the tinge of Internet meme flair in his music and statements during his livestream are further proof of his being within our sphere of thought. We have nothing but approval and support for this man and his actions, and agree with the vast majority of what he has to say in his manifesto. Everything he did was done for the purpose of escalating violence and creating a more revolutionary environment.
Very Christian. I'm sure Christ would approve of the mass slaughter of innocent people. I know there are many desolate people who think Tarrant is some ebin hero because he so bravely gunned downed non-combatant men, women, and children while they were praying. It is after all, an extremely heroic and brave act to execute a severely injured woman lying at the side of the street while she cries for help. But I think even a lot of those crusader-wannabees would have a hard time justifying the defense of Breivik and especially that of Roof. Breivik's attack wasn't religiously motivated and it wasn't against le Saracens or Jews. He killed children and teens from a white Christian country for political reasons. And, of course, Roof went into a church and murdered Christians, but I know, they weren't white Christians, so they don't count.
>Man Against Time
And this is a term coined by an "esoteric-Hitlerist" and Hindu who was anti-Christian and thought Paul had corrupted the faith.
I look forward to your next blog post where you tell use why Hitler was a saint and why the Bible is actually pro-race war. Maybe you could throw in some dank memes while your at it.
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396325 No.7316
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62eb3d No.7317
>>7291
>Seems like youre dismissing what the site presents based off of false preconceived notions about Siege and Ironmarch. These things are secondary to our worldview and we see them as faulty but still containing knowledge to our particular times, so theyre purely pragmatic and we see Christianity as the ONLY worldview of truth. Anything else falls short
>We're totally NOT radical White Nationalists/Nazis trying to force fit the square peg of Christian theology into the round hole of our pet political/man-made philosophies. Nosiree!
The prosecution rests your honor:
>>7315
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d3fa52 No.7318
>>7316
>1
The issue Jesus speaks to isn't praying in view of others, it's praying for the sake of being seen by others. This error was especially prevalent in synagogues and on street corners according to the passage.
Paul isn't telling people to go outside and pray publicly, he's saying that people everywhere should be praying. In particular, he's giving instruction on practice in the local church, and the way they should pray is without wrath.
Jesus:
>Don't pray hypocritically in public and merely for public appearances
Paul:
>Pray everywhere
>Pray lifting holy hands
>Pray without wrath or dissention (unified in the local church)
No contradiction
>2
Paul is simply not inappropriately comparing himself to Christ. He's not calling himself the Christ, he's remembering that the Galatians treated him with great charity like they would Christ or an angel, and he's commending them.
Paul even roots his authority insofar as he is aligned with Christ: 1 Cor 11:1, Gal 1:8.
Jesus:
>Beware of people calling themselves Christ in the future
Paul:
>You treated me as (simile) Christ
No contradiction
>3
This isn't even related to Christ but ok.
Their roles just changed as far as I can tell, I've never heard of this alleged issue. These two statements aren't formal contradictions because neither one is necessarily lying.
Peter:
>In the early days (NASB) /a good while ago (KJV) God sent me to preach to the gentiles
Paul:
>I've been sent to the gentiles, and Peter to the Jews
Not mutually exclusive. The onus would be on you to prove they had competing ideas about their roles at the same time.
Tell me why you think my reading is wrong on any of these if you do
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6ffb20 No.7320
>>7306
This is a Muslim heresy.
>>7315
OP, here. Personally i disagree with the actions of Brenton Tarrant, the site dose not reflect my opinion. I'm not an accelerationist, let alone for such violence.
>esoteric-Hitlerist
Satanism is the final enemy, it's what the Jews worship, it makes no sense to join a belief system with blatant use of pentagrams, or whatever they're called.
>I look forward to your next blog post
The OP is hardly a blog post.
>where you tell use why Hitler was a saint and why the Bible is actually pro-race war.
I don't think Hitler is a saint, however the bible does set divisions by nations. And predicts (not encourages) race wars since nation also means race.
>Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
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396325 No.7322
>>7318
>1
Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
This openly states to pray in secret and God will reward you for it. Also you are a liar. You said that paul stated that people everywhere should be praying in secret. This is false as 1 timothy 2:8 directly states that
"I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting."
notice the that men pray everywhere as opposed to men everywhere should pray. You are jumping through hoops to make pauls doctrine fit with the doctrine of christ and it is quite obvious if you look at things. You're twisting pauls words in order to fit with christs when you can disregard paul's entire message and the entire bible will cease becoming a mental gymnastics contest.
>2
I think I misinterpreted this or you did either way doesn't refute 1 or 3
>3 A good while ago God sent me to preach to the gentiles
You took the verse out of context to try frame it in a different light either that or you missed an entire bit in the verse. The verse goes as this
Acts 15:7
"And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe."
You missed the God made choice among us. Then after that peter immediately stated that he would be the one that would preach the gospel to the gentiles not paul. This means that paul was simply lying or peter didn't do what he said he was going to.
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396325 No.7329
>>7322
Paul contradicts himeself
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+9%3A7%2C+Acts+22%3A9&version=KJV
Pauls manipulates people by saying he was criticised for believing in the resurrection when in reality he was criticised for telling jews among the gentiles to repeal the law of moses.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+21%3A20-21%2C+Acts+23%3A6&version=KJV
Why is the only one of pauls churches that gets a candle stick is the church of the ephesians who rejected him
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+2&version=KJV
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a934d0 No.7339
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396325 No.7342
>>7339
That is not an argument. What you are doing is trying to distract from the points because they can't be refuted and label me a term in order to get others to disapprove of my ideas simply by association with the group. Jesus called the jews the synagogue of satan. Me exposing a lie that has endured for centuries is simply my way to prove my devotion to christ.
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c80c13 No.7344
>>7342
>Mathew 12:25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? 27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
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a934d0 No.7345
>>7342
>What you are doing is trying to distract from the points because they can't be refuted
oh, the irony
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396325 No.7346
>>7344
Exposing false doctrine is not the same as arguing if Jesus lifted and splintering over that. Ripping apart false prophets is coming closer to christ. Thus paul's epistles aren't christian and thus should be exposed.
Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
>>7345
How is it ironic? I brought up arguments all you're doing is being a child and acting like I didn't provide any form of evidence when I did.
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c80c13 No.7347
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>7346
Way to miss the point complete, and yes it does have similarities. Satan cannot drive Satan out.
>John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Obviously this doesn't literally mean that the book is God, but it dose mean that we can trust in the bible. The main reason i dismiss this whole Paul false apostle non-sense is because it's a Muslim meme, and they specializes in these kinds of deceptions including anti-trinity doctrines.
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db5e70 No.7348
>>7320
So you're just shilling an obscure site, probably on two boards nonetheless, that you have nothing to do with and personally disagree with? Not only that, but a person claiming to be the owner of the blog makes a post not long after the thread is created. I'm not buying it. You guys need to learn to shill better.
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fda67d No.7349
>>7339
>>7345
it really isn't an argument
>>7322
I'll take that as you conceding point 2. Point 3 isn't a contrast between Christ and Paul, so I'd like to put it aside.
>You said that paul stated that people everywhere should be praying in secret.
No I didn't.
You are arguing that Jesus is meant to be taken explicitly literal when he says "but when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret.". This is wrong, because Jesus was only providing the foil to the example of the hypocrites. We know this because Jesus himself didn't exclusively pray in his inner room, he prayed on a mountaintop (Luke 6:12) or in the garden of gethsemane (Mark 14).
The correct application of Jesus's words in Matthew 6:5-6 is simply to not pray for the sake of being heard by men, like I said.
This application is totally compatible with Paul's words in 1 Timothy 2:8.
Now you either need to concede this point or argue that it's ok for Jesus to contradict his own instruction according to your view.
I asked you for the three most compelling examples of Paul contradicting Jesus. You gave me two, and they've both proven to fall flat under scrutiny just like I said.
When did you conclude that Paul was an uninspired author and why? I'm suspecting that you didn't start as a neutral observer.
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c80c13 No.7350
>>7348
>So you're just shilling an obscure site,
Not shilling, it was Christian related so i posted it here.
>probably on two boards nonetheless
That was my first visit on /facist/, and that wasn't my thread
>that you have nothing to do with
Correct
>and personally disagree with?
I don't agree with everything on the site, i haven't looked at it all, so also correct.
>Not only that, but a person claiming to be the owner of the blog makes a post not long after the thread is created. I'm not buying it. >You guys need to learn to shill better.
It's not that weird that a christian fascism site is shared on /christianity/ on 8chan full of nazism. I'm also willing to bet that only /facist/ and /christian/ has threads on this site as off the time of this posting. You can not buy it, but it's correct, Sometimes fiction is more interesting than truth.
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c80c13 No.7351
>>7350
I'm also willing to bet that only /facist/ and /christian/
whoops, i mean /christianity/
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c80c13 No.7353
>>7351
I oh yeah, i did share it on /christian/ also but a mod deleted it.
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396325 No.7354
>>7349
It's really saying pray in isolation. Why would paul be extremely vague by saying pray everywhere? especially when most of the bible is quite direct. also when bringing up the 3 points I should have brought up the first point in this post. >>7329
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c80c13 No.7355
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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d3fa52 No.7356
>>7354
How are you concluding that Jesus is saying to only pray in isolation? Is that compatible with the model prayer that Jesus gives, instructing to pray "our father", as in corporately?
Is that compatible with the old testament model of prayer?
Look at how Solomon prayed in 1 Kings 8:22-23
22 Then Solomon stood before the altar of the Lord in the presence of all the assembly of Israel and spread out his hands toward heaven.
23 He said, “O Lord, the God of Israel, there is no God like You in heaven above or on earth beneath, keeping covenant…"
My view doesn't see either Paul or Jesus as indirect or vague, just requiring interpretation.
>>7329
>Paul contradicts himself
This is an example of the deficiency of the KJV
https://bible.org/question/i’m-troubled-contradiction-between-acts-97-and-229-where-it-unclear-whether-men-paul-his-co
Again, it's not even an alleged contradiction between Jesus and Paul like you're supposed to be demonstrating.
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8f2d95 No.7376
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2bf1db No.7377
>>7315
>>7317
You're implying innocence to the said Muslims, Christ told us to turn the other cheek and looking into the historical context of that verse it was very specific to the times. Meaning if someone were to try to duel they slap you and if you turned the other cheek and they hit you you'd be liable to self-defense. As we see it this is a just war, we're not fighting against innocents or civilians as that is unlawful, it's us versus them and we follow that. Now we don't condone throwing your life away to shoot up some hoagies, we don't advocate trying to accelerate the collapse of the system if you have read our other articles
see:
https://christosculture.com/2018/11/30/dating-the-collapse/
https://christosculture.com/2018/11/24/leading-with-the-chin/
Our goal is to preserve western civilization in the best means as possible, this means preserving the peoples who built it. The system is on its last thread and we don't intend to interrupt our enemy while he's making a mistake so they'll keep pushing this and their time will be due for their crimes.
They come here and pollute our faith, attack our women and children and apply innocence to these people? lmao seems like a "pietistic" cowardice.
I'm going to avoid the heresy being spread on this board as the church fathers wrote a plethora on these topics and really I don't need to expound on them. I'm sticking to the site and its contents.
As well we noted this in our podcast against the Pagans, we are fascist insofar as it applies to Christianity anything that doesn't we throw out.
Killing, the action itself, is determined lawful/unlawful based on the motives of the said killer and the "victim". So killing a robber trying to kill your family is lawful and Christian. Letting your family die to the robber because you take a heretical pacifistic idea is not Christian and contrary to Christ and the Bible.
God bless!
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2bf1db No.7378
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2bf1db No.7379
>>7348
Im the owner of the site so i see everywhere its posted, i saw the thread so i thought itd be interesting to interact on this board
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c80c13 No.7385
>>7379
I really liked this page stosculture.com/2018/12/07/for-christ-and-for-god/ i used to spend soo much time arguing with neo-pagans about the jewishness of Christianity and other really common misconceptions.
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e4d31f No.7386
>>7377
>You're implying innocence to the said Muslims
How many people in that mosque were harming people? Were the children Tarrant gunned-down here to pollute your faith and attack your women and children? Why is it every time one of you Siegetards decides to chimpout you decide to murder people who have no power?
>They come here and pollute our faith, attack our women and children and apply innocence to these people?
Even if we accept that the people Tarrant murdered were in New Zealand to do that, this justification doesn't apply to Breivik, who's attacks were against Europeans and entirely politically motivated, or Roof, who went into a church and murdered 9 Christians.
Just answer this one question: How do you justify declaring a man who went into a church and murdered nine Christians a hero?
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2bf1db No.7391
>>7386
Them being where they shouldnt is harmful and promoting their religion is harmful, what they do in our countries is harmful, see what happened in germany or even sweden and the mass rapes. THEYRE KILLING US AND REPLACING US!
>How do you justify Breivik
Breivik killed communist who were again harming his people with faggotry, pedophilia, etc. Breivik wasnt politically motivated, although that may have played a part, he was ultimately motivated by love for his own people and realized what he needed to do or what his course of action was.
>Roof
Those people were in a "church" they were mostly black panther members and iirc one was a black panther leader. So they were hardly "Christian". Although this may be insult to injury, but they were protestant black evangelical whatever the hell so hardly a church. Roof had his reasons for attacking that specific place and its mainly for what they were promoting and they were attacking whites and the peoples and attacking "racism".
Their actions may have not have been perfect, we're humans and when it comes to these things its hard to really get the nitty gritty
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2bf1db No.7392
However our fight isn't purely political, it isn't purely about white and non-white. Hell, it isn't even about white and non-white, that's just a side effect of what is really happening. As Paul said:
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12
Our drive is spiritual and political. These two realms are important but the former far outweighs the latter in importance.
"And the Lord said to Moses: Why criest thou to me? Speak to the children of Israel to go forward." - Exodus 14:15
"All things have their season, and in their times all things pass under heaven. 2 A time to be born and a time to die. A time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted. 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal. A time to destroy, and a time to build. 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh. A time to mourn, and a time to dance. 5 A time to scatter stones, and a time to gather. A time to embrace, and a time to be far from embraces. 6 A time to get, and a time to lose. A time to keep, and a time to cast away. 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew. A time to keep silence, and a time to speak. 8 A time of love, and a time of hatred. A time of war, and a time of peace." - Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
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c80c13 No.7393
>>7291
>(5)
>Owner of the site here
wow i completely miss that, and was really confused when that anon thought i was the owner.
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b8c9c5 No.7398
>>7291
Whatever anything else might think, you're my brother in Christ. God bless you and your website.
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e4d31f No.7400
>>7391
You people really can justify anything, can't you?
>Breivik killed communist who were again harming his people with faggotry, pedophilia, etc.
He killed Norwegian kids and teenagers at a summer camp. He killed members of his own race.
>Those people were in a "church" they were mostly black panther members and iirc one was a black panther leader
Do you have proof of this?
>So they were hardly "Christian"
That's rich coming from a "Christian" fascist who's inspired by James Mason and Savitri Devi.
>but they were protestant black evangelical whatever the hell so hardly a church.
Amazing. It's nice to know Siegetards get to determine who's a real Christian and whether or not they're worthy of life. So who is a real Christian, in your book?
>black
I have a feeling this is the main reason you don't object to what he did. If a black man walked into a church and shot nine white protestant evangelical whatever the hells, I'd bet you'd write a blog post mourning the great attack on Christendom.
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