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Lost bible reading eunuch 01/17/20 (Fri) 12:08:28 e42e90 No.12102

This passage of the Egyptian eunuch asking the Christian to explain him the scriptures seems quite self evidently anti free style interpretation and sola scriptura. It determines that an outside authority is needed to properly infer meaning out of the bible.

What's the protbros take on it?

Acts 8:26-40

So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading the prophet Isaiah, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?” And he asked Philip to come up and sit with him.

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01/17/20 (Fri) 17:56:03 6d14b3 No.12107

>>12102

>What's the protbros take on it?

That your take is a non-sequitur. There's no challenge to sola scriptura here because sola scriptura doesn't mean "free style interpretation". Sola scriptura is the doctrine that scripture alone is the final authority. If anything, sola scriptura is the least arbitrary position because it holds that there is once and for all a correct reading of every passage that can be deduced via internal textual evidence.

The protestant tradition is also entirely based around elders teaching the church what the Bible means. You'll remember that it was the reformation that placed the sermon back at the center of the sunday service.

The Ethiopian eunuch was reading the Bible. Philip, under miraculous inspiration of the Holy Ghost, found him and told him what the passage meant. He doesn't tell the Eunuch "God has inerrantly explained this passage through a certain ecclesiastical office", he told him the gospel message of Jesus.

Unrelated point, but this is the clearest scriptural example of believer's baptism by immersion

> And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

>And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (not in some manuscripts)

>And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

>And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

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01/19/20 (Sun) 02:11:14 1ca639 No.12166

>>12107

>He doesn't tell the Eunuch "God has inerrantly explained this passage through a certain ecclesiastical office", he told him the gospel message of Jesus.

this

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01/19/20 (Sun) 07:02:41 5fbdcf No.12179

>And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Acts 8:36,37)

Pedobaptism disproved right here.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 12:59:16 e42e90 No.12223

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>>12107

Sorry, shouldnt' have said 'free-style' because it denotes some deprecating tone.

>sola scriptura is the doctrine that scripture alone is the final authority.

But in a book of such richness of meanings and symbology there will always be a plethora of interpretations, so how can it be self authoritative.

One can say one has the real internal bible deduced meaning and thats' what the elders explain but that meaning is just another opinion decided by an authority.

Ones' point might be to stress that its not a protestant authority meaning but a bible authority one so while others have opinion protestants have truth.

But if that was so protestantism would have been a bulwark of unity and stability but its the Christian group that more divides itself due to new people thinking their interpretation is actually the real sola scriptura one.

Christ wishes for one church, sola scriptura makes that as time goes on the more church splinters, therefore it is not likely to be the best idea. It leads to division proven by historical empiric evidence.

The eunuch could have founded a new sect too according to his interpretations if it wasnt for Philips' authority. Mohamed did.

Even if one says Philip is simply adding the needed explanation of the OT in light of the new message of Jesus for it to be possibly understood. Still shows Christianity thrives without a written NT therefore scripture would be an added asset and not the required authoritative asset. External authorities did put the bible together too in accordance to a certain understanding.

So what would be the real understanding! We can read church history and church fathers to find out how the people closest to the apostles lived Christianity.

As to baptism there are more than one passage that states entire families converting like: 'he was baptized, with all his family'. No mention of excluding children.

Paul equates it with a circumcision without hands. The hebrews didnt wait for a child to reach understanding to circumcise it. Peolpe adhered to the covenant in teh age the covenant comes to them, Abraham circumcised as an old man, his seed circumcised as infants. All these converts in Acts convert mainly as adults because that's how old they were when the new covenant news got to them.

Apparently its Christian unity week and we are called to pray for an united Christendom. Lets do so, humans will never agree so we have to resort to the Holy Spirit to unify us:p.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 14:39:06 d418ac No.12226

>>12223

>Apparently its Christian unity week and we are called to pray for an united Christendom. Lets do so

I don't pray with Muslims, so why would I pray with a Roman Catholic for a holiday made up by Roman Catholics? There can be no theological or ecclesiastical unity between us. Our differences are too great. We have no more interest in submitting to your Pope king than we do the the Prophet president of the Mormon church.

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01/20/20 (Mon) 16:26:42 5e4533 No.12228

>>12223

You are erroneously oversimplifying everything to say everything in Protestantism is a result of sola scriptura and everything in the RCC is a result of a magesterial concept.

>But in a book of such richness of meanings and symbology there will always be a plethora of interpretations, so how can it be self authoritative

Every argument has to stand on its own merit, and we leave room for disagreement. Remember, Sola scriptura means scripture is the final authority, still using every tool possible like ancient language research, biblical archaeology, early Christian studies etc

>sola scriptura makes that as time goes on the more church splinters

Denominationalism is liberty plus conviction. That conviction to leave can be from a Sola scriptura perspective or not.

>But if that was so protestantism would have been a bulwark of unity and stability but its the Christian group that more divides itself due to new people thinking their interpretation is actually the real sola scriptura one.

If our hermeneutical method was right, there wouldn't be other disagreements? Just dumb

We're also operating on a totally fabricated idea of interpretive authority in the Roman Catholic church. Roman catholic scholars are constantly debating interpretations of texts (as they should be) just like Protestant scholars. Nobody in the rcc has sat down under the authority of his funny hat and given everybody the right interpretation of every passage in the Bible, it just so happens that the over time they've conveniently declared inspiration directly from God on the doctrines that centralize their authority.

In any case, you must agree that this passage does not present any challenge for sola scriptura.

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