/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>856895

>Israel refers to the people of God, who are the believers and followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. You can find them congregating in church. The people you refer to, people who wear funny hats and claim Judaism, are not Israel at all.

The many Christians are not Israel, for Israel is one and Christianity is many. The people i refer to are the synagogue of God, the people you refer to are the synagogue of Satan.

>Revelation 3:9

>I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars. I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

You many Christians are not disciples of the Messiah, for you are disciples of the false apostle Paul, and your name as a Christian you have received from him.

>Acts 11:26

>So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

You many Christians are not the synagogue of God, for truth is one and lies are many. Whoever follows Paul cannot follow the Messiah, no one can serve two masters. Who then is the one who denieth the Christ but the one who follows Paul instead?

>>856897

Whoever denies themselves the word of the Messiah has denied themselves his kingdom also.

>John 4:22-24

>You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

What once was true, is true now, and will never become false, all that has changed are people and their understanding of the truth having become vessels of falsehood.

You worship God in vain, for all your many doctrines are but mere human teachings having despised the commandments of God.

>>856892

>Salvation is from the Jews.

Yes, and the Jewish people rejected God.

>King of the Jews.

Yes. He's also the King of Kings.

>Sheep of Israel.

>King of Israel.

The Church is the New Israel. While God separated the Israelites from the Gentiles in the past; he did not wish that to be the case forever. His goal was/is for all peoples to become his people too. And through the revelation of the Son of God, Jesus Christ, this plan was set in motion, extending salvation to all who believe in God.

>So my questions is to you many Christians, why have you have not converted to Judaism and become one with Israel?

Jesus Christ brings us a New Testament. The New Testament is the fulfillment of the prophesy of the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is reflected in the New.

To convert to Judaism would be a rejection of the fulfillment of the prophesies of the Old Testament. It would be a rejection of the Son of God, thus a rejection of God himself.

>>856915

>Yes, and the Jewish people rejected God.

All the apostles who followed the Messiah were Jews, the many disciples who followed the Messiah through the towns of Judea were all Jews, yet it were the Jewish authorities (the builders) who rejected him.

>Matthew 21:42-44

>Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures: “‘The stone the builders rejected has become the cornerstone; the Lord has done this, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? “Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Anyone who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; anyone on whom it falls will be crushed.”

>Yes. He's also the King of Kings.

You must read properly or its meaning will elude you, because the Messiah will rain down the fury of God unto the gentile kings of the earth, it is no blessing for only the Messiah is truly king.

>Revelation 19:15-16

>Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

>The Church is the New Israel.

There is no new Israel, the church is not Israel either, God does not make promises he will not keep but fulfill them as promised.

>Luke 1:68

>Praise be to the Lord, the God of Israel, because he has come to his people and redeemed them.

>To convert to Judaism would be a rejection of the fulfillment of the prophesies of the Old Testament.

There is only the testament, by no means it became old, and by no means a new one was created, for salvation is from the Jews.

>Matthew 5:17

>Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

>Matthew 28:18-20

>Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Even though the many Christians have been baptised with water, it is time for the children of God to be baptised in truth and spirit, for there is no salvation without redemption and you have yet to be redeemed.

Jews who follow Christ are called "Christians".

Hope this clears things up.

BTW, people who call themselves Jews and refuse to follow the Torah but follow the Talmud are not Jews, they're Satanists.

Yes, there are Jews who live by the Torah.

Hope this clears things up.

>>856921

>>856922

>Revelation 3:9

>I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars.I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you (Jews).

Your understanding is confused. If the Messiah called his people Jews, and he says the synagogue of Satan are not Jews, then why would the synagogue of Satan pretend to be the synagogue of God?

>Acts 11:26

>So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught great numbers of people. The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.

The Christians follow the teachings of Paul and follow his instructions, but the Jew follows the teachings and instructions of the Messiah only.

>Matthew 23:8-10

>But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.

No one can serve two masters, make sure your preference is proper.

>>856926

The synagogue of Satan is the gentiles…

Synogogue of Satan refers to judgment beginning at the churches.

The body is where judgment and the separation of the flock from true believers from unbelievers pretending to be Christ followers takes place.

>>856946

>>856949

Stop making things up, there is nothing scriptural about what you said, that is just you trying to justify a false religion.

>Proverbs 4:5

>Get wisdom, get understanding; do not forget my words or turn away from them.

>>856896

>for Israel is one and Christianity is many

False. Israel was divided into sects when Christ came into Earth, Israel is still divided into sects now 2000 years before. The only thing that unifies Israel is their race, and in that sense we Christians have nothing to envy, for we are all equally united in our belief in Jesus Christ, even if we differ in the details.

>Whoever follows Paul cannot follow the Messiah

Despite your claims, you fail to show where Paul taught something that Christ or any of the other apostles had not taught before. You also seem to forget that Paul was a contemporary of the apostles, it is ridiculous to believe that he distorted Christ's message without any of the other apostles doing anything against him.

Judaism is a far cry from Torah believing Israel.

So far i understand.

The question that should be asked, why are so many Israelites denying Jesus Christ, however that question is rhetorical.

We do not have to "join" Judaism, people need to repent and believe in Jesus Christ.

Jesus was sent to Israel, and the majority of Israel have denied Jesus Christ, persecuted Him to crucifixion and called out that His blood would be on them and their children.

No matter who you are who is reading this, human, if you have not accepted Jesus Christ yet, please do so for your own salvation.

For we have all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God, as such you can not justify yourself in front of God without Jesus as your sacrifice for sin.

Hebrews 10

Is He the God of the Jews only? is He not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also: Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

>why have you have not converted to Judaism

Because Judaism denies Jesus being the Son of God and the Messiah, idiot.

>>856895

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"Judaism" is a false corruption of the faith of the Israelites. The true Israel is the church, not merely those claiming descent from the historical Israelites.

The Messiah was promised to come from Abrahams line. That Messiah was Jesus and He was to deliver a message to all mankind that victory over the enemy was now possible. The Jews thought that their enemy was Rome, but Jesus was talking about a greater victory, a victory over sin and death. Jesus came to the Jews first in human form, and preached the good news with His own mouth to his people. This fulfilled the covenant to Abraham. Once He rose from the dead and ascended to heaven that message was to be taken to all of the World. The Messiah was sent to save all mankind from sin, he will return to earth to save His chosen people, the Jews, from their physical enemies at the end of the Great Tribulation. But even while he was here he gave his message and blessings to non-jews so long as they had faith. The servant of the Roman general is the best example.

>Romans 3:29-30

>29 "Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:"

>30 "Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith."

>Matthew 28:19

>"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

Christianity is for everyone.

Also,

>why have you not converted to Judaism

Because it denies Jesus as the Messiah.

>>856892

in 135bc-100bc king john hyrcanus 1 converted the edomites and other canaanites to judaism.

in 500 ad (after christ) judaism was formalized with the creation of the babylonian-edomite work known as the talmud.

the edomites are the synagogue of satan.

christ returns soon. the beast is here