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Orthodox Eschatology vs Evangelical Eschatology † 08/13/21 (Fri) 23:59:56 4d657d No.856535

Thoughts on this?

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† 08/15/21 (Sun) 21:07:19 c2283d No.856557

It is good I didn't know this was a series of seven videos because then I'd be lazy and I wouldn't watch. :/

There is so much information in these videos.

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† 08/16/21 (Mon) 08:52:44 6b9578 No.856559

>>856535

I think it's a bit unfortunate that he uses the phrase Evangelical. Although he later corrects himself as saying its the "most common" Evangelical view. But I don't think that's necessarily the case either. There is no single Evangelical eschatology. Many are amillennialists just as Orthodox and Roman Catholics tend to be. Charismatic and Pentecostals are largely more in the Premill camp however. In the 19th century, Postmillennialism was far more dominant among Protestants. The idea that we're obligated to join Christ and build the Kingdom of God in the here and now. This was a prime motivator from some famous hymns. "Onward Christian Soldiers" or even the famousn Christmas Hymn:

Joy to the world

The Lord IS come

It's what motivated abolitionists and the myriad of missionaries and people who set up education and charities all throughout the 19th century. WW1 and 2 really put a damper on culture though. A lot of people shrank into themselves and no longer believed humanity was going anywhere good. While Pentecostals and fundamentalists went off the deep end and just prayed a meteor would wipe everyone out.

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† 08/16/21 (Mon) 16:04:32 8c181e No.856561

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>>856559

>Joy to the world

>The Lord IS come

I'm sorry but saying this is post-mil is wildly inaccurate.

In 1 John 4:3, it says:

>And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

And again in 1 John 5:20,

>And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

It refers to the fact that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, as specified by John. He has already manifested, and is currently sitting at the right hand of God, as it says, "until I make thy foes thy footstool."

That in no way implies a post-millenial or amillenial belief system, which is highly allegorized, saying that most of the Bible is just an allegory, and basically teaches that man will actuate Christ rather than Him being a real person.

Your larger point about amillenialism/post-mil being more widespread at one point may or may not be true, but it doesn't matter because of pic related. Various heretical beliefs have had their momentary time in the sun of being popular in this world. The truth is that Christ is coming back, no matter how many or how few in this world believe it.

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† 08/16/21 (Mon) 20:04:38 6b9578 No.856563

>>856561

>I'm sorry but saying this is post-mil is wildly inaccurate.

The hymn writer Isaac Watts was explicitly postmill. A lot of his hymns were in the same spirit. I'm just using a famous one. And people of his own day were keen on his wording there. They disliked it. It's why some premills of the time vandalized his lyrics and rearranged them to "The Lord will come". Among other things.

>>856561

>The truth is that Christ is coming back, no matter how many or how few in this world believe it.

No one said Christ isn't coming back. That isn't what either Postmill and Amill is about. Whoever told you that is misinforming you greatly. Both teach the second Advent. The difference is they place as much importance on the First Advent.

Jesus' foes have already been made his footstool. Before he ascended he said, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and earth." - Matthew 28:18. What part of that don't you understand? Paul also described Jesus' ascension as a royal Triumph parade, "When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men." -Ephesians 4:7. Yet you're off in lala land interpreting a Davidic psalm written 1000 years prior as still being unfulfilled, when Jesus told you he fulfilled it.

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† 08/16/21 (Mon) 23:39:08 8c181e No.856564

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>>856563

>No one said Christ isn't coming back.

Yes but I say he is a real person, not an allegory.

>That isn't what either Postmill and Amill is about.

It's about saying that man will actually corporately become God, and that everything in the Bible is just an allegory for inner enlightenment, or some such thing. It's about letting you define what you think these things mean to you rather than believing and having faith in the Savior straightforwardly. If you entertain doubts about God, then its the easiest, most morally relativist and subjective to interpretation way you can possibly go. Yet what did the apostle Peter write in 2 Peter 1:20—

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation."

>Before he ascended he said, "All authority has been given to me in heaven and earth." - Matthew 28:18.

It also says in Hebrews 2:8-9 this:

<"Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

<But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."

It also says in 1 Corinthians 15:

<"For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

<The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

<For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him."

>Yet you're off in lala land interpreting a Davidic psalm written 1000 years prior as still being unfulfilled, when Jesus told you he fulfilled it.

Actually I quoted Acts 2:35 specifically. And it says there, "Until I make thy foes thy footstool."

Scripture also says in Acts 1:11,

"Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

It also says in 1 Timothy 3:16,

"God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

And in Hebrews 9:28,

"So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."

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† 08/27/21 (Fri) 10:49:35 eb650e No.856667

>1 hour

Could I get a summary?

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† 12/24/21 (Fri) 22:06:43 7a8e46 No.856927

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Islamic Eschatology Based

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