7c79e9 No.855569
Everything I've read about this seems to be kind of a mixed bag, especially among the Church Fathers, some of which seem to advocate for it (Origen, Greggory of Nyssa, Isaac the Syrian, and possibly even Ambrose of Milan and Maximus the Confessor) while others rejected it (John Chrysostom). Even today though a lot of prominent Catholic thinkers seem to advocate for a form of "possible" universal salvation (except for the demons) without definitely affirming it while surprisingly some Orthodox theologians seem to be a little more open about it with some even claiming that the Orthodox don't really have a concept of eternal hell but rather their concept of hell is closer to the Catholic idea of purgatory or the Jewish idea of gehenna (but again, an exception is generally made for the demons who are thought to be sent to eternal torment). Many advocates of this position generally argue that verses about the eternal nature of hell are conditional except possibly for Satan and the demons and there is also a lot of discussion on whether it is even correct to translate the Greek word aionios often times means "age" rather than "eternal" depending on context. Now I do realize there is the Fifth Ecumenical Council's condemnation of Origen's teaching regarding apocatastasis however it seems that this is far more complicated than it would seem on the surface which is why Orthodox (and Catholic) theologians to this day still debate over whether or not this council truly condemns the doctrine of Universal Reconciliation or not but I cannot possibly summarize all of it so I'll just post this: https://shamelessorthodoxy.com/2021/01/21/orthodoxy-universal-salvation-are-the-two-compatible/
So ultimately the question still seems open. Thoughts?
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6ef864 No.855571
>>855569
Its interesting, but its pointless from a practical point of view because people who are 'babes in christ' will just use it as an excuse to sin so there is a certain wisdom in keeping it a mystery.
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65ab9f No.855595
Why would some creatures who reject God (demons) be eternally condemned but humans not?
Like the demons, some people are obstinate in their sin and in wanting to be away from God.
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337f3a No.855613
>>855569
Origen is a heretic
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011388 No.855625
>>855569
Christianity was heresy up until Martin Luther was born and developed the 5 solae. The only two ways to go to Hell is to reject God's existence and to reject Jesus' gospel. If you've never done either, then you're going to Heaven.
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