4ac45a No.855420
But… how do I know which form of Christianity is right though!? A Baptist will show me one thing in the Bible that proves them, but then a Catholic will show me another thing that contradicts Baptist Christianity and seems to prove them but then an Eastern Orthodox will show me another thing and so and so forth!!!!! Ahhhhh!!! D:
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abafec No.855421
My friend, you will not find the truth by comparing what theologians have to say and/or reading articles left and right about the Bible. The only way for you to find the truth is to know the truth for yourself.
You will do so by reading the Holy Bible (King James Version if you speak english) from start to finish and asking the Lord Jesus Christ question if you have any. When you do this, God will show you the truth.
Jesus said:
“… If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” - John 8:31-32
He also said:
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.” - Matthew 7:7-8
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0a12cc No.855424
>>855420
The most important thing is to first repent and attend church that affirms the Trinity and the full deity of Christ.
Secondly, you can still go to heaven, even if you're wrong about minor things such as Calvinism/Arminianism/Molinism or end times and what not.
guys like this >>855421 are kind of right but also kind of wrong. The KJV is a good translation, but it isn't the only good translation. They usually scoff at scholars and say the bible was meant to be understood plainly without scholar help.what they dont realize is that the KJV was translated by scholars amd that many words have changed meanings in 400 years so you need to ask a scholar what those old words mean.
There are many Godly scholars still today, but there are also some unGodly nonscholars that created a handful of deceitful translations (like the message).
My favorite translation is ESV. NET and NIV are also good. There are others you might see thrown around like NASB and NRSV which are good too but I would stick with one of the others I mentioned. Note for that KJV onlyist that I know will reply: if you actually read these translations you would know that they agree 100% with the KJV. The difference between the manuscripts used is mostly spelling. Sometimes one manuscript says "Jesus Christ" while another might say "the Lord Jesus Christ"
If you haven't read the Bible yet, I'd actually recommend starting with John since it is a gospel targeted towards gentiles. Then read Acts and the rest of the Epistles. Revelation won't make any sense the first time you read it. Then start at beginning of Genesis. If you want a change of pace, go back and read one of the other gospels then go back to where you left off in the OT. The bible project has some great video summaries of each book that I recommend you watch them as you read each book.
Here is the first part of Bible Project's John series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-2e9mMf7E8
If you have any questions about what you are reading, Mike Winger probably has a video on it. Here is his channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7u2HaYBKDaLPcWmldxgGEA
Other great resources are Capturing Christianity and David Wallace
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ac50af No.855425
>>855420
>how do I know which form of Christianity is right though!?
Jesus gives us a standard by which to judge.
Matthew 7:
>15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
>16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles?
>17 In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
>18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
>19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
>20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.
Which Church do you see doing the most good and doing the most evil? Which tree bears good fruit? Which tree bears the most good fruit?
Similarly, which Church follows the greatest commandment?
>37 [Jesus] said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
>38 This is the greatest and first commandment.
>39 And a second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
>40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
Where do you see the most neighborly love? Where do you see the most love of God?
>>855421
>King James Version
Found the Baptist.
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9cf45b No.855427
>>855424
Dear confused friend,
If you speak english, the King James Version of the Holy Bible is the Word of God. Other translations which are worded differently are not the word of God. The sheep of the Lord hear his voice and a stranger will they not follow.
Furthermore, when you search the scriptures, you will see that there is no such thing as "god the son", "god the holy ghost", or a trinity of gods for that matter. This is why I counseled OP to stay away from the deceptions and wickedness of theology. If all you had was a Bible, you wouldn't come up with the vile and filthy doctrine called trinity.
The Bible says that there is one God and one mediator betwenn God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. And so, it would stand to reason that one God, and one Man, does not equal three persons.
The Only God there is, is God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. John 17:3
God is Holy and a Spirit. He is the Holy Ghost, and also the Word.
And since the Holy Ghost conceived the Son of God, then that would mean that the Holy Ghost is the Father of the Son of God. The Son of God is a man, not a deity.
God the Father is the Godhead. He is the only deity there is. And God was in Christ. God and his Son are one. You cannot separate them. All the fullness of the Godhead dwells in his Son. This is why the Son of God is rightly called God in the Bible. Because he is. The deity of the Son of God, is God, his Father. When you see the Son of God standing before you, you will see the Almighty God standing before you as well, because God is in Christ.
May these words be a blessing to both you and OP.
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9cf45b No.855428
>>855425
No, my friend. I am not a baptist. I am a christian. I find it strange how people call themselves baptists yet teach incorrectly about what the Bible says concerning baptism.
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7b18aa No.855431
>>855420 (OP)
You can tell this guy >>855421 is full of it because of how quickly he was identified and called out for his bias. He's not trying to convince you by being objective, he's trying to proselytize. Thus >>855427
This thread will inevitably turn into denominational poop-slinging and I doubt you'll be convinced in any direction. So I guess my only advice is to watch out for obvious biases
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9cf45b No.855432
>>855431
Stranger, is it bias to tell OP to know the truth for himself by seeking God in his Word alone in his prayer closet?
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7b18aa No.855433
>>855432
That's a loaded question. You're not just advising him to read the Bible. You're advising him to read specifically the translation with your theological bend. Moreover, you're advising him to read with the perspective that the Holy Trinity as understood by most Christians is false. Further, you're advising him to ignore the perspectives from our friends and spiritual forebears, which is contrary to Jesus' instruction in Matthew 18:15-17.
Whether you realize it or not, you're saying a lot more than "read the Bible."
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9cf45b No.855434
>>855433
I see that you have been blinded by the witchcrafts of theology. The kjv is God’s word in english and there is certainly no “theological bend in it”. But simply his Holy Word. I understand that most of professing christians hold to this false doctrine while others hold to oneness or arianism/unitarianism. All of which are false. This is because over 99.999% of christians are lost and hellbound. Because Jesus said:
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
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763942 No.855435
>>855420
I remember on the old board someone made a flowchart for this question but i didnt save it now i regret it, if someone knows what im refering to please post it.
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0d86c6 No.855438
>>855434
But you are unitarian though, according to what you wrote here >>855427
I would advise you to get right with God and stop preaching to people a false Jesus and a false god.
>>855425
>Where do you see the most neighborly love? Where do you see the most love of God?
Certainly not in a place that disdains the doctrine of Christ.
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." - S. John 14:15
>>855424
>They usually scoff at scholars
Anon, who is "they"? The translators of the KJV?
>what they dont realize is that the KJV was translated by scholars amd that many words have changed meanings in 400 years so you need to ask a scholar what those old words mean.
The part that you get off here is you don't need to ask some skinnyjeans wearing modernist so-called scholar. You don't need to ask some guy that affirms homosexuality. If you want to find true scholarship, just look at the people who provided us with an accurate translation. If you want to know what words mean, then use a dictionary written before modernism. We can find out what everything means without resorting to skinny-jeans wearing, globohomo modernists which are everywhere today. Do not look to the people who came later trying to corrupt the word of God with modern versions because they didn't accept the Bible for some reason so they had to change it in vastly different ways to suit their likings. These are people who merely claim to be scholars. Those guys are evil workers.
>My favorite translation is ESV.
The ESV has deleted entire verses out of the Bible whole cloth. Why did you fail to mention this? Are you biased? Why do you not want to mention the facts? See the attached pic.
>NET and NIV are also good.
See Isaiah 7:14
<Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
The NET changes the word for "virgin" to "young woman" in this verse. This is exactly what the false religion of Judaism tries to say this verse means.
But you will notice, that reduces this prophecy to a triviality, because plenty of "young women" who are not virgins conceive. Why would you recommend multiple different translations, some of which conflict with each other? Are you trying to tell people to trust in modern scholars only, anon, rather than the Bible as God's word? It seems like that is what you are trying to say. I don't understand why though, unless you have some problem with what something God's word says.
>if you actually read these translations you would know that they agree 100% with the KJV.
No they don't. See Colossians 2:18 for example.
Colossians 2:18 (KJV)
<Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Other versions
>NIV: Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind.
>NASB: Take care that no one keeps defrauding you of your prize by delighting in humility and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,
So you see here is an example where the modern versions remove the word "not" in their sources. Your claim is easily shown to be inaccurate. I believe I've shown it to be inaccurate before. Will you retract it or just keep on repeating lies? Do you think you do God service by making up these lies and ignoring the full entire verses being removed in the modern versions you cited? Who are you and what gives you the authority to decide that the two dozen verses that are removed from the modern version which you cited change nothing? and furthermore, to even go so far as to irresponsibly hide that fact from other people?
>The difference between the manuscripts used is mostly spelling.
No it isn't, as I've already shown. You are plainly wrong and lying here, and I have hundreds of articles of concrete evidence to prove it. Will you keep lying despite that and resisting the will of God? We read in the Bible that Satan is the father of lies, and you are clearly under his influence right now as you spew out all of these lies about the modern versions and try to hide the changes and corruptions they have made.
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0d86c6 No.855439
>>855420
OP, just read the Bible and pray.
The apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 2:18 this:
"For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father."
The apostle John told us this also,
"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."
- 1 John 2:27
Amen. I hope that answers your question. And I wish you the best and that you have a good day, OP.
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9cf45b No.855441
>>855438
No, my friend. I am a christian. Christians are not protestants, orthodox, catholics, pentecostals, unitarians, trinitarians, binitarians, arians, or oneness.
The simple truth is that the Son of God is a man who was begotten in the womb of a virgin. In this man dwells all the fullness of the Godhead (God the Father, he is the Word) in him. This is the deity of Jesus Christ.
When the Lord Jesus Christ was thirty years old, he went and was baptised in the Jordan river. God anointed his Son with his Holy Spirit. The only three persons seen in this scene are God and two men: God the Father, his Son, and John the baptist.
Ever since that day, God was manifest in the flesh. The flesh he was manifest in, was his only begotten Son. And the Son of God called the Holy Ghost which was in him "the Father in me". Why? Because the Holy Ghost is his Father. God was in Christ. This is why the Son of God is rightly called God in the scripture. Not because he is a deity "co-equal with the Father". But because the only deity there is, is in him, dwelling in his fullness.
Why is the Son of God's Name Jesus Christ? Because his Father's Name is Jesus Christ. The Son of God got his Name by inheritance.
The Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost is Jesus Christ. And it is by this Name you must be saved.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
This is the declaration of scripture.
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0a12cc No.855443
FUUUAAARRRK YOU JANNIES!
EVERY SINGLE THREAD GETS DERAILED BY ARGUMENTS WE HAVE HEARD A THOUSAND TIMES!
MUH KJV
MUH SOLA SCRIPTURA
MUH MOTHER OF GOD
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO FIX THIS BOARD BUT YOU DO NOTHING ABOUT IT!!!
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0d86c6 No.855444
>>855441
Please stop trying to associate with me. As soon as you denied the divinity of Christ, you had nothing to do with me.
You're willfully blind, anon. Philippians 2:6-11 quotes Isaiah 45:22-23, which is spoken by the Lord. He calls himself the Alpha and the Omega in Revelation 1:11.
> Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Now, try actually studying God's word, geting right with God, realizing who God is, and leave behind your cursed pride that makes you act like this against the Bible. See Colossians 2:2, 1 John 5:7. And in Colossians 1:13-17 it says this:
>13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
>14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
>15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
>16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
>17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
So then if the Son is before all things, and all things consist by Him, he is God the Son, the Alpha and the Omega, and you are unsettled and wresting Scripture unto your own destruction. Your post taught against the Bible, it taught against the above, it taught unitarianism.
>>855443
Why not just answer my question? It seems you have nothing to support your earlier claims, so why did you post at all? Just delete your post and be gone, anon. Let those who are settled in the Scriptures talk without you being here acting like this. I hope to our Lord that this has been instructive.
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0d86c6 No.855445
>>855443
You know what? You act like people are confused because they can't find the truth, but you yourself are guilty of spreading lies and causing this problem. If you would just stop posting, and stop giving people bad advice, and then get on board with the truth, then there would be less confused people in the world. But the simple fact of the matter is it's because of people acting like you who want to compromise with the world that is creating so much confusion in the first palce. If you and people like you would just stop talking, stop lying, stop deceiving… that would solve a lot. Just let us Christians who know what we are talking about discuss things from now on.
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9cf45b No.855446
>>855444
Anon, I have not, nor will I ever deny the deity of the Son of God. I have shared what scripture declares. But since you have no ears to hear, I will therefore turn to those who will hear God's Word.
May God grant you a second chance in life to hear his Word.
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0a12cc No.855447
>>855445
>>855444
I'm not going to answer your responses because that is called derailing. OP asked an honest question about what church he should go to. I gave my opinion, you gave yours. If you want to talk about how great the KJV is, start a new thread.
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71a2bc No.855448
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4b9814 No.855452
>>855435
I think most charts (at least ones I've seen on this board) are memes
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4b9814 No.855453
>>855420
I think the truth is Orthodoxy OP
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0d86c6 No.855456
>>855448
First of all, you are alluring to pride and the flesh rather than the things of God in your comment. Secondly though, your man is lying. What's going to happen is anyone who is led by the blind, such as him, who spurn the word of God, will blindly fall with him into the ditch that is hell.
>>855453
That's not really helpful.
I would really recommend OP >>855420 to check out the above comment: >>855439 seek God and his kingdom firstly, because faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17). You aren't going to get the word of God by joining a cult that doesn't follow it, it's just not going to happen. Rather than this, seek God firstly, and then you will be able to find out who is dealing justly with the Scriptures as opposed to those who just twist them to their own ends like catholicism.
I also noticed that you mentioned that there was a Baptist who showed you something out of the Bible, but the people who contradicted them did not apparently make any mention of Scripture. That should be a good reference point right away. Those other traditions are not strong in the Scripture. In 1 John 4:1, the brethren are told, "believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
Immediately after this, the apostle writes: "They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."
So then if someone is of this world, they will hear worldly things. Worldly things will end up being convincing to them. But if they are one of God's own then they will hear "us," as it says, which is a direct reference to the church that wrote the New Testament. That is why I firmly recommend, Study the Scripture, hear God's word; because this is what I follow, whereas the many other cults that claim to be churches cannot do this, because they know that the truth does not lead to them, but instead recommend you find their nearest recruiting station for further (non-Biblical) instructions. Hopefully this helps to elaborate on my earlier answer, now that there has been the chance to do so, OP.
May the grace of our Lord be with you and with the believers everywhere.
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bfa1ee No.855459
>>855456
>submitting yourself to an authority that was established by God himself is alluring the pride and the flesh.
Thinking that you are worthy to interpret the Holy Scriptures yourself is much more prideful and alluring to the flesh. While you are content to see yourself as the supreme authority on theology because you read the Bible, Catholics, even having read the Bible still place their faith in the actions of God and submit to the Church that He established even when it contradicts their own opinions. You , the protestants, are the ones who are full of pride. You worship yourselves, not God.
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0d86c6 No.855460
>>855459
>While you are content to see yourself as the supreme authority on theology
I absolutely have no idea what you're talking about, friend. As created beings, our God is our supreme authority, not men.
>still place their faith in the actions of God and submit to the Church that He established
Ok good, then why are they outside of the church? Why do all these people have to join all these manmade cults? Cults that worship other men and their manmade traditions? Join the true church for real, and God will be with you.
>Catholics
They're no different than any of the other cults. Rather than follow Biblical teachings, they serve mammon, and a worldly, wicked false prophet of their choosing named either the pope or the patriarchs. No cults follow the ordinances of our Lord with respect to what the New Testament teaches. They follow men of this world who allure them with great swelling words, laying aside the commandment of our Lord and walking after their own ungodly lusts. Those that follow them do so for carnal benefits, as they would rather listen to someone tell them what they want to hear, than submit to the unchanging, and righteous word of the Lord. The word of God, which is the holy Scripture, tells them of their sin and their need to be saved. They cast aside the warning that tells them to be humble, in order to follow after vain, sensual and ungodly men of their own wickedness instead of duly obeying the voice of our Lord which is found immediately in his word. Hopefully with that we have set the record straight on this matter.
Now may the God of peace be with you all, amen.
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883211 No.855464
>>855421
>>855427
>If you speak english, the King James Version of the Holy Bible is the Word of God. Other translations which are worded differently are not the word of God. The sheep of the Lord hear his voice and a stranger will they not follow.
There is no scriptural or historical reason to label a 17th century translation composed by Anglican clergy the one true translation. Many people will falsely appear devout by using this translation exclusively, but such things are "the commandments and doctrines of men … Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship" (Colossians 2:22-23, KJV). The King James version is a fairly accurate translation that is faithful to the translated text, but it is merely a translation produced by men. To elivate it as the perfect English translation is a man-made doctrine.
Some will point to the fact that, for many years, most English-speakers relied on the King James Version. To that I say, "For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men?" (Galatians 1:10, KJV).
Again, the King James Version is a good and accurate translation that I would reccomend for it's faithfulness to the original text. But it should not be idolized and placed above all other translations as an objective standard, for scripture says no such thing.
This person appears to reject the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity. I could go into all sorts of problems with this, but I wonder how this fellow would regard the actual translators of the King James Version - who, being being members of the Church of England, all believed in the Trinity. If the King James Version was produced by men who were (supposedly) in error, why would their translation be without error?
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883211 No.855465
>>855435
Are you talking about this flowchart?
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e14606 No.855466
It comes to down authority.
Jesus left a Church and as it says in Timothy - 'the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of truth'
Which is why said Church has authority to create the scripture cannon and tell the correct interpretation of scripture.
Scripture doesnt interpret itself, there are as many interpretations as readers therefore there needs to be God given authority to say which interpretation is correct. Example - the Eucharist is the real body and blood of Christ.
If people dont follow the authority then we have a proliferation of denominations, all it takes is someone thinking they know better, and as we are fallen creatures that happens to all of us.
Also, heresies appear all the time, so there need to be councils to address it like we see in Acts, and such has happened throughout the church's history.
'But i dont like the current pope', the church is composed of fallen creatures too and mostly reflect the quality of the faithful, we are probably the worst generation ever so we get the clergy we deserve. Carry the cross. Look at the beam in our own eyes rather than point the fingers at the clergy. Before God the excuse that we werent saintly because other people werent wont work.
The church has the true interpretations, teachings and the sacraments, whether i dislike my peers or parish priest or bishop or pope is irrelevant.
Also we can always take refuge in the lives and writings of the saints to have examples of what we are made for.
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10a4ff No.855468
>>855466
>Which is why said Church has authority to create the scripture cannon
So you reject the inspiration of God of the Scriptures then.
>and tell the correct interpretation of scripture.
So you reject the Holy Spirit who teaches all men, and place yourself in that role. By your own admission.
Materialism is your error, for not believing in God at all, but believing only and exclusively in yourself and in the works of man to save himself.
You don't really believe in God or in the church as an institution that he started. If you did, you would be following the Scripture that God inspired. You only believe in the political works of manmade institutions. You think that is how inspiration happened. You think that by your using of pious language to couch your description of manmade institutions, through which many people trash the holy word of God and express their disbelief in Him - just as the Pharisees did with their oral traditions, that this somehow makes your ultimate rejection of God's word into something godly. This is because the use of pious language to describe a materialist philosophy is the full extent of your belief in it. Unfortunately, you think that by signalling piety through copying the language of believers, you will be able to make yourself superior over others. It's just like the pharisee who exalts himself and his own in-group and their works over those who really believe in God, who believe His word and choose to repent of their sins with humility.
At the end, God will exalt those who have been humble, and will abase those who have exalted themselves. "And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted." Matthew 23:12. And this should be a warning to us, if we truly believe in the power of our Lord. Fortunately, the church and those that are saved believe all of these things. That's why you won't see them decking themselves with gold, making long and repetitious prayers to further glorify themselves, and worshipping golden idols.
And most of all you will not see them taking credit for the inspiration of God's word. Like the apostle Paul said,
>But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
>For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
- Galatians 1:11-12
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abafec No.855469
>>855444
Anon, this is the scripture, which I have not spoken against. Of a truth, the Son of God is a man who is rightfully called God because his God and Father is in him. However, the pagan deity called god the son is a false babylonian god along with its twin god the holy ghost. These two gods are false gods whom the only true God, the Father if the Son of God will destroy.
god the son is not the Son of God.
There is verily a difference.
The Son of God is real.
god the son is pagan blasphemy.
May God reveal this simple truth to you, as you come out from the papist/orthodox whore and her protestant daughters.
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8bbec1 No.855471
>>855420
well anon, without getting in "muh Mary, muh translation bias, muh I don't have bias you have" you need to understand personal salvation is possible even in the wrong path, so just pray and go to churches in search of God, and every day ask God to show you the way.
There are some important points for salvation (like baptism) that different people see it differently, but they come from the same base, so "study" it (just read the bible main points and stories) pray, ask for forgiveness and search the right path. I mean, if a bandit was saved in minutes after talking to Jesus, so can you, so do it like him (besides being a criminal lol)
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22bbf9 No.855472
>>855471
Sir, the malefactor on the cross was saved during the times of the OT. God said to Ezekiel that he would come and search out the lost sheep. And he did. When God came in the flesh. God was manifest in the flesh, that flesh he was manifest in was his Only Begotten Son (not god the son, which is a fable). This is why when Jesus healed his people and only his people, he said: Go in peace, your faith has made you whole.
This happened in the times of the OT. And so, the malefactor believed on his Messiah in the last hours of his life, and was saved.
But 50 days after the resurrection, God poured out his Spirit upon his disciples and they began to speak with other tongues. Fire appeared on their heads which signifies the start of the NT. Just like the fire on top of the mountain when God appeared to the children of Israel Exodus 20 signifies the start of the OT.
And since the NT started on the day of pentecost, the gospel of salvation was preached for the first time to all men, thus:
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." - Acts 2:38-39
This is the only way to saved.
All the epistles in the NT from Romans to Jude are written to christians, people who have obeyed the gospel and washed away their sins by the grace of God. These epistles are not addressed to sinners, but to saints. Therefore, Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 10:9, and 1 John 1:9 are written to saints. Not sinners.
Acts is the historical account. The Gospel which was preached to sinners was the same, to both jew and gentile.
"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." - Acts 2:38-39
May these words be a blessing to you.
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0d86c6 No.855473
>>855469
>>855472
Anon, it doesn't matter what you say, it doesn't change what Scripture >>855444 says.
Stop telling me that you don't worship the Lord Jesus Christ, who is both Lord and Christ. I told you in a Biblical way to stop denying His divinity in the above post. That's all there is to say about it. We agree with the Bible here. If you selectively choose to ignore it, that means you are committing heresy and should stop in all honesty associating with us as long as you do. Stop dragging the name of Christianity through the mud like this.
>>855472
This is nothing but memes from early 20th century "revivalism." Nobody has any reason to believe you. It's not in the Bible. The Gospel of Christ, is not involved in the inception of this. Just like judaizing, gnosticism and all cults. That's why you can't just tell people to read the Bible. You have to bring your heresy along for the ride by constantly repeating things that are untrue and selectively ignoring passages from the Holy Bible when they are brought up, not having an answer for them.
What does it say here about people who create heresy like what you both have posted here?
>If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.
- 1 Corinthians 16:22
>But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
- Galatians 1:8-9
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22bbf9 No.855474
>>855473
>…and should stop in all honesty associating with us as long as you do.
Very well, anon. I will depart from you and turn to those who have an ear to hear.
Farewell.
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8bbec1 No.855475
>>855474
hope they have eyes to see your lies
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883211 No.855486
>>855469
>However, the pagan deity called god the son is a false babylonian god along with its twin god the holy ghost.
Right off the bat, you misrepresent Biblical Trinitarianism. Every Trinity-believing Christian recognizes that there is only one true God. From the Athanasian Creed:
So the Father is God; the Son is God; and the Holy Ghost is God. And yet they are not three Gods; but one God.
The Bible backs up this basic doctrine;
- The Father is God (Ephesians 1:3)
- The Son is God (John 1:1)
- The Holy Spirit is God (2 Corinthians 3:17)
- Yet there is only one God (Galatians 3:20)
>Of a truth, the Son of God is a man who is rightfully called God because his God and Father is in him.
This is purely pagan blasphemy. Please repent of this nonsense, if you care for your soul. The idea that a mortal man can be called "God" is paganism.
Tell me, sir, if Jesus can be called God because the Father is in him, then can we be called God too as God is in us (Ephesians 3:19)? For any Christian, the answer is no.
>>855474
While I am glad to hear you will no longer be spreading your blasphemy here, I hope you repent of it before you spread it any further.
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5b1dd7 No.855488
>>855475
Real eyes
Realize
Real lies
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215e68 No.855489
>>855486
You claim to worship one God yet you turn around and name three gods? Do you not see the folly in your claims, sir? But I digress.
I will answer your question as if you asked it earnestly without any strife, contention, and pride.
The Son of God is called God because God is in him. He is without sin.
A christian who has the Holy Ghost (The only true God, the Father) will not become God for that is error. A christian is not without sin. He was not conceived without sin like the only Begotten Son of God was.
And so, when the Son of God was thirty years old, he went and was baptised in the Jordan river. God his Father anointed his Son with his own Spirit. And from that day forward, God was manifest in the flesh. The Word (Who is God himself as the scripture declares) was made flesh.
Amen.
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641014 No.855493
>>855489
three Gods? you have no idea how the trinity works. According to you, Jesus was born man, but since he has God in him, he is God, but at the same time nah jk he's only man, unless when he is God. The Holy spirt is God too, but let's call him ghost (kids are gonna love it) and btw he is literally God, nothing like a trinity nah nah, but He is separated sometimes.
Do you have ANY early church document that is at least 50% befitting your argument? what you say does not come from bible, does not come from Church, does not come from culture or reason, you should call yourself a pagan because that is what you are, or just declare yourself Islamic, 'cause I (and everyone here) don't see difference
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d81de4 No.855494
>>855493
The Lord rebuke you. Your blood be upon your own head. My hands are clean.
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641014 No.855496
>>855494
rebuke me? so he also rebuked all Church fathers? if what you say is true, at least one of them would acknowledge your ideas, but none of them did that. I truly fell sorry for you, but at least even the modern degenerates don't fallow such travesty of ideas.
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883211 No.855498
>>855489
>You claim to worship one God yet you turn around and name three gods? Do you not see the folly in your claims, sir?
All three of those persons - Father, Son, and Holy Ghost - are one God. This is one of the most basic aspects of the Christian faith - that the one and only God is more than one person. I am quite saddened that whatever church you went to did not introduce this concept to you.
>A christian who has the Holy Ghost (The only true God, the Father) will not become God for that is error. A christian is not without sin. He was not conceived without sin like the only Begotten Son of God was.
Seeing as God washes away the sins of the Christian (Acts 22:16, see also 1 John 3:9), your argument backfires. Are you to suppose that we become God at baptism? I don't think so.
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