bf5ddd No.854887
It is clear to me that Christianity is (small c) communistic. Even the language in Das Kapital seems to be stripped from the Bible. I think Christians have been wearied about communism because of the secular corruptions of it. Its clear in studying the antenicene church that they held all things in common just as the Church in acts did; The Church at its best is communist with the only central planner who can be trusted: God who communicates by way of his Spirit and the word. Meanwhile what I think about capitalism is like what Winston Churchill said of democracy: "its the worst system we have except for all the others". Capitalism. is something invented to control the natural man. It is a system of every man and his interests for himself and, even by the very admission of Milton Friedman and other such advocates of the free market, the aggregate effect is there are checks and balances on consolidation of power. But we as. Christians don't need to worry about such checks and balances because we've submitted to the ultimate source of truth, Christ. All this is not to say we should support communist governments. Even a Christian communist government would violate the doctrine of the Two Kingdoms (the antenicene doctrine that the church should never become a political entity CATHOLICS!!!). The whole point of this post is to alert you to the danger of mingling Christianity with capitalism. Keep in mind the proving ground for capitalism was the freemasonic American revolution. In fact there is almost certainly a direct line to be drawn between the "invisible hand" of Adam Smith and the luciferian "hidden hand" of freemasonry and the only question is how mystical the connection is. Capitalism has led to social ills of every sort and it is now even helping to promote the seemingly opposed agenda of cultural Marxism. All and all there is little difference between secular communism and 'christian' capitalism. They are both satanic corruptions of the truth.
I see an ongoing theme in the world thanks to listening to ex-satanist John Ramirez, the fact that the devil makes counterfeits. Through Bethel and Hillsong and the Word of Faith movement, he has created a satanic corruption of the true Spirit-filled church. Part of this corruption is an essentially capitalist message, God will favor your pursuit of wealth and another man's poverty is his own lack of faith in 'god's' 'invisible hand'. Another aspect of this movement is of course counterfeit tongues and counterfeit prophecy and all other types of Charisma. Just like with secular communism, the devil has pointed to his own demonic works and created the impression for some that there are no gifts at all, and that there is no spiritual warfare. We must be wise as serpents to the devil's schemes and see that neither capitalism nor cessationism are supported as Christian doctrine by the Bible. We cannot let his clever wiles get the better of us and get us to abandon biblical truth, just because he's done his worst to make it look bad. Amen.
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241f33 No.854890
You are mixing a lot of truths and wrongs which is not surprising as there are so many theorists and doctrines out there.
Luckily Catholic social teaching would solve a lot of the problems which plague the world: http://www.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_15051891_rerum-novarum.html
Also recommended: http://www.vatican.va/content/pius-xi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xi_enc_19310515_quadragesimo-anno.html
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6a04ee No.854891
Incoherent post
Anarcho communism is an oxymoron. All communism is predicated on theft, the communist party invariably becomes the government.
The church in acts shared with one another voluntarily.
Marx was an uber kike
Free market economics is the only system not predicated on force, therefore the only biblically compatible system. This includes so called "distributism", which is on inspection just socialism.
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5cb2d3 No.854905
>>854887
Communism and capitalism are materialistic ideologies. Pure capitalism is based on greed while pure communism is based on envy. Trying to define Christianity as being in favor of one or the other is retarded because greed and envy are both sins to begin with. There are times when government intervention is needed and times when it is very not needed. Government activity is essential during times of war but the government regulations put in place to stop the current pandemic are pointless and achieve nothing good. Sharing resources with whoever needs them is good but not always a viable option so making it law to share everything you have with everyone would only result in more poverty than before which is bad. There is no 'good' economic system only good people.
>(the antenicene doctrine that the church should never become a political entity CATHOLICS!!!)
God should dominate all things especially law. The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism. The Church should be the highest authority on the planet because it is the tool that God uses to enforce his will on Earth; not because He needs it but because in His infinite wisdom that is how He chose to govern His people.
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3e9048 No.854909
>>854891
Who said anything about anarchy? If you consider God's sovereign rein over His church to be anarchy, then you should examine yourself to see if you are even in the faith. The post wasn't 'incoherent', you were just too lazy to read it. At least repent of breaking the 9th, read the OP and admit your laziness and dishonesty.
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3e9048 No.854910
>>854891
But I 100% agree with you and you 100% agree with me. You just aren't aware of it yet because you clearly went all 'tl;dr' on the post which condemned Marx and any communist organization but also condemned even the very spirit of capitalism which is pure self-interest. Once again, the rule of the proletariat is impossible and indeed any form of anarchy is impossible. You will serve some master no matter what you do as the Bible says. But the truth is to replace Joseph Stalin with God. Its not that the principles of a system entirely opposite to the revelation of the New Testament in its entirety becomes better.
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6a04ee No.854913
>>854909
That's the term for communism without government, which is what was advocated
If you think political anarchism entails rejecting divine sovereignty you should read a book before trying to correct someone else
>>854910
We don't agree. You're adopting marxist language while offering no productive alternative. Empty criticisms.
Capitalism is the biblical model because properly defined it means non-interventionism. Any alternative means theft and coercion. The sermon on the mount, the second greatest commandment, and all the law condemn the initiation of force.
Visit the libertarian christian institute
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39ae1d No.854921
>>854905
>that is how He chose to govern His people.
The thing you got wrong here is that the stuff from the cult entity you are referencing does not substitute for the Holy Bible.
Yes, when Christ returns this will indeed be fulfilled. But you however are not God, while the entity you are referring to (catholicism) is actually in this instance Antichrist, not Christ. Neither are they the church, but a cheap imitation - They don't read or follow the Bible. We can see it as they, those people, have also killed true Christians in a quest for self-glorification. That's the problem with that. So with that, stop conflating yourself with God. It is blasphemous.
>>854910
If you think there is some kind of dichotomy between communism or capitalism, that is only because you think distribution of resources is the ultimate end. Actually, everything is in control of our Lord. It doesn't really matter what you theoretically think is the best government, we are all fallible as the other anons have suggested in their posts. The only workable solution in the end is God as the overseer. But another thing, material goods, which is what especially progressives obsess over, are simply things that are going to rust and corrupt. As Christ said in Matthew 6
>19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
>20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
>21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
Hopefully that all made some sense for you. The false dichotomy of communist/capitalist has the wrong focus, on the material wealth of this world. Often times, people with the right focus are accused of being "captialists" or other things by kabbalistic theorists, who cloak themselves behind things like progressivism, liberalism, or communism. These talmudists are both liars as well as materialists and pathological false accusers. In other words, they both stand for and advocate the synagogue of Satan itself.
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aa5ba5 No.855315
>>854921
>stop conflating yourself with God.
I did no such thing. It is a sin to bear false witness. Repent.
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39ae1d No.855318
>>855315
>God should dominate all things especially law. The moment The Church relinquished…
There, he just equated the two.
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b056cc No.855479
>>855318
Wrong. The Church is simply God's method of governing His people as I explained here >>854905
>it is the tool that God uses to enforce his will on Earth
Nothing about that statement equates The Church with God. Stop lying, it is a sin. Now repent.
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366393 No.855481
>>855479
Let us take a quick look at this discussion.
OP says:
>But we as Christians don't need to worry about such checks and balances because we've submitted to the ultimate source of truth, Christ. All this is not to say we should support communist governments. Even a Christian communist government would violate the doctrine of the Two Kingdoms (the antenicene doctrine that the church should never become a political entity CATHOLICS!!!).
Therefore, we submit to the ultimate source of truth: Christ. Again, "My kingdom is not of this world," as our Lord said. But, one person objects to this—
>>854905
>God should dominate all things especially law. The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.
Here in this reply post, we see that Christ, (who is God) is equated with the Church. Apparently it's not sufficient that we have submitted to the ultimate source of truth, Christ. Or rather, the poster equates his own organization with Christ, and therefore, God. There, now you see the context of how the two were equated by that post and poster.
If you want to though, please feel free to tell us that your organization is not literally Christ, and therefore God, if you disagree with this. Otherwise, you must not have any disagreement then, and I was right from the beginning: You have equated yourselves with God, as you see no difference between yourselves and God. The choice is up to you whether to disagree with this - and go back on what you said before— or say nothing and just brazenly continue to equate yourself with God.
Because, so far… I haven't actually seen you deny it. You've only claimed that's not what you said. But you never actually claimed that equating the two was incorrect. So I'm calling you out here. Please Affirm or Deny that you equate yourselves with God.
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53ee31 No.855482
>>855481
I should add, that in the church we are called the body of Christ (I Corinthians 12.27, Ephesians 4.12), and Christ Himself our head (Ephesians 4.15, 5.23, Colossians 1.18).
We have one head, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and one Christ who is over all, Amen.
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b056cc No.855499
>>855481
The Church is not God, as I have explained THREE TIMES now. The Church is a tool that God uses to govern His people.
>>God should dominate all things especially law. The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.
>Here in this reply post, we see that Christ, (who is God) is equated with the Church.
No matter how many times you say this, it is still false. There is objectively no aspect of my statement that implies that the The Church is God, yet you insist that I equate The Church with God. You are bearing false witness and you need to stop because that is a sin.
>Apparently it's not sufficient that we have submitted to the ultimate source of truth, Christ.
You have not submitted to Christ because you still resist and even defame His Church that He personally founded.
>If you want to though, please feel free to tell us that your organization is not literally Christ, and therefore God, if you disagree with this. Otherwise, you must not have any disagreement then, and I was right from the beginning: You have equated yourselves with God, as you see no difference between yourselves and God. The choice is up to you whether to disagree with this - and go back on what you said before— or say nothing and just brazenly continue to equate yourself with God.
>Because, so far… I haven't actually seen you deny it.
Likely because you completely ignored all of my posts like you will ignore this one. Even in my original post you took so much exception to, I clarified that The Church is a tool that God uses to enforce His will. Is a craftsman the same thing as the tools he uses? No, he is not. The only possible way you could have interpreted my statement to mean The Church is equal to God is by being purposefully intellectually dishonest.
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53c6e7 No.855515
>>855481
Proverbs 14:7-8
"Go from the presence of a foolish man,
When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge.
The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way,
But the folly of fools is deciet"
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53c6e7 No.855516
>>855482
Paul explains this in many places.
In the same sense a man and a wife are one body with each other, the church is one body with Christ. We the bride, Christ the bridegroom. Just as the husband is the head of the household, Christ is the head of the church.
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d06d09 No.855517
>>855516
>>855515
Yeah anon, you're probably right. We aren't gonna get a denial or affirmation here. Only more deflection. I suppose more than enough of a chance has been given to this matter if the other anon had wanted to provide a real answer here in this friendly, relaxed format he certainly could've.
>>855499
>You have not submitted to Christ
Anon, the Lord Jesus is Christ, not you or your leaders. He is the head of the church, not your leaders. He is God, not you or your leaders or yourselves collectively. The thing you talk about, the church that Christ founded, I'm in it. I am in that church. Everyone who has been saved is a son of God, and those that follow his ordinance are part of the church today by valid administration of the ordinance of baptism. That is why Paul says "One Lord, one faith, one baptism." So that's the amount of everything we have to say here, other anon.
God bless every reader and may your eyes be opened, as the Lord says in Scripture: "he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord."
AMEN
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ed84d0 No.855537
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f7e2e6 No.855555
>>854891
>kike
very cute /pol/yp
>The church in acts shared with one another voluntarily
problems of poverty are never solved by a voluntary sharing of resources in christian nations, that says a lot about christianity
>Free market economics is the only system not predicated on force, therefore the only biblically compatible system
the system that sucks at solving the problem of poverty, lolbert much?
>>854905
>Government activity is essential during times of war but the government regulations put in place to stop the current pandemic are pointless and achieve nothing good
what do you mean by that?
>The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.
and the age of unprecendented peace and prosperity commenced
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4cee2d No.855635
>>855555
digit thief faggot gtfo
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bad56b No.855647
>>855555
>problems of poverty are never solved by a voluntary sharing of resources in christian nations, that says a lot about christianity
Problems of poverty are never solved, period. There will always be poor people but their problems can be eased with charity.
>>Government activity is essential during times of war but the government regulations put in place to stop the current pandemic are pointless and achieve nothing good
>what do you mean by that?
I mean that government intervention is sometimes necessary but more often it is not.
>>The moment The Church relinquished its political power, Europe began its decent into secularism.
>and the age of unprecendented peace and prosperity commenced
When did that ever happen? Europe is more secular now than ever before and everything is terrible.
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