5d3889 No.853966
Are there any Leftist Christians here?
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c5772e No.853967
Well, I think acts 2:42-47 clearly shows capitalism has merely been smuggled in as a Christian ideal. Maybe its just the worst system we have besides all the others but these verses are clearly advocating for a truly communistic society (realized by the ministration of the Holy Spirit of course, that's the key). But obviously Christians must be socially conservative and opposed to identity politics and Marxism.
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1d5176 No.853968
>>853967
>But obviously Christians must be socially conservative and opposed to identity politics and Marxism.
Isn't the concept of identity politics part of Marxism? Either way, Christianity is very loving towards humanity, it could find solidarity in even the godless parts of humanity against Satan's kingdom on earth, just in my opinion. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
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c5772e No.853969
>>853968
Well, identity politics is about getting together to hate certain races, sexual orientations and a certain gender. And there was no class warfare in the early church. Rich and poor Christians all came and worshiped together.
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70a69e No.853970
>>853969
Identity politics is both the right-wing and the liberals/neoliberal and how they feed off each other, which does include racism, but also oppression Olympics, sexual orientation and protected classes, sexism and feminism. Idpol is a distraction to class issues.
>And there was no class warfare in the early church. Rich and poor Christians all came and worshiped together.
Originally the Israelites had no king but God, but foolishly they wanted a King even though God warned them of corruption.
>Psalm 146:3 Don't put your trust in human leaders; no human being can save you.
Also Jesus said
>Matthew 19:23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus also rejected the Kingdoms of the world when Satan offered them to him, telling him you will only worship God.
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19d417 No.853972
Nibba marx hated christianity and had poems to the devil and works as a system to disrupt any orderly society, I can't see how the political left is in any shape or form compatible with Christianity, I even went to /leftypol/ on bunkerchan and they say the same exact thing.
Now there have been arguments of Christianity being compatible with the right but even there is kinda iffy.
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a882eb No.853976
>>853972
>I can't see how the political left is in any shape or form compatible with Christianity,
Christianity is actually pretty flexible.
>I even went to /leftypol/ on bunkerchan and they say the same exact thing.
You have to ask actual Christian communists, most of /leftypol/ are non-christians.
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6797a5 No.853981
>>853968
>Isn't the concept of identity politics part of Marxism?
Eh, not really. Considering there's not been a single Communist nation in history that affirmed homosexuality.
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6797a5 No.853982
>>853967
An economically left-wing society that's socially conservative and opposed to Marxism on principle is basically the core of Fascismo.
Based.
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2db53e No.853989
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>>853972
The Old and New testaments have a pretty good foundations for Christian Anarchism.
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596101 No.853992
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fb41d3 No.853993
>>853982
>An economically left-wing society
What do you mean by this, like communist or socialist? And how could it be economically left wing and oppose marxism. Sounds like right wing authoritarian.
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cf6c82 No.854044
>>853989
>The Old and New testaments have a pretty good foundations for Christian Anarchism.
Israel had a King and Paul clearly teaches that authorities are necessary for a pious society. Anarchism has no place in Christianity.
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faea8f No.854056
I don't see how you can send the state goon out with a gun to rob the working man and give the money to yourself and call yourself a christian.
Render unto Caesar, yes; but when Jesus said give to the poor, he didn't say do it with a gun to his head.
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3c9439 No.854066
>>853966
Yeah, they exist. Ironically all the ones I know that are, are Catholic. They love the current pope, and all that he as done. I just find it almost unbelievable.
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f30942 No.854068
>>854044
>Israel had a King
You didn't watch the video i posted, it was kind of long so i don't blame you, but it answers this. Yes the Israelites had a King and God told them it would be bad, and it was.
>1 Sam. 8:10-17 These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen to run before his chariots; and he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his courtiers.
>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
>Psalm 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.
> Paul clearly teaches that authorities are necessary for a pious society.
Can you give me an example?
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faea8f No.854070
>>854066
Liberation theology is not Catholic. Socialism is against Catholic dogma. They're just pretending to be Catholic. Catholics have believe the whole thing, or they're not Catholic. That includes the Council of Basel.
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e1c7a2 No.854080
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cf6c82 No.854090
>>854068
>>1 Sam. 8:10-17 These will be the ways of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and appoint them to his chariots and to be his horsemen to run before his chariots; and he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and some to plow his ground and to reap his harvest, and make his implements of war and the equipment of his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive orchards and give them to his courtiers.
>>1 Samuel 8:7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
Doesn't support your position. Your interpretation implies that God commanded Samuel to commit an evil against Israel by installing a king over them. God doesn't command anyone to do evil. Also Chapter 16 of The Book of Samuel tells us that God specifically instructed Samuel to visit Jesse and anoint David as king which means that God hand selected a king for Israel and therefore intended for there to be a hierarchy in His kingdom.
>>Psalm 146:3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save.
This is only saying that earthly leaders are corruptible and cannot give you salvation.
Verses in support of hierarchy:
Romans 13:1 "Let every soul be subject to the higher powers for there is no power but of God and the powers that be are ordained of God."
1 Peter 2:13 "Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority."
Proverbs 8:16 “By me princes rule, and nobles,
All who judge rightly."
Proverbs 20:28 "Loyalty and truth preserve the king,
And he upholds his throne by righteousness."
>>854080
Thomas Jefferson was an atheist. His opinion on scripture, even though he viewed it positively, does not matter.
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917fcc No.854099
>>854090
>Your interpretation implies that God commanded Samuel to commit an evil against Israel by installing a king over them.
I fail to see why you think this? God was just warning the Israelites about the king they wanted.
>Also Chapter 16 of The Book of Samuel tells us that God specifically instructed Samuel to visit Jesse and anoint David as king which means that God hand selected a king for Israel and therefore intended for there to be a hierarchy in His kingdom.
King David also falls to corruption, despite originally being humble to God.
>Romans 13:1 1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God
Many translations of Romans 13:6 uses the world servants, even the world "minsters" implies the governing authorities are at the service of the general public, just like ministers of a church. The critical part of the quote is "there is no power but of God" And even then God sometimes listens to his followers (despite not changing). So if the governing authority works outside of service to God, then you have the blessing to disobey it.
>1 Peter 2:13
>16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Once again, submit yourself as servants of God. servants to god implies as horizontal hierarchy with God being the supreme power.
>Proverbs 8:16 “By me princes rule, and nobles, All who judge rightly.
>Proverbs 20:28 "Loyalty and truth preserve the king, And he upholds his throne by righteousness."
Key words are "Rightly" and "by righteousness".
>I bow before the authority of exceptional men because it is imposed upon me by my own reason - Mikhail Bakunin What is Authority.
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52cccf No.854102
>>853989
Mind doing a quick run down.
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ef5788 No.854110
>>854102
The video's description is a pretty good summary.
>Broadly speaking, an anarchist society is
>1. a non-coercive anti-hierarchical society….
>2. …achieved without the traditional state apparatus…
>3. …in which members choose voluntarily to participate.
>Christian anarchism is a form of anarchism based on Christian principles. Like other forms of anarchism it is non-hierarchical in structure, voluntary in participation, and communal in organization.
>Christian anarchism is strongly egalitarian and socially revolutionary, rejecting any ethically unjustifiable hierarchies, and recognizing God as the only supreme authority. Christian anarchism emphasizes voluntarism and freedom of conscience, rejecting any forms of social organization by force, and typically upholds a strong separation between church and state.
>Christian anarchism also opposes military conscription and participation in the military, but promotes civil disobedience, passive resistance, and revolution by personal example rather than coercion. Leo Tolstoy was an early Christian anarchist, and his book “The Kingdom of God Is Within You”, published in 1894, was an influential work on the movement. Gandhi himself acknowledged being influenced by Tolstoy.
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55acd4 No.854364
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6ddc40 No.854383
>>854364
liberation theology is a false gospel that shouldn't even be called christian
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