/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

ΕΙΣ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΠΑΤΡΟΣ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΥΙΟΥ ΚΑΙ ΤΟΥ ΑΓΙΟΥ ΠΝΕΥΜΑΤΟΣ ΑΜΗΝ

>picture of hitler

Cringe

The icon on the left hanging on the wall is the same I have as well - a very beautiful piece of Byzantine art. I understand you having a portrait of Hitler but the problem is he, especially during his later years of reign, hated on Christendom in general and Catholicism in particular. Though what he stood for, Traditionalism in family values and economics, is not wrong.

>>852040

Hitler's problem with the German Catholic Church was that it was infested with Liberation theology, aka "communist".

>>852085

Hitler's problem with the Catholic Church is that he couldn't completely rip of Mussolini in every way, so he had to replace it with Protestantism

>>852085

>>852110

>>852099

He was anticlerical and likely an atheist. Catholic priests literally died in his concentration camps and he harassed the Church. He promoted a form of Christianity heavily fused with Nazi ideology called Positive Christianity, and also was sympathetic to German Neopaganism promoted by some of his generals like Himmler. He used Christianity solely for political purposes since he couldn't just throw out what had become the religion of European peoples, it was nothing more than a means to and end to him. Please, stop putting your politics over your faith, Hitler was an antichrist. If you can't admit that then go back to /pol/.

>>852146

All antichristian rhetoric supposedly said by Hitler comes from a 1980s propaganda piece called Hitler's Table Talks that was supposedly written by a random secretary that somehow overheard Hitler giving opinions that contradict everything else he ever said

If you read his actual work, it's very clear that he was a dedicated Christian

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."

"Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence, and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

All from Mein Kampf.

And Himmler was not even a pagan, his religious views can only be described as 'mystic' as he was mainly influenced by Oriental faiths such as Hinduism and Buddhism, and even regularly read the Qur'an. But many times he did praise Christianity and was not hostile to it, only the Catholic Church.

And anti-Catholic does not mean anti-Christian, the Third Reich was completely anti-Catholic, but it was a hardcore Protestant state.

>>852146

>He promoted a form of Christianity heavily fused with Nazi ideology called Positive Christianity

Positive Christianity wasn't a form of Christianity, it was a bland non sectarian cultural stance

https://archive.org/details/positive-christianity-in-the-third-reich-by-cajus-fabricius_201906

>>852147

Good post

>>852099

Please explain why you think that Hitler was trying to "rip off" Mussolini. For example, I don't know much about the Italian Fascist party, but I don't think they tied the money supply to the labor supply to keep the money supply from being manipulated by the bankers like the Germans did

>>852146

>Catholic priests literally died in his concentration camps and he harassed the Church.

Many of those Catholic priests were criminals. The Church says one wasn't and made that priest a saint. That priest was arrested for helping Jews avoid the deportation to concentration camps and eventually Palestine (or Madagascar when the Brits stopped the jews immigrating to Palestine per the Transfer Agreement with the Zionist) and idea that was consistent with Church Dogma which taught that Jews, heretics and pagans should be separated from the faithful

>>852147

This, really.

Hilter was the most lied about man on the planet until Trump came along.

Parts of Table talk are true, other parts entirely faked. It was authored by the guy who falsely claimed the Hitler Diaries were authentic and they too werefake.

Reminder that Hitler is evil. You know it because the Synagogue of Satan told you this.

That's a bit unfair, tho. Based on what you were told; trying to take over the world, genocide of all people who are not blond and blue eyed, pagans, etc. These are works of the devil. But if you read his book, they're not true.

Consider that Germany was chopped up by the British after WW 1 and made their slave state. Britain seized all of Germany's agricultural colonies in Africa to expand the British Empire which had over 1/4 of the human race under it's boot. It was the Brits who told you Germany was trying to take over the world. Germany didn't even control all of Germany and had no colonies. They invaded France after France declared war and invaded Germany.

>>852196

You're joking right? He literally copied the Roman salute that had never been used in all of Germanic history, only because Mussolini used it.

But as far as banking goes, Fascist Italy actually nationalized all the major banks to completely control them

>>852147

Is it not true that Hitler hated Christianity?

That's what I always used to see on /pol/ - that all of Hitler's pro-Christian statements were public statements he made in order to win the Germans over. Based off of my vague memories off of what I read on /pol/, he hated Christianity and held it as responsible for weakening the German people. While I myself have not properly researched Hitler's life, I'm quite certain that when one considers the veracity of the statements made regarding this matter, Mein Kampf is a terrible resource to turn to. IIRC, even /pol/ considers that book to be pure propaganda and mere beginner's material if you wish to become a true National Socialist. Truly, as Mein Kampf was a book created for the masses Hitler was addressing, if Hitler truly was feigning his support of Christian values, that book is not what you should be relying on to back up your claim that he did support them. That and any of his public statements or speeches. We would need to examine things like private letters I believe.

>>852207

>Based off of my vague memories off of what I read on /pol/, he hated Christianity and held it as responsible for weakening the German people. While I myself have not properly researched Hitler's life, I'm quite certain that when one considers the veracity of the statements made regarding this matter, Mein Kampf is a terrible resource to turn to. IIRC, even /pol/ considers that book to be pure propaganda

Never mind what Hitler actually said in his book and his speeches as that is propaganda, some jews told you all about him and that is what is to be believed.

Given recent events and the Gospel, I don't think this is the most likely hypothesis.

>>852207

It is not true. Its allied propaganda and neopagan revisionism.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200414044419/http://www.nobeliefs.com/Hitler1.htm

>Mein Kampf is a terrible resource to turn to

Dumb standard

>>852206

You have to be coping very hard if you can't see that Mussolini and his party were the main inspiration for Hitler and the NSDAP

In 1923, the Fascist party of Italy adopted the Roman Salute

In 1926, the NSDAP of Germany adopted the Roman Salute

In 1922, the Fascist party took over the government in a popular coup

In 1923 the NSDAP attempted to take over the government in a popular coup

In 1919 the Fascist party formed the Blackshirts, a paramilitary wing to defend the party

In 1921 the NSDAP formed the Brownshirts, a paramilitary wing to defend the party

In 1925, Mussolini took the simple legal title of 'Leader' (Duce)

In 1933, Hitler took the simple legal title of 'Leader' (Führer)

There's not a single part of the NSDAP that was original, except for its specifically racial rather than cultural view.

>>852216

The Chancelor asked Hitler to form a government, it was not a coup. He tried a Coup of sorts, the Beer Hall Rebellion. That got him thrown in prison.

Democrats formed Antifa, therefor they're copying Mussolini. No, they're not. Everyone and his uncle was going around forming paramilitary groups to defend themselves because the Antifa and other communist at the time were going about murdering people.

Leader is now fascist? Oh please.

As for the "racial" thing, that was very common at the time that this or that ethnic group (genetics + culture) had different values and wanted to govern themselves. The French and English were more extreme at this than the Germans. The idea was "ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer" one people, one government, one leader. Not at all uncommon in Europe that was just getting over having kings and queens rule them.

I find it sad that there are so many /pol/-tier anons on this board who actually believe Hitler was a good Christian or person at all. What a shame. But then again, I guess that's what you have to expect on a chan.

>>852229

It has nothing to do with faith, just one's understanding of history and matters of fact.

>>852229

Yes this is what you can expect on a chan. Take your moralizing back to reddit.

I don't believe Hitler was a good guy. I also don't swallow anti Hitler propaganda. Why are you avoiding what we've shared with you?

>>852232

Also stop pretending like you're taking a middle position or a non-extremist position on Hitler, because you're really not. Look, I get it, you want to be edgy and

>le rebel against the modern world meme

But it's not actually doing anything good for Christianity or for the gospel, it's undermining it. But anyway, good day sir.

>>852238

>the Jewish authorities told us he was evil, so he must have been

You really would have been the kind of person to beg Pilate to crucify Christ

>>852236

>muh true scotsman fallacy.

Not an argument, because it's a fallacy.

> I don't feel like wasting my time of this

And here you are, still wasting your time with ad homs, hate and other fallacies.

>>852240

This really. And they didn't beg, they blackmailed him by threatening to lie to Caesar and to start a revolt that would kill many other innocent people. Pilate could find no fault in Christ and resisted the jews. Pilate sacrificed Christ for the innocent jews who would suffer from a revolt and for the sake of his soldiers.

>>852110

Lets get this clear.

I don't hate hitler by any stretch of the imagination despite some atrocious decisions he made.

But the fact when you look into positive christianity he purposely removed the old testament removing the words of GOD simply because it was a negative jewish element of the bible.

Hitler was not pro christian, his support of abortion depending how good the genetic make up of the child is is not supported by God.

>>852147

Nibba in table talks Hitler claimed Christianity to be weak and flabby compared to islam and we don't need to know anyone who has read the beliefs and scripture. And behaivour and what's acceptable to them and I think nearly everyone here knows what islam stands for and what is about and the fact hitler called it a warrior culture, should tell you something even though writings will view him as a kuffar and any land that isnt islamic is an enemy land according to shariah manuals and other solid doctrine.

Hitler knew his stuff that man is obviously intelligent but sometimes he does make idiotic statements especially when another religion was taught to hate you by birth no matter what and to use you primarily for worldly benefits and not as a friend and to see you lower than animals.

>>852244

Are you still trying to use a 1980s propaganda piece written by a random secretary in circumstances that make no sense, as evidence of anything Hitler said?

>>852244

Table talk has large portions that are known fakes. We've already covered this; Table Talk is not a legit source.

>>852147

Nevermind just re read your comment.

Alright but they are some things in the national socialist ideology that is not compatible with Christianity.

>>852247

Alright even if we were to remove table talks and the debate about it's authenticity even though many natsoc circles including /pol/ natsoc threads and /pnd/ here has said other wise, they are still some of the things he said in mein kampf that clearly contradicts christianity and read some of it with the Ford translation.

>>852249

Any examples?

>>852251

Give me the best translation of mein kampf online because I am still reading it in the ford translation just to make sure everything else is the same.

>>852241

>Not an argument, because it's a fallacy.

I have a feeling you don't actually understand what that means since that fallacy applies to what you're arguing right now.

>And here you are, still wasting your time with ad homs, hate and other fallacies.

Yep, confirmed you don't actually understand what any of those fallacies mean. It's funny, you just accused me of avoiding, but now you're basically telling me to winnie the pooh off when I actually make any sort of response. Great leap in logic there, Hans.

>>852252

Even the Ford one is awful, but it's the 'least worst'. The best thing you can do is compare with the German original whenever you doubt what the text says, google translate should be good enough for that

>>852240

No it's just called doing the historical method correctly.

>>852256

Fair enough

>>852238

You're really obnoxious

All I've done is point out the very mainstream and non controversial facts that Hitler did not hate Christianity and positive christianity wasn't a cult. I cited an atheist anti Hitler rationalist to make this point.

>good sir

>I'm not from reddit

Like come on man

>>852255

>I have a feeling

emotional appeals are not an argument. Your feelings about me aren't an argument.

>Yep, confirmed you don't actually understand what any of those fallacies mean

Okay. You just lying now.

>>852256

Been reading the best translation how ever some of his criticisms on how Christians conduct them selves in missions speaks true to today.

"An examination of the religious situation before the War shows that the

general process of disruption had extended to this sphere also. A great

part of the nation itself had for a long time already ceased to have any

convictions of a uniform and practical character in their ideological

outlook on life. In this matter the point of primary importance was by

no means the number of people who renounced their church membership but

rather the widespread indifference. While the two Christian

denominations maintained missions in Asia and Africa, for the purpose of

securing new adherents to the Faith, these same denominations were

losing millions and millions of their adherents at home in Europe. These

former adherents either gave up religion wholly as a directive force in

their lives or they adopted their own interpretation of it. The

consequences of this were specially felt in the moral life of the

country. In parenthesis it may be remarked that the progress made by the

missions in spreading the Christian Faith abroad was only quite modest

in comparison with the spread of Mohammedanism."

Although missions in both asia and africa were not in vain as Christianity right now are rapidly growing in both and some maybe due to persecution.

>>852147

>If you read his actual work, it's very clear that he was a dedicated Christian

There's nothing specifically christian about those quotes.

You could arabise the terms a bit, and it'd be completely in accordance to Islamic theology.

And extrapolating from his other declarations, it seems his theological views are a sort of semi-interventionist deism where God's purpose is forcing the races to brutalize and massacre each other to prove their genetic worth.

The dude literally worshipped nazism.

>>852242

>But the fact when you look into positive christianity he purposely removed the old testament removing the words of GOD simply because it was a negative jewish element of the bible.

This.

When you wanna remove most of the Bible, and turn Christ into some germanic bastard who came here to wage a race war, you are such a blashphemer, heaven is crying out for your head.

However Hitler is simply to fixated on race and would discard religious reasons or even the spiritual about the jews when they are just as more important than the race the Jews belong to.

"History furnishes us with innumerable instances that prove this law. It

shows, with a startling clarity, that whenever Aryans have mingled their

blood with that of an inferior race the result has been the downfall of

the people who were the standard-bearers of a higher culture. In North

America, where the population is prevalently Teutonic, and where those

elements intermingled with the inferior race only to a very small

degree, we have a quality of mankind and a civilization which are

different from those of Central and South America. In these latter

countries the immigrantswho mainly belonged to the Latin racesmated

with the aborigines, sometimes to a very large extent indeed. In this

case we have a clear and decisive example of the effect produced by the

mixture of races. But in North America the Teutonic element, which has

kept its racial stock pure and did not mix it with any other racial

stock, has come to dominate the American Continent and will remain

master of it as long as that element does not fall a victim to the habit

of adulterating its blood.

In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following:

(a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered;

(b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but

steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap."

Genesis 1:26 God says, “Let Us make man (adam) in Our image, according to Our likeness.”

Romans 3:23

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

Galatians 3:28

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>>852275

Also just in case any hispanic person are on this site and larp as national socialists.

I suggest you folks to read this.

https://www.mundorepubliqueto.com/2020/05/06/la-estupidez-del-nazi-hispano/

https://www.mundorepubliqueto.com/2021/01/06/cuidado-con-el-mestizaje/

Alright moving on.

"For the establishment of superior types of civilization the members of

inferior races formed one of the most essential pre-requisites. They

alone could supply the lack of mechanical means without which no

progress is possible. It is certain that the first stages of human

civilization were not based so much on the use of tame animals as on the

employment of human beings who were members of an inferior race.

Only after subjugated races were employed as slaves was a similar fate

allotted to animals, and not vice versa, as some people would have us

believe. At first it was the conquered enemy who had to draw the plough

and only afterwards did the ox and horse take his place. Nobody else but

puling pacifists can consider this fact as a sign of human degradation.

Such people fail to recognize that this evolution had to take place in

order that man might reach that degree of civilization which these

apostles now exploit in an attempt to make the world pay attention to

their rigmarole."

"That is how cultures and empires decline and yield their places to new

formations.

The adulteration of the blood and racial deterioration conditioned

thereby are the only causes that account for the decline of ancient

civilizations; for it is never by war that nations are ruined, but by

the loss of their powers of resistance, which are exclusively a

characteristic of pure racial blood. In this world everything that is

not of sound racial stock is like chaff. Every historical event in the

world is nothing more nor less than a manifestation of the instinct of

racial self-preservation, whether for weal or woe."

"But if that policy be carried out the final results must be that such a

nation will eventually terminate its own existence on this earth; for

though man may defy the eternal laws of procreation during a certain

period, vengeance will follow sooner or later. A stronger race will oust

that which has grown weak; for the vital urge, in its ultimate form,

will burst asunder all the absurd chains of this so-called humane

consideration for the individual and will replace it with the humanity

of Nature, which wipes out what is weak in order to give place to the

strong."

Matthew 5:5

Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth.

"et me explain: Man must not fall into the error of thinking that he was

ever meant to become lord and master of Nature. A lopsided education has

helped to encourage that illusion. Man must realize that a fundamental

law of necessity reigns throughout the whole realm of Nature and that

his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He

will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a

world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and

planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the

masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them

or be destroyed. Man must also submit to the eternal principles of this

supreme wisdom. He may try to understand them but he can never free

himself from their sway."

Genesis 1:26

Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

>>852290

>>852147

> Third Reich was completely anti-Catholic, but it was a hardcore Protestant state.

This is incorrect

>>852361

I read an article about a person thanking moloch for parenthood and that got me so angry and a middle of all that the media puppets talking nons top that we need to all accept the vaccine.