7f8e80 No.846128 [Last50 Posts]
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7f8e80 No.846147
As you can see I have a large collection
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91229b No.846852
I have a few of my own.
The question becomes is Pope Frances a bad Pope (and there have been many sinful Popes, no argument there) or is he an Anti-Pope
The answer can be found in any ex cathra pronouncements he made. A true Pope would not contradict any prior infallible Pope, that would mean one Pope was not Pope. I'm not sure of what Pope Francis has said, and I'm afraid to look.
What I do see is that from his unofficial teaching, he is less of the True faith and more of the popular sense of morality e.g. "don't bred like rabbits" and "focus less on abortion".
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91229b No.847042
>>846228
Before the Vatican fell, jews were not allowed to kiss the Papal right, they had to kiss the Pope's foot if they wanted an audience.
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627416 No.847044
>>846852
So a pope can hypothetically teach all sorts of heresies as long as he doesn't declare any of them ex cathedra and catholics would still consider him valid?
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91229b No.847055
>>847044
</sarcasm>The Pope must be perfect in every way. If he ever says something wrong, he is obviously not Pope. All Catholics who follow a Pope who is wrong are damned to hell forever. I wish I was a protestant, they're perfect all the time.</sarcasm>
happy?
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627416 No.847057
>>847055
I'm asking an earnest question
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627416 No.847058
>>847055
Also your html is broken, you ended sarcasm twice
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91229b No.847096
>>847058
You're right about that. My bad. There can be no forgiveness from such transgression.
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55d417 No.847099
>>847096
Grace abounds brother
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22b3c1 No.847475
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91229b No.847477
>>847475
There once was a time when not only did the Pope not hide the Crucifix from anyone, but a non christian e.g. a Jew, was not allowed to kiss the papal ring and had to kiss the Pope's foot.
The Rothschild loan and the loss of the Papal states was a great victory for the devils.
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786f14 No.847478
>>847477
>the pope literally hides Jesus Christ from the Jews to avoid offending them
How can anyone be a Roman Catholic in good conscience in this day and age? THIS is supposed to be the vicar of Christ??
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22b3c1 No.847479
>>847478
You would either have to look the other way or have a low view of the role of the pope. In fairness to Catholics there have been a variety of views of the pope within roman catholic church history, all the way from essentially a figurehead to "submit to the pope or be damned".
The trouble with this question today is that you can pick through the historic statements regarding the pope to form the theology you want, kind of like the US presidency.
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91229b No.847481
>>847478
The Catholic Church worships God, not a Pope.
Not even sure that Jorge is really a Pope; he seems very poorly catechized witnessed by his Pachamama idols, claiming Jesus was fully human on earth, his new sins against Gaia… .
We have two of them, you know. The last Pope that I'm sure of is Pope Pius XII
But the Pope doesn't matter at my pay grade. I go to mass, get the sacraments, read the Bible and study Church teachings.
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22b3c1 No.847482
>>847481
So why do you you willingly submit to him, and possibly the even more corrupt people beneath him in the hierarchy?
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0b680e No.847486
>>847478
It has been bad for a long time. Really since Constantine it has been bad. You just have to look past the propaganda.
>>847479
Yes there have always been many undercurrents. Since around the time of the investiture controversy, any undercurrent of thought has been permitted as long as it didn't seem to undermine papal ambitions in any way. This includes printing the talmud for kabbalists to study during the renaissance while burning Bibles wholesale.
And of course, letting the violent go free while burning any people who wants to worship in a regular church setting that isn't polluted by irregularity and idol worship.
Plenty of false accusations have been prepared well in advance for such situations, supposing the people killed were dead and therefore, could not defend themselves from the charges. So in the final judgment, when Christ comes to judge the world, much will be revealed that many people never realized (or never wanted to realize but could have if they simply read the word of God).
Luke 8:17 - "For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad."
>The trouble with this question today is that you can pick through the historic statements regarding the pope to form the theology you want
Yes, it's no different than any other state church that infant-baptizes and changes other things. They can always pick and choose whatever manmade saying sthey want and say those are the authoritative ones.
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786f14 No.847487
>>847479
>In fairness to Catholics there have been a variety of views of the pope within roman catholic church history, all the way from essentially a figurehead to "submit to the pope or be damned".
The latter has been official church dogma since Vatican I
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8e4ae3 No.847521
>>847487
Only if the Pope is speaking Ex Cathedra and Pope Francis has never done so. I believe it's only been done twice in history.
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786f14 No.847524
>>847521
Ex cathedra means from the seat, meaning any time he is acting in an official capacity. That is what official Roman Catholic church dogma is, regardless of the fact many papist armchair apologists think it means when they want it to be ex cathedra
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8e4ae3 No.847554
>>847524
None of what Francis has said has been Ex Cathedra though. He was even rebuked by the Bishops. I'm not a Catholic. I'm just telling you what their doctrine is. Those "Papist armchair apologists" are right, are they not?
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786f14 No.847582
>>847554
>None of what Francis has said has been Ex Cathedra though
See: the post you were responding to
>He was even rebuked by the Bishops
Means absolutely nothing. He's in charge
>Those "Papist armchair apologists" are right, are they not?
No
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22b3c1 No.847586
Where can we find an objective meaning of "ex cathedra" according to the roman church?
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8e4ae3 No.847600
>>847582
>See: the post you were responding to
When has the Catholic Church recognized what Francis said as dogma?
>Means absolutely nothing. He's in charge
It means it wasn't Ex Cathedra so not everything he says is automatically Ex Cathedra and infallible.
>>847586
Ask a Catholic.
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167ab2 No.847606
>>846129
should've depicted them with AKs and chopped off heads
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167ab2 No.847609
I love this thread, it just posts the facts. A thread like this would've been deleted on old /christian/ aka /catholic/ the instant it was created.
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8e4ae3 No.847617
>>847609
Why does Catholicism vs. Orthodoxy matter? TradCaths are more based than Fordhamite Orthodox. Traditional Orthodox are more based than Jesuits. Why the need to fight and antagonize?
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22b3c1 No.847618
>>847617
Because those are two competing theological worldviews, but around here he's referencing a time when you weren't allowed to say anything mean about catholics but there was a huge double standard about everyone else. The moderation was partisan and arbitrary.
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0ba68b No.847689
>>847618
>Because those are two competing theological worldviews,
Traditionalism vs. Modernism and Synagogue of Satan is more important than interdenominational squabbles.
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22b3c1 No.847711
>>847689
Ok
You can still have debates about ancillary issues
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0b680e No.847740
>>847600
Exclusively the apostles spoke ex cathedra. Their writings were inspired by God. We have them today in their uncorrupt form thanks to the preservation by God of his inspired word.
Anyone else who attempted was doing so fraudulently, and other writings outside of the specially preserved-by-God Scripture were not inspired by God. They are inherently fallible, therefore, and there is no guarantee non-inspired writings have not been forged, corrupted over time as different scribes added or removed things, and/or gravely misinterpreted (see 1 Peter 1:23-25). Only scripture can be guaranteed not to have been altered this way, see again 1 Peter 1:23-25. Also Isaiah 40:8 from which the apostle Peter quotes from.
People who don't believe in Scripture will start to believe in manmade sayings instead and start to look for ways to get rid of scripture. It is only thanks to God that they have not destroyed it already, because they have certainly tried. For instance, in 1229 they banned all Bibles and tried to burn all non-corrupted copies, but they did not succeed because it still exists today. The KJV is an accurate translation of this original version of Scripture.
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22b3c1 No.847757
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1d0d7e No.847767
>>847609
This is my first time on this board since years, so this blatant shilling is allowed now? where are the catholics of old so I can leave this s—hole immediately
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22b3c1 No.847769
>>847767
They're literally just headlines
You didn't sage btw
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1d0d7e No.847770
>>847769
Yeah I winnie the poohed up, but seriously this place is different now, more like that s-hole /christianity/. This s- gets posted everytime in cuckchan
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d36397 No.847777
>>847773
>Lurk
d-did something happened? I used to love /christian/…
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d36397 No.847780
>>847773
>lurking
I'm not liking what I'm seeing, this place would be better dead, it was a pleasure /christian/ the protestant dogs ruined this place. Peace out.
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4532dc No.847815
>>847767
>>847770
>>847780
>angry that you're allowed to criticize the pope
>leaves in a huff because this isn't his safe space
So this is the power of papism…
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e91ec0 No.847845
>>847815
To be fair, they are the guys who, originally, would rather just drop bombs and explode people that they didn't like, and invented the inquisiton to kill those that disagreed with them, rather than have civil discussions. The ideas of internet, discussing the merit of ideas, originally comes from non-cathos. And especially of not being censored by political elites.
They would rather just the biggest bully should simply censor and kill to solve all disagreements. So that sort of is where they are originally coming from.
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152442 No.847917
>>847815
LOL when the caths start ordaining women and have gay bishops like the prots do then you can talk!
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bcc0f4 No.851145
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91229b No.851156
>>851145
Moloch promises good health if you'll just sacrifice your child by brutal butchery in the womb.
Let's hope that Francis was taken out of context, but I fear he wasn't.
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