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f5086a  No.836473

Cultivating a sense of hatred and anger might be used for good if vented at the appropriate times. Anger, in general, is a passion, and as I see it, maybe somewhat unneccesary in general life as well as in one's convictions, if one has any strength they shouldn't need anger to rouse them to the right thing, and of course we are commanded not to let anger or hate or anything like that grow within us, at least not towards other people. But is there a value in trying to wield and cultivate a very real and live hatred to wield when confronted with sinful thoughts? When we see porn, when we see blasphemy, when we see things that by nature are to pass by our watchfulness; we are often conditioned in certain entirely psychological ways to respond. That's why I ask; can anger be helpful in this way? If so, how exactly? There is a right, intended use for most things human beings carry within, no? Only how these things, emotions, capabilities are used make up the person.

In repentance, while this would be different from humbling oneself, but it doesn't have to be. We should be better than that; and we don't have to dignify ourselves in front of sin, so such an approach should not interfere with the workings of repentance, right? I feel it is only an aspect of denying temptations which has escaped me all this time, and I think that's common. You can't exactly punch a lustful thought, but to exercise anger against it, you are in a way forced to retire inwards to do so. I don't know exactly, I'm only thinking of this now.

It appears to me scandalous that I should have known times when I have cursed my fellow man and even family members, where to say how I should know better would be such an understatement, yet I let these temptations pass over me passively and with ease. Am I on the wrong path of thinking here, and at risk of cultivating a passion of anger just in general, or do you think it's right? Have you had a similar experience where you could tell the difference between two approaches? The thread is vague and abstract, I know, and I'm sorry, but basically, tldr, is this the right use of anger? What is the right use of anger? I often struggle also with this on top of everything else and would like to know more…. Do you agree, do any writings come to mind? That's more what I'm asking I suppose.

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f5086a  No.836474

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To clarify, it also seems to me I shouldn't suppose something as truth especially when talking about something like anger which is often very harmful in spiritual manners, and that I am not doing the wrong thing when I resolve something like this, when I am for example hit with lustful thoughts, which I know so intimately, and I know so intimately to have ravaged my life completely, to respond with rage…

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8e892a  No.836475

>>836473

I'm sure there's a positive channel for anger, but I don't think I know it. I've thought so at times, but it turns out to be wrong. I also had a horrible temper in my unsaved past, and got in a lot of fights, so it's a part of me that I wish to be extra careful not to adopt again.. so I'm probably the worst person to speak about it positively, considering how I associate it.

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619e34  No.836477

The path to hell is paved with the devil's arguments for a little sin.

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997509  No.836481

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3e5247  No.836503

>>836473

No, anger is never useful. It's too easy to justify anger with religion or any other good thing, and so hide its true nature from yourself. As a habit, anger is to be feared more than any one instance of sin, however terrible.

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6e81f2  No.836564

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>>836473

Jesus said those who serve him would be hated by the world and as usual it's me supporting Aquinas vs the world.

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87a543  No.836569

I don't think so. Don't let sin dominate your mind in any way.

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8dbdee  No.836620

>>836564

Aquinas didn't believe in the Immaculate Conception. He was wrong sometimes. He's not the last word in Christianity, nor was he ever infallible. He is a doctor of the church, yes, and some of his teachings were elevated by the popes, but you shouldn't blindly pay him heed. The scriptures largely condemn anger.

https://www.openbible.info/topics/anger

It is possible to be hungry for justice and yet not be angry.

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50f535  No.836623

I don’t understand why everyone here goes back and forth about this. Anger is a normal human emotion. The Father, The Holy Spirit, and Jesus Christ get angry all the time. At our actions, at the actions of the world, when they hear a false teaching in any church, they get angry. We are built in God’s image, and so there’s healthy anger. As humans we also have traumas we work through, those traumas create much anger in our minds. Before I looked at this thread I was angry in my mind at a person I once knew. I’m still angry to this day at this person. I still know why I despise this person. But it’s not like I’ll strike him in the face, even if I could. This person is a fool. I remember why I judged him to be one. Till this day, 11 years later, with all that I have learned I still dislike this person. But, if he was to apologize, that anger in me would go away. Anger and hatred are two different things. To tell people anger is a sin is clearly a lie. Neither is hatred a sin depending on the reason. Anger when left unchecked can turn into sin through violence. That is the point we must never reach. That is what’s forbidden.

To tell people they are not allowed to be angry even in their hearts is overstepping our boundaries. Our hearts have a mind of their own, specially with trauma. Much of the back and forth I see going on in this board is due to the inability to see the difference between what goes on in the mind and what we do with our actions. It is wrong to tell others anger is a sin. Anger is just an emotion. Hatred is a heavier form of it. But it only becomes sin when we work unrighteous violence through it. There are also people that I will never befriend because they refuse to get angry when they see something that must produce anger. Even God said in the last days He will mark all those who are not upset at the injustices around them. Yes, God judges us when we do not show anger toward injustices. There is no righteousness without anger in it’s proper place. Jesus’ anger in the temple was rightouse. Many here would consider it a violent rage, a serious sin. Reality is not as simple as many here want it to be. The Truth is not black and white. In acts there’s a chapter that speaks of Paul and Barnubus involved in a ‘sharp burst of anger’. Did they sin? No. It never says they struck each other. Even if they sinned, that would teach us that it’s impossible to control that sin sometimes. Why would any mature Christian force an ideology on anyone that the saints, while performing miracles in city to city, couldn’t uphold themselves? Anger a sin? What proof is there of this? None. Ideally, it would be nice to not get angry. But God never told us not to have anger. He only told us to not get angry at specific things. What is definitely wrong is when our anger gives birth to violence. Even that is not all black and white, depending on the event that causes that anger.

I don’t understand many of you and where you get these ‘hollier than thou’ ideas. A lot of you sound like Pharisees, and I don’t say that out of anger. I say that from my perspective. From many of your perspectives I am a lost Christian, if you would even call me that. But listening to some of you, judging normal human emotions, gets me no closer to God than before I entered into debates with you all. In fact, if I were to doubt my own ability to hear The Holy Spirit’s voice on much of these matters and listen to you people instead, I wouldn’t want to worship God at all. Much of what many of you say sounds much more like the laws of the Pharisees, laws that all men are guilty under. Should I be angry at those of you that are are modern day Pharisees? Am I allowed to have free will? Do we not all get angry? First you people say we can’t be violent, then you say we can’t be angry, tomorrow you’ll say we can’t be annoyed. If I am on a wrong path in life then practically none of you are helping me at all. The way you all debate over the simplest imperfection makes our God look very unjust and cruel.

Here’s what The Holy Spirit tells me, “Get angry when needed, go ahead and hate when needed, when the situation calls for it get violent, when in the midsts of foolish people, be hardheaded. Do not love everybody, do not love all people who come in the name of Christ. Hate the sinner because he is who he is because of those sins. Don’t judge people on what they do in their minds, judge them on what they do to others”.

I rather listen to this voice. Frankly, many of the voices here are engaged in nothing but empty talk. I wish for all of you the same gift I have. Many here do not believe I have The Holy Spirit. That is because your as confused about the requirements of having it as you are of everything else.

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50f535  No.836624

>>836477

>>836503

>>836569

>>836620

I’m sorry but all of you are wrong. You like to view many things as black and white and you judge those who see in color. The mind is the mind, an imaginary world. The physical world is the one God judges us on. I tried my best to stay out of this. I couldn’t. Are you going to get angry? Are you going to call me a devils advocate? If you were to call me one, wouldn’t that be a product of anger? Would you not show anger to the devil and his subjects if you uncovered them? You either need to explain yourselves better, or accept the truth.

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d3b796  No.836641

>>836620

You're literally committing the exact same fallacy nucatholics were called out for in the Catholic general. >>836403 >>836488

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8dbdee  No.836750

>>836624

>The physical world is the one God judges us on.

<>You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:27-28

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50f535  No.836761

>>836750

What is it about ‘in their heart’ that’s hard for you people to understand? We all commit a lot more than just adultery in our hearts. Also, if your single you wouldn’t call it adultery, you’d call it fornication in the heart. Doing things in our hearts is the definition of being imperfect. No one alive is innocent in their hearts. Why do many of you lie to others about this? If you are not committing adultery in your hearts you are still definitely committing something else, like murder or idolatry in your hearts. We all sin in our hearts. Who here can say they have never sinned in there hearts? Just because Jesus mentioned adultery does not mean you can do other things in your hearts and not have it be just as sinful. But no ones allowed to judge others for what goes on in their hearts. Jesus only said that to prove to others around him that even the Pharisees were sinners, the Pharisees wanted everyone to think they were perfect, like many of you here want others to think you are. It’s a lie your pushing. All Christians must give to God whatever it is they can possibly give Him. But, simultaneously every Christian must accept that perfection can not be achieved. You can’t focus on one sin and ignore the rest. We all have a different weakness. Yet many of you want to cast a stone that you yourselves are not qualified to cast because you would also be stoned by similar laws. ‘In their heart’? Why add that clause if it’s just as bad as acting out a sin in real life?

The truth has always enlightened the people of the first century. Many felt comforted after certain things were clarified by the apostles. When someone tries to comfort you, you take it as a smooth reasoning by the devil. I assure you the devil prefers your kind of reasoning. Unfortunately there’s no way I can get though to many people here. But know that you’ve been warned. You may throw whatever stones you wish on another while keeping the sins you carry in your mind/heart a secret. Just know that Jesus will judge you for pushing an opinion on others that you yourself cannot successfully abstain from. What Jesus said doesn’t just apply to fornication/idolatry. It applies to all sin committed in the heart. Can you honestly say you’ve never sinned in your heart any sin at all. Are you going to allow yourself mercy for killing in your heart or idolatry in your heart, just because Jesus didn’t emphasize those things? If you commit no sin at all in your hearts then cast your stones. If you do, your still free to cast those stones, but don’t expect mercy from God for doing so.

I used to cast stones at others for sins I was guilty of as well, I assure you it will come at a cost. I’ve felt the heavy hand of God in my life for such a crime. I promise you, your in danger of stirring God’s wrath for what your teaching others on this matter. Be good to yourself and accept what you are in your heart/mind. We all are either a fornicator, an idolater, or a murderer in our hearts. Can anyone here say they are none of these things? In all honesty? The laws tell us what we should aim for, what’s right and what’s wrong. No where does it say perfection is achievable. Not even a single apostle was perfect. Why do you all ignore this fact? Do you think you are the only ones that have failed in your hearts? Let me tell you all a secret you all keep from each other. We’ve all failed. Every single person here has failed to be perfect in their heart. I know this about all of you. Every one knows. Why are you all lying? You are also imperfect. You don’t have to tell us what you all do in your hearts, just know that everyone knows the other is also guilty. Not one is perfect. Do you think, just because you haven’t told anyone, we don’t know you sin in your hearts? Everyone sins in their hearts. Yes, it would be nice to be perfect. No one is though. Not a single person in here. Everyone has a weakness. Why do you all feel the need to judge one weakness and not the other? What are you doing? Have you ever taken a step back and looked at your selves properly? Do it today in deep prayer.

Don’t let misfortune fall on you all as it did to me. I wish there was someone to tell me these things when I was younger. I was punished even when there was no one to teach me what I’m trying to teach you today. Benefit from my mistakes! I learned a harsh lesson in my life, and without warning. I warn you today! Don’t test God’s wrath. I got smacked down and truly, I had no idea what I was doing was wrong, I though I was doing what God wanted me to do. Take a look at yourselves, know that God knows everything that you’ve done in your hearts, even the things you’ve forgotten. Now throw whatever stone you wish.

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50f535  No.836762

Jesus Christ! We all know! We know everyone is a sinner in their heart! Wether it’s this sin or that! That’s is the very definition of imperfect! Who do you all think your fooling? Not God, that’s for sure.

With every weakness I’ve had over the years, I’ve never fornicated in real life, I’ve never bent a knee to a single idol, I’ve never murdered a single person. These things The Father has helped me to successfully stay away from. I preach to others the keeping of the laws God has perfectly helped me to commit to. That is all. I preach to others what I know God will help them perfectly with. I know God gives us all a thorn on the side, I don’t preach to people that having a thorn is a mortal sin. Go ahead and preach to others what your also unsuccessful in keeping, it will come at a cost.

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