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804012  No.834717

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28ccad  No.834719

I remember you posting in the orthodox general.

Have you read Book 4 of The Life in Christ by Cabasillas? His view of Eucharist as continuation of Baptism is interesting.

Were the Eucharist not a manifestation of Christ, should we not say the same about Baptism not actually having the Holy Spirit?

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804012  No.834721

>>834719

No. I havent. Tell me more about him

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28ccad  No.834728

>>834721

He is a 14th century theologian from Saloniki. He is from the last decades of the Byzantine Empire when humanism was growing rapidly.

The back of the book I have reads something like this:

>His main purpose was affirming man's true life is not in himself but anchored outwards in Christ. For him, redemption cannot be elucidated by scholarly endeavor but ought to be participated by the a person's fullness through the sacramental life of the Church.

I have this book and his "Commentary on the Divine Liturgy". They are short, 230 pages and 120 pages.

I'm shilling because they are really good.

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c430ff  No.834746

Interesting article but its very hard to follow. You need to do some proofreading and editing. Pushing many of your inline quotations to the footnotes would be a major help.

Your thought process seems to be:

>1: The last supper can be established as a passover meal

>2: The passover meal was more than memorial

>3: Taking the Lord's supper provides a real presence

You discuss eschatological symbolism and I can only tell the objective is to support the last supper as related to passover.

I do not see 2 proven in the article. I also see the use of language that zwinglian memorialists can happily affirm which you're using to describe real presence.

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804012  No.834762

>>834746

2 is proven by concepts of making the salvific past present and contemporary which I am pretty sure that I mentioned and explained in the article

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c430ff  No.834765

>>834762

It wasn't convincing to me but maybe it could be made more clear

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804012  No.834769

>>834765

hmm perhaps so.

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804012  No.834770

>>834728

This would be beyond my scope but I wont mind giving it a read. Also yes, I do think if a father says Baptism is regenerative, that would have implications for the Eucharist as well as both are instances where union with Christ occurs.

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28ccad  No.834792

>>834770

Well, in the orthodox general you said your interest with Communion came from quarrels with boomer non-denoms who say it is merely poetic flair. Perhaps a way you could bring peace to yourself is by seeing that if the Eucharist were this, then so would the descent of the Holy Spirit during Baptism.

People who deny the Eucharist will only hit you with the "that's not the same, bro", though.

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