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>>820915

>There are slight to major different beliefs for each branch, but so long as you go to a church that says that Jesus is God, you’ll be fine

I OBJECT

>>820918

“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, EX CATHEDRA, 1302.)

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, EX CATHEDRA, 1441.)

Not me speaking, but the Vicar of Christ.

>>820921

>you MUST follow the Roman Pontiff or you're not saved

>t. Roman Pontiff

Are you serious right now?

>>820912 (OP)

If you want to be a Christian, then being a Roman Catholic is the surest way to go. Jesus gave St. Peter the keys and founded it upon him, quotes from the Fathers of the Church prove this.

t. CLEMENT

The Epistle to Corinth

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm

Chapter 59

If, however, any shall disobey the words spoken by Him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and serious danger;

Chapter 63

Right is it, therefore, to approach examples so good and so many, and submit the neck and fulfil the part of obedience, in order that, undisturbed by vain sedition, we may attain unto the goal set before us in truth wholly free from blame. Joy and gladness will you afford us, if you become obedient to the words written by us and through the Holy Spirit root out the lawless wrath of your jealousy according to the intercession which we have made for peace and unity in this letter.

St. IGNATIUS OF ANTIOCH

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Romans

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0107.htm

Greeting

Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that wills all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ our God, which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of obtaining her every desire, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love, is named from Christ, and from the Father, which I also salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father: to those who are united, both according to the flesh and spirit, to every one of His commandments; who are filled inseparably with the grace of God, and are purified from every strange taint, [I wish] abundance of happiness unblameably, in Jesus Christ our God.

Ch 3

You have never envied any one; you have taught others. Now I desire that those things may be confirmed [by your conduct], which in your instructions you enjoin [on others].

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/ignatius-romans-lightfoot.html

Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her that hath found mercy in the bountifulness of the Father Most High and of Jesus Christ His only Son; to the church that is beloved and enlightened through the will of Him who willed all things that are, by faith and love towards Jesus Christ our God; even unto her that hath the presidency in the country of the region of the Romans, being worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of felicitation, worthy of praise, worthy of success, worthy in purity, and having the presidency of love, walking in the law of Christ and bearing the Father's name; which church also I salute in the name of Jesus Christ the Son of the Father; unto them that in flesh and spirit are united unto His every commandment, being filled with the grace of God without wavering, and filtered clear from every foreign stain; abundant greeting in Jesus Christ our God in blamelessness.

Alternate translation by Fr. Casimir Kucharek

"To the Church…that presides in

the district of the Romans, and which is worthy of God, worthy

of honor, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise,

worthy of credit, worthy of being deemed holy, and which is

the head of the union of charity i.e., of Christendom. "

ST.IRENAEUS OF LYONS

Against Heresies (Book III, Chapter 3)

Section 2

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103303.htm

Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority [potiorem principalitatem].

And many more.

>>820979

Some more just for kicks, later ones after a couple of Ecumenical Councils.

ST. AMBROSE

http://www.tertullian.org/fathers/ambrose_letters_05_letters41_50.htm#Letter42

LETTER XLII. [A.D.389.]

TO THEIR LORD, THEIR DEARLY BELOVED BROTHER, POPE SIRICIUS, AMBROSE, SABINUS, BASSANIUS, AND THE REST SEND GREETING.

1. In your Holiness' Letter we recognized the vigilance of a good shepherd, for you faithfully guard the door which has been entrusted to you, and with pious solicitude watch over the fold of Christ, being worthy to be heard and followed by the sheep of the Lord. Knowing therefore the lambs of Christ, you will easily discover the wolves, and meet them as a wary shepherd, so as to keep them from scattering the Lord's flock by their unbelieving life and dismal barking.

2. We praise you for this, our Lord and brother dearly beloved, and join in cordial commendations of it. Nor are we surprised that the Lord's flock was terrified at the rage of wolves in whom they recognized not the voice of Christ. For it is a savage barking to shew no reverence to virginity, observe no rule of chastity, to seek to place every thing on a level, to abolish the different degrees of merit, and to introduce a certain meagreness in heavenly rewards, as if Christ had only one palm to bestow, and there was no copious diversity in His rewards.

ST. BASIL OF CAESAREA (329 - 379)

Letter to the Bishops of the West

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3202090.htm

The good God Who ever mixes consolation with affliction has, even now in the midst of my pangs, granted me a certain amount of comfort in the letters which our right honourable father bishop Athanasius has received from you and sent on to me. For they contain evidence of sound faith and proof of your inviolable agreement and concord, showing thus that the shepherds are following in the footsteps of the Fathers and feeding the people of the Lord with knowledge.

The Lord has also extended His consolation to me by means of the reverend deacon Sabinus, my son, who has cheered my soul by giving me an exact narrative of your condition; and from personal experience of his own, will give you clear tidings of ours, that you may, in the first place, aid me in my trouble by earnest and constant prayer to God; and next that you may consent to give such consolation as lies in your power to our afflicted Churches.

ST.JEROME

Letter 15

Section 1

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001015.htm

Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord, "woven from the top throughout," John 19:23 since the foxes are destroying the vineyard of Christ, Song of Songs 2:15 and since among the broken cisterns that hold no water it is hard to discover "the sealed fountain" and "the garden inclosed," Song of Songs 4:12 I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church whose faith has been praised by Paul. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. The wide space of sea and land that lies between us cannot deter me from searching for "the pearl of great price." Matthew 13:46 "Wheresoever the body is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matthew 24:28 Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact.

Section 2

Yet, though your greatness terrifies me, your kindness attracts me. From the priest I demand the safe-keeping of the victim, from the shepherd the protection due to the sheep. Away with all that is overweening; let the state of Roman majesty withdraw. My words are spoken to the successor of the fisherman, to the disciple of the cross. As I follow no leader save Christ, so I communicate with none but your blessedness, that is with the chair of Peter. For this, I know, is the rock on which the church is built! Matthew 16:18 This is the house where alone the paschal lamb can be rightly eaten. Exodus 12:22 This is the Ark of Noah, and he who is not found in it shall perish when the flood prevails.

Letter 16

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001016.htm

The untiring foe follows me closely, and the assaults that I suffer in the desert are severer than ever. For the Arian frenzy raves, and the powers of the world support it. The church is rent into three factions, and each of these is eager to seize me for its own. The influence of the monks is of long standing, and it is directed against me. I meantime keep crying: "He who clings to the chair of Peter is accepted by me."

May you be blessed and shown the truth of the Lord.

>>820981

I truly can't help myself.

ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM

Homily 88 on the Gospel of John

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/240188.htm

John 21:15

1. There are indeed many other things which are able to give us boldness towards God, and to show us bright and approved, but that which most of all brings good will from on high, is tender care for our neighbor. Which therefore Christ requires of Peter. For when their eating was ended, Jesus says to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonas, do you love Me more than these? He says unto Him, Yea, Lord, You know that I love You."

"He says unto him, Feed My sheep."

And why, having passed by the others, does He speak with Peter on these matters? He was the chosen one of the Apostles, the mouth of the disciples, the leader of the band; on this account also Paul went up upon a time to enquire of him rather than the others. And at the same time to show him that he must now be of good cheer, since the denial was done away, Jesus puts into his hands the chief authority among the brethren; and He brings not forward the denial, nor reproaches him with what had taken place, but says, "If you love Me, preside over your brethren, and the warm love which you ever manifested, and in which you rejoiced, show thou now; and the life which you said you would lay down for Me, now give for My sheep."

John 21:19

"This spoke He, signifying by what death he should glorify God."

He said not, "Should die," but, "Should glorify God," that you may learn, that to suffer for Christ, is glory and honor to the sufferer.

"And when He had spoken this, He says, Follow Me."

Here again He alludes to his tender carefulness, and to his being very closely attached to Himself. And if any should say, "How then did James receive the chair at Jerusalem?" I would make this reply, that He appointed Peter teacher, not of the chair, but of the world.

John 21:20-21

"Then Peter turning about, sees the disciple whom Jesus loved following; who also leaned on His breast at supper; and says, Lord, and what shall this man do?"

2. Wherefore has he reminded us of that reclining? Not without cause or in a chance way, but to show us what boldness Peter had after the denial. For he who then did not dare to question Jesus, but committed the office to another, was even entrusted with the chief authority over the brethren, and not only does not commit to another what relates to himself, but himself now puts a question to his Master concerning another. John is silent, but Peter speaks. He shows also here the love which he bare towards him; for Peter greatly loved John, as is clear from what followed, and their close union is shown through the whole Gospel, and in the Acts. When therefore Christ had foretold great things to him, and committed the world to him, and spoke beforehand of his martyrdom, and testified that his love was greater than that of the others, desiring to have John also to share with him, he said, "And what shall this man do?" "Shall he not come the same way with us?" And as at that other time not being able himself to ask, he puts John forward, so now desiring to make him a return, and supposing that he would desire to ask about the matters pertaining to himself, but had not courage, he himself undertook the questioning. What then says Christ?

God bless Chrysostom.

>>821026

Where did the Catholics stray?

>>820912 (OP)

You can figure out Catholicism is basically the only option by ruling out other denominations;

>Protestants believe the Bible is infallible (It is)

>Compilation of this Bible was done by the Catholic Church

>Therefore this Church, at the time at the very least, must of been the true Church, else the Bible was made by a false religion pretending to be the true Church

>This early Church had the Eucharist and the Communion of Saints, which Protestants reject and call heresy

>Therefore by their own admission Protestantism is self-defeating

>Orthodox deny the Filioque and Papal primary

>From scripture we can see that Peter is called by Christ the rock on which he will build his Church (Matthew 16:18) in addition to telling him specifically before his ascension into heaven to "feed his lambs" three times (John 21:15-17) additionally, Peter is mentioned by name several times in scripture apart from the other disciples i.e. (Mark 16:7)

>Additionally in scripture the procession of the Holy Spirit from both the Father and the Son is implied by John 20:22 (Jesus breathing on the apostles for them to receive the Holy Spirit), Acts 16:7 and Philippians 1:19 referring to the Holy Spirit as "The Spirit of Jesus" in addition to other verses such as Matthew 28:20. Isaiah 63:8-10 heavily implying this fact, with Isaiah 63-10 literally calling the Holy Spirit "His" in reference to Jesus

>>821057

These are all obscenely low-tier Prot memes. Read a Catechism.

>>821055

The catholic church didn't "make the Bible", they simply recognized its authority as every other denomination does. The books aren't infallible because some organization says so but because they are written by God, and all we've done is recognize that authority when we include certain books.

>>821068

Certain uninteresting things are best not to waste your time on. God bless anon.

>>821082

That God didn't like* (or think were prudent for the masses, you can still read many if you like, Hermas is good for all ages).