adae0d No.820319
Are we called to repent for the sins of others in addition to the sins of ourselves?
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404cb6 No.820322
>>820319
Yes. We are called to do penance and atonement for both. And remember, to always repent one day before you die.
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adae0d No.820323
>>820322
Can you clarify your use of the word “atonement,” e.g. is there a difference between repenting for someone/doing penance for someone and “atoning” for them?
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24ad39 No.820324
>>820323
Penance is about taking on a self imposed punishment. Atonement is about making up for something/righting a specific wrong. So they can be linked but they don't have to be.
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adae0d No.820325
>>820324
When would they ever not be linked? How are they each related to repentance in general?
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24ad39 No.820335
>>820325
Let's say you open your car door in a carpark and ding the car next to you. No one sees but you drive off. Later you feel guilty, so you go back there. If you can't find the car but give $100 to charity you're doing penance but you're not atoning. If you find the car and give give the money to the owner you're atoning.
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fe5751 No.820337
>>820319
Metonoia is a change of heart and mind, a redirection of motive and thought toward your Creator. Once you 1. love God with your all, you inherently 2. Love your bro as equal to yourself and as manifestations of God.
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962a67 No.820348
>>820319
Yes you can. I offer up Rosary’s constantly as reparation for my families sins and reprobate ways. When you go to mass offer it up as reparation. When do the Sacraments of Communion and Reconciliation offer them up as reparation. The whole point of the First Saturday devotion is offering up reparations. The act of fasting is you paying reparations or paying reparations for others.
Heck you can offer up the work you do in a day as reparation for the rampant sins of Sloth.
Look around you at the rampant sin committed daily and ask yourself does this please the Lord? Of course not these things displease the Lord God take up the cross and pay the reparations for those sins for our Lord Jesus Christ showed you the way and payed a price in innocent blood for the salvation of souls. You to will need to pay for the sins of the sinners and apostates for they are unrepentant and Jesus is still suffering greatly in that garden sweating blood for he prayed for the sins that had come and those that were yet to come.
Do penance for your soul and reparation for others for the Lords wrath is Just and he has used the blood of martyrs to purify and consecrate the holy places.
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d6c86e No.820518
>>820335
I see. Of course there is the clear obligation to make while anyone whom you may have wronged. But why would anyone do penance or repent for the sins of anyone else? As >>820322 seems to suggest?
>>820337
Cool thought, saving for later. But still whence comes the obligation to repent and do penance for the sins of someone else, even if you did love them?
>>820348
>Heck you can offer up the work you do in a day as reparation for the rampant sins of Sloth
<Do nothing all day as reparation for the rampant sins of Sloth
Lol
Don’t you think Jesus has already suffered, and risen, and fully paid?
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bab1ed No.820546
You cannot repent but you are called to mourn for the sin of others. If you read the Catena for "Blessed are those who mourn", first of the mourning means mourning for yours sins, and then someone says how much more blessed are those who mourn for the sins of others. St. Francis would weep all night or something for the sins of others. If you aren't really lamenting in some sense at the sins of others today you haven't progressed there yet.
Having said that probably liberals are lamenting that more Christians aren't having their daughters convert to Islam and so forth so yeah I'm talking about real Catholics not fake liberal Catholics who are lamenting about not cucking hard enough.
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262f87 No.820558
>>820546
>second paragraph
Lol
Question: Why mourn something you’re not guilty of or repenting over? In principle.
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bab1ed No.820576
>>820558
Doesn't it kill you to see Christians literally happy that their daughters are converting to Islam? Doesn't it hurt you to see those churches saying taking down their crosses so that they don't offend Muslims? That's what it is. Doesn't it hurt you to see someone's daughter become a filthy whore? And so on. Some people just don't give a shit as long as they are having a good time. They don't care about society.
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bab1ed No.820577
>>820576
Why did Jesus mourn in the garden of gethsemene? He had no sins or no guilt. Same thing. If you are more like Jesus you'd weep tears of blood for this sinful sickening world
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e2ef1d No.820587
>>820576
Why would any of those things hurt me? I have compassion for those whom you describe but they certainly don’t affect my relationship with God.
>They don't care about society
Neither did John the Baptist.
>>820577
Jesus DID mourn. He’s NOT mourning now. NOW is the time for the nation’s to mourn, not Jesus (Mt. 24:30).
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bab1ed No.820589
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f289d3 No.820599
>>820518
Jesus has risen but he still suffered for every sin that was yet to come. The least you can do is show some remorse about it.
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e2ef1d No.820618
>>820589
Uhhh what.
>>820599
Do you feel a degree of guilt every single time you see suffering or something? You don’t have to bear the burden of the entire world like Jesus did to be right with God.
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