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>>819980

Jesus wasn't a sinner, ergo He had no need to be beaten. If you ever become a parent big if you will understand what that passage means.

>>819983

Okay explain the passage then. We're all smart enough to understand it so don't fall back on "hurr you need the particular experience I have to get it"

>If you ever become a parent big if

Thanks for the kindness anon

>>819980

Spanking =/= beating. Every little shit I knew growing up happened to be the kid who was never disciplined beyond grounding/losing privileges.

>>819992

Nice anecdotal evidence but it isn't borne out by the data

>>819990

>calls people selfish narcissists

>calls people idiots

<is upset when someone doubts he will ever be a parent

>thanks for the kindness

Give and ye shall receive, anon.

Proverbs

>{13:24} He that spareth the rod, hateth his son: but he that loveth him, correcteth him betimes.

If you really need me to hold your hand on this one I can, but I think you are smart enough to put two and two together.

>>819980

It's retarded, but common. People act like because something is in the Bible justifies it, which is not the case.

>>819998

I didn't call anyone in particular selfish narcissists, I called child beaters who use the word of God to justify their sin that. If that offends you on a personal level, it explains your uncharitableness.

>If you really need me to hold your hand on this one I can, but I think you are smart enough to put two and two together.

Nothing in that verse suggests hitting your kid, it just suggests correcting their behavior. A shepherd doesn't use a rod to beat his sheep.

>>820009

So you think the "rod" in that passage is purely metaphorical?

>Doubt.jpg

>>820009

The fact that you equate spanking to literally beating children shows your uncharitableness as well.

My parents never spanked me and I became an entitled drug and porn addict. Took me 16 years to free myself from those shackles. Had I actually been spanked I would have respected authority instead of treating it like a joke.

Since you aren't a parent you have no authority in this matter. Become a parent and then report back in a couple years and tell us how great your blue haired child turned out with your zero discipline strategy.

>>820083

Yeah you clearly don't have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion, I'll pray for you and your family.

>>820082

It's used similarly in a metaphorical way in Proverbs 22:15

>>820084

>t. Non-parent tells actual parents how to be parents

Lmao, OP, just stop. You are embarrassing yourself.

>>820085

You just tried to tell us you became a drug and porn addict because you weren't spanked and that not spanking will cause kids to be "blue haired." If you're not engaging in sin the thought of being prayed for should not cause this hostility.

>why do people make mistakes?

Because they are sinners.

Corporal punishment should rarely, if ever, be necessary with children, but it be appropriate in extreme cases. Generally, if a child is utterly disobedient, unhealthy and chaotic as a rule, something is wrong at a fundamental level no slapping will fix.

This stuff is a matter of common sense. Complaining to us that some people lack common sense, OP, is a waste of time; I don't see what your post is trying to generate or accomplish. If you need to vent then do it in your journal/blog/diary; if you seek consolation, pray to the Lord.

>>819980

First of all there is a big difference in abusing and correcting a child.

The old Testament has a lot of passages where it is ok for a parent to correct a child with the rod for example but ONLY to correct its wrong doing.

There are children who need a "smacking" and some who don't. I myself say it would've been better for me growing up getting one or two beatings since I grew up antiauthoritarian….. biggest mistake my parents made…I did winnie the pooh up a looot.

But yeah there are those who ABUSE:

most of the "christians" are self proclaimed and didn't read / understand the bible correctly.

The biggest problem is that those are also abusing the bible for their own justification. Most of the times YOU CAN'T argue with those ppl…not even with reason and the bible as a foundation…..since they WANT to misuse the words as a weapon of fear and punishment and not of love.

I hope my engrish is gud enuff and u did understand :D

>>819980

Why do so many people use religion to justify their own injustice?

The truth is not easy to accept, and often people only accept what is in their own "benefit" wether it is true or false. Many others merely do as religious society expects of them, but this is not according to the expectations of God.

To the amount of reasons why people sin, there are even more excuses to justify them. I don't think there is a short answer as to why this is.

>>819992

And I'm the opposite. I think I turned out alright, everyone says I'm such a "wonderful young man" mostly because I keep to myself and don't swear or smoke weed. The only time I was ever spanked was when I peed on the floor once when I was 3. Every other time was "go sit in the bathroom for x minutes".

>>820684

"Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged."

Colossians 3:21

>>819983

Honestly fpbp, don't read bits of the Bible that apply to others and not yourself if you can't avoid critiquing others.

>>820774

>Honestly fpbp, don't read bits of the Bible that apply to others and not yourself if you can't avoid critiquing others.

What? This sounds extremely entitled. Are you not suppose to condemn homosexuality because you've never had gay sex? Are you not supposed to condemn abortion because you've never been pregnant?

>>820083

>Had I actually been spanked I would have respected authority instead of treating it like a joke.

>>820142

>I myself say it would've been better for me growing up getting one or two beatings since I grew up antiauthoritarian….. biggest mistake my parents made…I did winnie the pooh up a looot.

Me and my sisters grew up getting smacked (on the ass) when we'd been really bad. I remember it being really horrible at the time (actually I've only got one memory of it ever happening to be honest but that's just my memory failing me) but I now know it came from a place of complete and utter love. There was never any hint of maliciousness etc from our parents (normally was our dad doing it) was always stern but calm and normally always got an explanation and maybe a hug/embrace after I don't remember it was so long ago. But anyways, part of the point what I was making is that I guess potentially partially as a result of spanking I did grow up very respectful of authority, although that was less the case for my sisters arguably to different extents and I think respecting authority is just part of my nature/personality and always has been for whatever reason.

I myself however still ended up a drug and porn addict, the latter of which I haven't yet escaped. The other part of the point being that while getting smacked as a kid would certainly done something for your development, it may not have meant you avoided your drug and porn addiction. We've all got free will and make conscious decisions to winnie the pooh up and sin by our own free choice. Could be in all liklihood if you had got smacked you'd have had just as much a chance of ending up a drug and porn addict for whatever reasons (i.e. root cause = our bad decisions we make, personally). Or ok, say sure, maybe it is the case that you might not have been a drug or porn addict if you were smacked as a kid, but know you would have winnie the poohed up just as much in some other area of your life. We're all sinners who have to take on the responsibility for our actions. No point blaming your parents and no point in thinking about what could have been when it now never will be.

>>820783

Good find, though Orthodox Study Bible gives "chastise," same as the KJV translation of the Proverbs verse. I'll look into it more.