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Cosmological argument. Also, why do you have the need to post a drawing of a girl?

>>818379

So, who created God?

Beside that I have memes and cats, it was most suitable for this thread.

>>818381

>So, who created God?

Bad question and by asking it you show that you don't understand what God truly is and the implications of it. God, by definition, is eternal and uncreated.

>Inb4 that doesn't make sense

If you don't accept that then you must accept either that the universe is eternal (which doesn't make sense according to your logic) or that the universe sprang into existence for no reason (which also doesn't make sense).

For me, pure materialism provides no satisfactory answer to any philosophical question and invariably leads to despair-inducing nihilism.

>>818395

>invariably leads to despair-inducing nihilism.

Or to degenerate hedonism

Polite sage for double-posting

I'll be closely monitoring this thread. I myself have been dealing with psychosis since late 2017. When I start hearing voices, I just tell Jesus or Mary that I'm hearing voices again and then after that, I feel work done on my brain and the voices are silenced.

It's odd to me how the mentally healthy can believe in God. They seem to just believe. To me, that's crazy.

>>818416

Bro those are demons.

>>818449

>>818416

I’ll be more clear go to a Catholic Priest and tell him about your symptoms and the fact that when you say the thing about Mary and Jesus it clears it up. I am not joking they can hook you up with a prayer regiment that might fix it. I mean what do you have to lose.

>>818450

>>818449

I appreciate the advice but I already once mistakenly believed that this problem was demonic and I then proceeded to pray the rosary every day, asking for protection. Eventually, things got to a point where my brain cracked and it seemed like there were involountary demonic prayers being done automatically. To paint the picture, if I were to attempt to sit idle, I can feel activity in the left hemisphere of my brain and I could feel what felt like my soul leaving my body. Not gradually, mind you, but in countable steps. I would be okay for a while, then I would worsen. Then I'd remain in that worsened state for a while and then things would get even more worse. It happened in steps rather than gradually, like it was the consequence of one evil prayer at a time. I had to counter the involountary prayers with constant Jesus Prayers. I would be so busy counter-praying that I couldn't even focus on my food and eat. I told my Mom about the supposed demon I'd been battling with and she told me it was all in my head, I'm just psychotic. The second I adopted this belief, everything finally stopped and my life returned to normal.

I talked to a priest about all of this and he said that he has no idea why some of his parishioners develop mental illness, it just happens to some people. He didn't think I was in need of an exorcism. His advice for me synchronised well with what my Mother said: just live normally.

There's still one minor issue where in the mornings, I have weird dreams and I may hear voices but overall, things are on the uptick I'd say. I don't think I ever had a demon problem. This is proven in the massive upturn my mental health took when I stopped believing I was being oppressed by one and was simply psychotic.

>>818468

interesting..why do you think, in your opinion, saying the name of Jesus and Mary help?

And i'll be giving my 2 cents on this thread:

><It's natural chemistry in brain. Some hormones are released and DMT is produced

I don't think it's that simple, i've heard of cases where brain activity ceased, and when people got hidden knowledge of things that otherwise they couldn't have known through these visions and NDE's.

><If holy book of christians is proof that christianity is true, why you don't believe in Allah? Quran is too holy book of muslims

That's actually not a good argument at all, each book has to be examined by itself and their mere existence doesn't prove God. But in my opinion the bible has some pretty interesting stuff in it, the prophecies, for example.

><Similar as in NDE, in very stressful situations DMT is produced

The validity of a vision on my opinion must be individually tested, if there were signs of hidden knowledge and similar things. Also there have been visions where the brain is not under "very stressful" situations.

><In other religions, healings are too

In christianity we believe that the devil can perform false miracles and healings as well, and i think miracles/unexplanainable phenomena such as incorrupt bodies, eucharistic miracles and demonic possesion ( ACTUAL demonic possesion, not psychological phenomena, ie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffe_p6kKXqw

><Jesus never aswered for my prayers, even if them were about mental health

Well i think God's will is supreme and he may choose to help you now, or later, or maybe this is your cross to bear. Personally praying always helps with lust.

><If they woke from death, it was probably coma

dumb generalizing, i imagine miracles about raising the dead are very rare but we must not discount them because they sound absurd, because THERE ARE things science can't explain to this day, to the dismay of atheists.

>>818378

>Why do you believe

God asked me to and then a while later I said ok.

<It's natural chemistry in brain. Some hormones are released and DMT is produced

You don't have proof of that.

<If holy book of christians is proof that christianity is true, why you don't believe in Allah? Quran is too holy book of muslims

The Church settles this issue. And it says Bible not other things. inb4 it just moves the problem. God said listen to the church so it ends there.

<Similar as in NDE, in very stressful situations DMT is produced

You don't have proof of that either.

<In other religions, healings are too

But there is only one healer, even if the healed don't acknowledge that properly or at alland as a convert to the faith I can assure you I did not acknowledge it for the longest time. Still God who was healing though.

<Jesus never aswered for my prayers, even if them were about mental health

I'm very sorry to hear that. Mental health is difficult and I have seen many problems it introduces. I hope your prayers get answered and I'll try to pray for you as well.

<If they woke from death, it was probably coma

Maybe but you can't prove this either.

Ultimately you'll have to either accept what God is telling you to do(believe) or not. Everything else is secondary and won't matter if you don't say yes to the question. Hope you get better and hope you can find faith.

>>818479

Well, I don't merely say their name. I actively ask them for help. Why would it help? God most certainly listens to the requests of the Blessed Mother so if she requests that I get help then I'll get it and Jesus is the King of the Universe, of course he can fix my brain.

I'm going to show how much of a fool you are in one of your pathetic "debunkings", the one regarding NDEs

A huge amount of NDEs happen during a cardiac arrest that lasts for over 20 minutes. After around a minute, due to the lack of oxygen brain activity ceases completely. Not to mention that they also tend to happen while under general anesthesia, which removes completely the possibility of dreaming or having hallucinations.

They are also reported as compltely conscious. Actually, they are reported as more real than reality itself. This doesn't hapen with hallucinations.

They are also perfectly consistent, and do not include elements that are typical of hallucinations.

People who have had hallucinations as well as NDEs report them as completely different.

If it was your fictional "chemistry n' stuff lmao", then it would happen in far more than 10-20% of cases.

People who go through NDEs tend to see deceased people, including people they didn't even know (siblings that were miscarried before they were born) or who they believed were still alive.

There are many perfectly documented cases where people, in the first stage of a NDE (the out of body experience) perceive or see things that were completely beyond the reach of their senses, during the cardiac arrest. For example, a woman with the habit of memorising every single number she saw correctly identified the serial number of a ventilator unit that was only visible from the top of the room. A man once saw that on the top of a piece of forniture there was a 1985 coin. And so on.

Overall, there are a million causes why your nonsense is nothing more than laughing stock for those who are actually familiar with the topic. Of course, nobody in their right mind would make the random statement you made, and much less call it debunking, if it wasn't by your petty wishful thinking in which any cheap, pathetic excuse is enough for you to consider whatever "debunked".

As an extra, I will show the ignorance in other of your "debunkings": we do not look at the contents of the Bible because it is considered Scripture. It is considered Scripture because of its contents. To reject what is written on it, especially the things related to the ressurrection, you need to indulge in wild mental gymnastics, like claming that "Jesus didn't die and was just in a comma" (lol).

>>818378

>Christ's passion resulted in a coma that lasted 3 days, afterwards he was totally fine and hung out with His friends again.

Do you live under a rock, dude?

I posted the following in a thread on /b2/ a while ago. I don't know how well I did, I just sort of wrote down what came to mind; but I put a lot of effort into it so I saved it as a txt file.

All I will tell you is to study philosophy and history. That's what I did, and I found that I philosophically agree with the church on almost everything and I feel that Christian doctrine is most conducive to a nations prosperity. So much so that even if I were to completely lose faith in the existence of God, I would continue to practice the religion just because I agree with it's values so strongly. The traditions of The Church provide a connection to the ancient past and the practices like fasting and routine prayer build self control and discipline.

The plethora of Saints provide a great number of archetypal figures to look up to, from all different walks of life and some of them have some truly fascinating stories from which to draw inspiration for your own endeavors.

If there is a natural law then those who follow that natural law are most likely to succeed and be rewarded while those who break the natural law are sure to be punished. If there is a natural law, then there is a natural lawmaker I.E. a god or gods or higher power. Christianity's dual-philosophy of altruism and self improvement appear to me as the most conducive to a people's prosperity and therefore must be the most accurate representation of natural law. It then follows that our (Christianity's) natural lawmaker (God/Jesus) is the right one.

Now about proving that God exists. It can't actually be done. God is something that can only be understood by faith. But before you dismiss this as being cultist poppycock, let me explain how you already understand plenty of things by faith alone already. There is no scientific or empirical evidence to suggest that mathematics is a real and objective thing. So if you believe in mathematics you already have as much faith as it would take to believe in God.

In the case that you are a nominalist (that you believe mathematics is not a real and objective thing but a system created by humans to make sense of the world around them), it is necessary for me to prove that mathematics is not just a human construct which I don't believe is too difficult. Take a look at something that is a human construct like language. Language, because it is created by humans, varies greatly from one group of humans to another and that's why there are thousands and thousands of languages spoken all throughout the world. The same can be said for art and music which is why art and music are different all throughout the world as well. Mathematics, however, is the same all throughout the world. Although not all of the races and cultures have the same level of understanding of mathematics but there are no races or cultures who believe that 2 and 9 are the same number or other such mathematical impossibilities. This indicates that mathematics is a real and objective abstract object.

God is like mathematics in the sense that he is real yet impossible to see, detect, or measure. And just like math, all races and cultures around the world have God but the degree to which they understand him varies very greatly.