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Jewry in Christianity? Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 07:30:41 f7393e No.810057

I need some help with understand if Christianity is Jewish or has Jewish roots. I always see arguments about this but I don't understand which side is right or wrong. What is it that makes Christianity not Jewish?

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 08:16:23 f2adb9 No.810059

Christianity has pre-Jewish roots, the fact that God made a covenant with the Jews is besides the point.

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 08:27:02 f8e377 No.810062

>>810057

Christianity could have had Bantu roots, for all i care.

It's irrelevant, philosophically.

But historically, it's derived from hellenized second temple judaism.

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 11:39:00 ad1956 No.810072

>>810057

Christians used to be a very active part of Judaism (going to Synagogue, etc) until even the 4th century. It has Jewish roots and can be considered by Christians as the continuation of that religion, which is itself a continuation of the eternal religion of unity with the One God.

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 12:45:44 3133d6 No.810075

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>>810057

If you think it's a continuation of modern Judaism you'd be wrong, but if you see it as a continuation of what Judaism was before Christ then you'd be right. That is, if you're Catholic or Orthodox. If you're a Protestant you don't share in the continuity of the one true religion because the holy mass is a continuity of the tradition of the Jews. Catholics and Orthodox have a priesthood, a temple, and a sacrifice - all three of these were necessary in Judaism in order to fulfill their covenant with God. Protestants are like modern Jews in this respect (because Protestantism is Judaized Christianity) in that they have no priesthood, no temple, and no sacrifice and therefore cannot uphold their covenant with the Lord. I recommend pic related for people who are interested, it goes into great detail about what happens at the Latin Mass and how it is a continuation of the Jewish tradition.

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 21:38:30 03bfa0 No.810158

>>810075

In lutheranism we have a universal priesthood. What sacrifices are you making? The sacrifices the jews made were only symbolic, Jesus' death on the cross was the only worthy sacrifice, and the last one needed. The temple was made unnecessary upon the death of Christ, with the curtain of the temple being torn in two, opening God to all believers

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 22:16:33 a7b705 No.810165

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>>810057

It does has Jewish roots, but it's not a form of Judaism. Read Acts of the Apostles for more info, or the Epistle to the Romans, and it'll make it clearer. Christian Jews continued with their Jewish beliefs, as well as their new Christian ones. Pagans that converted to Christianity did not take part in those rituals. Faith in Christ is enough to be a Christian and Paul says that if rules bring you closer to God, that's great, but implies that following Christ through faith alone is better (Romans 14). Of course, proper faith is expressed by acts, it's just that following rules and following Christ are different things.

>What is it that makes Christianity not Jewish?

Basically, Christianity does come from ancient Judaism. The term "ancient" is important here. When Christ came, some Jews accepted him, some rejected him. The first ones became Christian and eventually ceased to be Jewish, and the second ones became the only kind of Jews. Those who rejected Christ, who killed him and chose Barabbas instead, did so cause they wanted an aggressive Messiah, someone to lead them against the Romans (the external enemy), instead of someone who carried a message of love and self improvement (to battle the internal enemy). These Jews latter rose up against the Romans, and it ended up with the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem, just like Christ said (Mathew 24:1-2), in the year 70 AD.

Why? They rejected Christianity and forty years later the Temple, the way Jews could communicate with God through the covenant, is destroyed. When you read the Bible, it becomes clear: the Old Testament is the instructions on how to create a perfectly ordered society, how to build civilization in the middle of nature. Once society is stable, once Rome dominates all the western world and is politically stable, Jesus comes. The New Testament shows you the way to personal development, to build the perfect man. That's what Jesus is: by being both man and God, He is human perfection. Now that we have His example, we can aim to imitate it.

THAT is what makes Christianity not only not Jewish, but a polar opposite. Judaism is for creating a society in the middle of the desert and Christianity is for personal union with God. Jews reject that. Jews are always trying to build a Jewish society, to mold existing ones to their desires and needs. That's also why so many Jews have embraced ideologies that dismiss personal responsibility, blame everything on society and aim to change it radically to create a new perfect society in it's place - that's why so many Jews have been Marxists.

Now, let's briefly address one thing: "What is it that DOES make Christianity Jewish?"

Some branches of Christianity are arguably Jewish. I know this may rub the wrong feathers, but without wanting to be provocative, I have to say that some protestant churches are more Jewish than Christian. With their "free interpretation of the Bible" they give a lot of importance to the Old Testament and read the New one under the light of the Old (it should be done the other way around). While trying to show everyone how non-catholic they were, they had to adopt new theology, in many cases copy-pasted from Talmudic tradition (the Talmud being a compilation of Jewish books written since the destruction of the Temple), in other cases copy-pasted from past heresies (which, in turn, often had theology influenced by Jewish thought). It seems to me this Judaic Christianity is specially prevalent in Puritan and Calvinist areas, like the Netherlands and the USA. This is just an outsider's impression, so I could be wrong.

I think that's about it. Sorry if the post is too long, but I hope it'll answer to your question.

TL;DR: Ancient Judaism was split into Christianity and modern Judaism when Christ came. Christianity does have roots in ancient Judaism, but it's completely different than (and opposite to) modern Judaism. Why? Read the whole post for that.

Christanon 05/27/19 (Mon) 23:17:21 be5ec7 No.810172

The only difference is Jesus being the Lamb of God and the last sacrifice. There is no need for more or another Temple.

But Rabbinicism isn't even Judaism. They don't even care about sacrifices or temples per se (although they would eventually push for it). It was implemented AFTER the Temple was destroyed and Jews picked up the pieces and reworked their religion around the synagogue and rabbis instead of priests.

Christanon 05/28/19 (Tue) 01:32:47 40fd25 No.810221

>>810057

>I need some help with understand if Christianity is Jewish or has Jewish roots.

Christianity can be accurately called "the one faith in Christ" which is specifically the Savior of man from his fallen state, as man has been fallen since the moment Adam sinned and passed this nature to the world that followed.

It is in this sense that Christianity has always been since the beginning of history. Long before the day of Abraham, there have been men believing in the prophecy and the promise of a Person who will in the latter day stand on the earth and to bring salvation and reconcile us with our Creator. People didn't know exactly how this will happen, they just believed the prophecy of God that they had.

Even today, Christians are waiting in the knowledge that Jesus Christ, who was revealed by inspiration of Holy Spirit first to his apostles and the New Testament that they brought, which were mysteries that great men of faith had been searching for from the earliest times and now revealed to the world, they are waiting now for his glorious return being sure of the prophecy that they have heard concerning these things, yet not knowing fully when these things shall be yet still believing in it.

Now at the same time as this was happening, and as God progressively revealed more to mankind as he was ready to receive it, there were also false religions founded by men who are now dead but are wrongly exalted by their followers today. These followers who reject God's word but instead follow after manmade fables are willing to spread misconceptions and convenient lies to gain followers. One such group was the synagogue of Satan, which the Pharisees were a precursor for and which later wrote the Talmud, and nowadays claims to be "Jew," although the Biblical definition of the term involves the nationality of the southern kingdom of "Judah" which only begins to be named after Jeroboam split off with his northern kingdom (see 1 Kings 11:31). This is why these people are actually not Jews in the Biblical sense, as Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 explicitly states regarding them. Their claim to the Biblical heritage is therefore false.

Now, the fact that a specific kingdom received the Law is true, that insofar as the revealed prophecies were given to Moses and David and others of that specific nation, it isn't true that the words and teachings were only for those people. That's not actually part of the Bible: this idea of "Jewish supremacy" is only found in the Talmud. Because anyone else could come even in Old Testament times and believe in it, and much of Scripture even predates the kingdom of Judah. Not only that, but now that Jesus was rejected by them (which also need to happen to fulfill the prophecy of Scripture) whosoever God calls out as a believer can be part of the people of God now, according to 1 Peter 2:9-10, Galatians 3:16 and 29. This is because the Lord Jesus Christ alone is the fulfillment of all the prophecies concerning how the Messiah was to come about, he is therefore the only one worthy to inherit the promises of God both to Abraham and in the Psalms and elsewhere. He gets everything. He is the only righteous man, wherein the rest can be justified only by his blood. As sin came into the world by one man unto death, so righteousness unto life by one man.

And strictly by being in him, you are made heirs of God through Christ (Galatians 4:7). And without the Son, which is Jesus, it is not possible to have the Father. As it says in 1 John 2:23, whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father; but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. Also it says in John 12:48 that whoever rejects the Son's word, will be judged by the word which he has spoken. And in John 14:6 he said that "no man cometh unto the Father but by me." So what a false religion such as Judaism teaches is not relevant in the face of that.

Like any other manmade tradition, Talmudism is all based on misconception, and it's based on rejection of the consistent prophecy which was from the beginning. It has nothing to do with it. As Jesus said in John 5:46– For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.