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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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ae3caa  No.801785

I just had a thought. “Everlasting life” means there is something that is not everlasting, too. It’s obviously meant as an exclusive thing for people who achieved salvation. Therefore hell must be logically not everlasting, since that would be everlasting life, too. The translations must be wrong. Debate this if you can.

ae3caa  No.801790

Of Christ we read, “You are a priest forever [aion]” (Hebrews 5:6). Here, “forever” (aion) clearly means this present age, for theologians agree that Christ’s work as a priest comes to an end when sin has been blotted out. (The work of a priest is to deal with sin. See Hebrews 2:17 and 5:1.)


9d0ca1  No.801793

>>801785

The translations aren’t wrong, you’re just grasping straws. Christ wasn’t joking when he said that the lake of fire is everlasting torment. It’s “living” in a state of spiritual death forever.


ae3caa  No.801796

>>801793

I could never enjoy heaven knowing there is everlasting hell


9d0ca1  No.801797

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266f49  No.801799

>>801796

Why not? Don't you believe in divine justice?


ae3caa  No.801801

>>801797

>>801799eternal punishment means eternal death


36f9cf  No.801821

>>801796

Yes you absolutely would enjoy it, because heaven is where God is. You will enjoy and worship Him forever. You will celebrate His mercy towards you and every other person there. You will marvel and applaud His justice as He sends all guilty sinners to hell, even those you cared for in this life.


113403  No.801860

Age-lasting would be better. Also to the ages.


833c21  No.801890

>>801796

That's dumb. Read CS Lewis' The Problem of Pain, he spends an entire chapter dealing specifically with that objection.


5b0975  No.801898

>>801796

Not with that kind of attitude you couldn't


719c90  No.801903

>>801796

Why would you find God's judgement repugnant?


590167  No.801906

>>801796

Following two are related

>>801903

Stet

>>801793

Namely

> It’s “living” in a state of spiritual death forever.

I keep thinking that it was around Matthews, John, but those that turn away from the light have judged themselves apart from the light. This is an extension of the the passage about those who hunger [spiritually] will be fed [spiritually, forever]. nominally, those who turn away from spiritual light [life, sustenance] are consigned to spiritual death [darkness, starvation].


7a6a11  No.801909

Scripture only specifically says that the Lake of Fire is eternal. This is different than Hades/Hell/Gehenna and is prepared for the absolute final things. Elsewhere, Jesus sometimes talks about the condemned in conditional terms. "Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing." - Matthew 5:26 . A very uncomfortable verse for those who equate all afterlife states with a strict either/or of Heaven or the Lake of Fire. Obviously Jesus meant something different here, unless you think Christ is careless with his words. I hope you don't.

I'll leave it you to make of that what you will. I'll just add that I'm not teaching Purgatory, but I understand why some Catholic scholars started teaching that. I just want people to think about it instead of repeating memes.

As for the Lake of Fire: "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." - Revelation 19:20

After the millennium, Satan is finally cast into it:

"And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." - Revelation 20:10

TORMENTED.. forever and ever. Indeed it's eternal and not a mere consuming fire. But a tormenting fire. This isn't the conditional punishment Jesus mentioned earlier.

Finally death AND "hell" (yes, hell is noted as something entirely different than the Lake a Fire, and even an entity apparently) is cast after Satan. Then those not in the Book of Life are cast:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." - Revelation 21:8


66a16c  No.801916

>>801909

Hades is translated as Hell in KJV, among others. So it's it that's being cast into Gehenna.


595f20  No.801945

>>801909

So? Revelation is symbolic and everyone knows that


595f20  No.801981

>>801909

The beast and the false prophet are on a whole other level than regular sinners. This does not at all mean eternal torment for everybody, also those two are just symbolic


c2948c  No.802339

>>801909

newbag to Christianity here. Are Satan and "the Beast" two separate entities?


d6e938  No.802355

>>801909

>I'll just add that I'm not teaching Purgatory, but I understand why some Catholic scholars started teaching that.

They forgot Romans 3:23?

>>801981

Matthew 25:46

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


b1c270  No.802360

>>801916

And with Hades, all the souls still in it.




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