/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

God is not going to send you to hell for such a spergy legalistic reason out of your control. Demons love to give us reasons to turn away from God, to not go to church, to distrust others and isolate ourselves away, to not go to confession, to not seek spiritual guidance.

Also the Jews work hand in hand with demons when they spin these stories in their hatred of Jesus Christ. Very few priests have been actually convicted in America of pedophilia. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a (((false flag))) operation.

The reports of pedophilia in the priesthood are greatly exaggerated (it's pretty much just homosexuals who have infiltrated seminaries).

Pedophilia and homosexuality have the same root which is Satan.

Most Americans don't have any idea what bris is or that what the Jews do to their babies.

I would recommend though talking to your priest before joining a church and getting a sense of if he's a modernist or a truly holy man. We have to just pray to the Holy Spirit for discernment in these matters.

It's almost like this was an issue centuries ago and it was dealt with. Look up Donatism.

This is what pushed me toward the Eastern church.

>How can we trust priests for confession and celebrating the Mass if they are committing grave sins like pedophilia?

A priest has been ordained; he has received the Sacrament of Holy Orders, hence he can administer the other sacraments. Whether or not the priest sins—in whatever capacity, great or small—has no bearing on this because the power and grace he administers come from God, not him. In a similar way, there are plenty of knowledgeable and astute anons on this board who are, nevertheless, gross sinners.

>Why are these sacraments performed by such priests valid?

As I said, because they find their source, their primary cause, in God, not man.

>There is probably some % of priests that do not believe in anything.

Correct. Pray for them.

>I would honestly feel completely destroyed if I found out that the priest I've been going to for 20 years is a pedophile.

As would anyone.

>Why not just follow the life of the saints? At least we know we can follow their example

The saints all received the sacraments, were loyal to the Church, followed her decrees, etc.. This is because they had their lives orientated towards God, and not towards some vain hope in virtuous men.

>>801508

They deal with the same issues

>>801499

>I would honestly feel completely destroyed if I found out that the priest I've been going to for 20 years is a pedophile.

This. Thank God I'm Orthodox!

>>801521

Correct, they're dealt with, not covered up for half a century.

>>801525

>>801508

Same here for me, but only slightly. Although I will say that our church has seen many more inquirers come from a Catholic background in the last 2 years or so. A practicing, devout Catholic background, not cultural Catholics.

>>801499

Donatism is a heresy condemened bythe Council of Carthage in early 5th century. St. Augustine fought really hard against it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donatism

The teaching says:

>“If anyone says that a minister in the state of mortal sin, though he observes all the essentials that belong to the performing and conferring of the sacrament, does not perform or confer the sacrament, anathema sit [“let him be condemned”].

>“From the moment that a sacrament is celebrated in accordance with the intention of the Church, the power of Christ and His Spirit acts in and through it, independently of the personal holiness of the minister”

>>801538

>The continued child sex abuse cases emerge from the Eastern Orthodox Church (Velissaris, 2013). Archbishop Stylianos talked about the Greek Orthodox Church and its child sexual abuse.

>This is only a week after the Church fronting the Victorian parliamentary inquiry with the denial of its culpability there. Stylianos opines that no religious organization is immune.

>Stylianos said, “Religious organisations, which consist of human beings, even as clergymen, can never be regarded in advance as immune of such criminal acts.”

>The Bishop Iakovos of Miletoupolis denied child sexual abuse by Greek Orthodox Church clergyman in Victoria. However, further reportage found the opposite and worse, the child sexual abuse was happening and Iakovos attempted to cover the child sexual abuse up.

>The Greek Orthodox Church involved in child sexual abuse by its clergyman and then caught in lies attempting to cover the abuse. One priest was found guilty of indecently assaulting a teenage girl in 2002.

https://medium.com/humanist-voices/a-compendium-of-crimes-and-criminals-of-the-eastern-orthodox-church-part-4-272013d88bd

So yes, even the East has tried to cover up sex abuse as well.

>>801551

You have one example where it was covered up for 15 years, whereas the state of Pennsylvania alone has hundreds of examples with cover up schemes lasting much longer. Now I'm absolutely certain that you can find a few more examples, but nothing will compare to the turmoil in the Catholic church. And that's a terrible shame, I don't take any pride in that statement.

The main problems the Orthodox Church faces are not sexual in nature, but rather more political as we see with the Ukraine or even the state of the Church in North America.

>>801551

>I found a handful of examples of sexual abuse in the Orthodox Church

>It's totally the same as the TENS OF THOUSANDS of cases in the Roman Catholic Church

>trust me goy

>>801562

And yet your earlier claim of

>it doesn't happen in my church

Is false. Remember these are the ones we know about. Think about the ones we don't know about. Cope all you want, but satan attacks all of the denoms with perversion wether you like it or not.

>>801575

I'm in an independent baptist church and if anyone in a church leadership was doing something like that, no one should stay. No one should stay under that reprobate leadership.

2 Peter 2 makes clear that's one sign of false prophets. God also makes it clear to warn others of false prophets, which is kind of the opposite of what you guys are doing here.

Hello donatists

>>801499

The saints say these are valid, you are totally ignorant on this subject.

https://soundcloud.com/thomisticinstitute/sets/fr-thomas-joseph-white-op-the

listen to this series you are literally expressing a heresy

Also don't let people fill you with hot air either, the abuse rate is like 1-2% and the bulk was in the 70s-90s it hasn't been a serious active thing for a looonnnggg time. That whole grand jury report that came out was pointing out more stuff in that time period/not active ongoing stuff. It's not a serious concern that you need to be actively careful about or something.

>>801559

>problems in the Orthodox Church not sexual

>openly allow divorce, contraception and abortion

nice try lmao

>>801503

>Most Americans don't have any idea what bris is or that what the Jews do to their babies.

80% of American men are circumcised as babies. We know.

>>801639

>openly allow divorce, contraception, and abortion

Not my metropolitan. Where did you hear this???

>>801643

I’m not talking about circumcision but bris where the rabbi… ugh it’s too gross.

But whoa why are so many Americans circumcised? That’s insane I had no idea.

>>801647

They confuse a few writers, theologians, and Kallistos Ware for the entirety of the Church. It's not worth replying to posters who bring that up as you're right, the Church doesn't accept those things.

>>801649

>why are so many Americans circumcised?

Most folks believe it's for hygiene. A lot of it is a sort of "peer pressure", that old chestnut of "I don't want my son to think he's weird." Circumcised fathers tend to circumcise their sons. Both the CDC and the AAP say that the health benefits outweigh the risks, and so on and so forth. It will take generations for the practice to end in the US. Generations and education. I mean, a circumcised father has never had to learn how to clean an uncut penis, so it's not as easy for him to teach his son, so he just says, "Ok" and signs the form to let the hospital cut the penis. We've been doing it for so long now that it's completely normalized.

>>801647

>>801655

The Church isn't just your metropolitan, you are in communion with people who openly advocate for those things. Divorce is an age old tradition for EO and contraception is the normal teaching now, abortion isnt' as wide spread but when you have one Church openly advocate for it and you are in communion with them that is you saying it's okay.

>>801655

>the Church is people I agree with and anyone I dislike doesn't count

According to developmental magisterium, every catholic priests has a mark of Christ into their souls which cannot be removed (even if he denounce his faith) .

So from the position of the Vatican, the acts their homosexual leaders is a issue of public presentation, not really a soteriological one.

>>801673

Then why did Paul said not to share the sacrements with non-believers?

>>801682

>you are in communion with people who openly advocate for those things.

Well it did take about 2-300 years to finally remove the papists from the Church, even longer to get rid of the iconoclasts, so the 40 years or so we've had this nonsense of a few men thinking divorce and contraceptives are fine is par for the course. Frankly though, if you want to make a huge issue out of that then that's fine, I'll take those problems every single day over those the Catholic church is unfortunately suffering through now.

>>801682

>in communion with

Where??? You haven’t given any specifics.