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Latin sounds really cool tbh.

>>799858

It truly is a beautiful language

19 Pilate also wrote a title and put it on the cross; it read, “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews.” 20 Many of the Jews read this title, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city; and it was written in Hebrew, in Latin, and in Greek.

>>799882

Wow, so the Bible only reinforces the fact that Latin is a Satanic language.

>>799868

It's a Papist language.

>>799883

>hebrew is a satanic language

atleast you are trying

>>799831

Latin was the language of academia and the church throughout the Middle Ages, at least in the west. Just about everybody educated knew it due to the legacy of Rome, so people all over Europe could read Latin works instead of academics having to learn French, Italian, Spanish, German, etc. While the Bible itself was not originally written in Latin, many works of theology from the past 2000 years were.

Can someone tell me if this song is in Latin or not ?

And maybe what she says ?

Thank you.

https://www.invidio.us/watch?v=mboeeXSRloQ

Why are KJV idolaters so obsessed with English? It's not even a Biblical language. The Bible is written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Learn one of those languages. English seems to be the language of those who hold to the traditions of men tbqh.

>>799916

>Why are KJV idolaters so obsessed with English? It's not even a Biblical language. The Bible is written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Learn one of those languages. English seems to be the language of those who hold to the traditions of men tbqh.

As far as the Bible goes, the sad thing is that the KJV and Jerome's Vulgate represent the same line of texts. We should all be allies against modernism. They read very similarly. 99.9% of the time each side would be able to seamlessly transition from one to the other.

As far as the source texts go, so much of it still reflects the Greek and Latin that the church espoused, rather than some of the stranger readings of a pure Masoretic translation. And as far as the NT goes, both are from the Majority Text tradition. We can't even say that about the modern Nova Vulgata, which uses the same critical texts as modern English bibles. It reads more like the NASB than it does either the KJV or Jerome.

This is also why you'll find so many Orthodox immigrants who love the KJV as well. There are especially ROCOR guys and Antiochians who are very KJV Only.

>>799929

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I was under the impression that KJV was a product of the Textus Receptus, which had already gone through changes at the hands of modern Jews. Jerome's Vulgate (OT at least) was based on Hebrew texts which no longer exist.

>>799856

/Thread this is literally the only reason why. There's nothing else to say other than it is the unalterable language spoken universally among a billion Catholics across the furthest corners of the earth. The liturgy used to be similar, but I think we are still doing well considering Satan has never had more power than in the past 150 years. At least we still have the SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP, and diocesan Tridentines to make due.

Latin isn't as important to most people interested in biblical research as the actual source languages proper. English also possesses a ton of Latinate vocabulary already and some is Greek by extension.

The Catholic Church ended Vulgate dependency also.

That said, some Latin chants are the most elegant and unsurpassed in such as well.

>>799856

No one speaks biblical languages either you mong. Only Romance speakers may understand a limited quantity of Latin but you could say the same for any other Romanic language, and even more so between languages with greater affinity. You could also add new words to Latin, and there's nothing necessarily wrong with that.

Academically knowing Latin is important. From a religious standpoint not so much. Greek, Hebrew etc. That is what the bible is written in. End of story.

>>799919

English is Germanic, not Romance

>>799891

Found it on lebbit.

Thesauro caeli

Apostole pie obsecro

Spargo mundum

Cum misericordia tua

Thesauro caeli

Apostole pie obsecro

Spargo mundum

Cum misericordia tua

Ego sum ille (not 100% sure about this, but it makes sense grammatically)

Qui enuntiat vocem sideris

Incedam tecum et tecum

Tecum confirmo

Ego amo te

Tu stella amata

Dona eis pacem

Cum voce tua

Thesauro caeli

Apostole pie obsecro

Spargo mundum

(Cum) misericordia tua

Translation:

Treasure of the sky

O pious apostle, I beseech you

I spread your mercy

In the world (lit: I sprinkle the world with your mercy)

I am the one

Who announces the voice of the stars (considering the deeper meanings of the word and the line itself, this could very well refer to the Astrals. This line is very oracle-y XD)

I shall walk with you, and with you

With you I strengthen (the Latin verb is not reflexive but it seems to be intended that way, like "with you I become stronger")

I love you

You, beloved star

Give them peace

With your voice

https://www.reddit.com/r/FFXV/comments/b85ima/spoiler_episode_ardyn_main_theme_prayer_of_the/

Though it all sounds Gnostic to me hehe.

>>799831

Roman larping is cool and the fact that Latin is a dead language that sounds great is even kúúler.

>>799935

Textus Receptus is among the Majority Text family. The differences are negligible.. and what differences that do exist actually in the Latin (the Johannine Comma of 1 John 5:7-8, for example).

St. Jerome's OT sources are pre-Masoretic, but they reflect some of the same tradition the Masoretes worked on. It's kind of in between. It differs from the Septuagint as well (which is why Augustine thought it wrong that Jerome used it).>>799935

>>800011

Very cool actually. I didn't know that either. Although it is kind of strange to consider English a Romance language in the same vein as French or Spanish.

>>800023

It's not a Romance language exactly as the base is still manifestly Germanic rather its that possesses a large percentage of Romanic vocabulary.

>>799935

>>800022

The TR doesn't have anything to do with the OT either as it's the compiled Greek NT.

It's the Masoretic Text that has been used for a lot of modern language translations.

>>800034

Of course, I'm just answering the anon's question, since he asked about both OT and NT. The KJV and Jerome reflect a Majority NT tradition, and Jerome reflects a pre-Masoretic Hebrew tradition (but not quite as pre-Masoretic as the LXX). The KJV wisely follows many of the Latin's readings in this, since the Anglicans weren't total iconoclasts like the rest of the Reformation and believed in tradition and traditional scriptural readings they had come to know.

Just to add, a good example that Catholics instinctively don't have a problem with the KJV is that Challoner revised the Douay-Rheims to read a little more like the KJV. It shows how close the Latin is that he could even do that.

It's funny, but I ran across a priest's article bemoaning the blandness of the NAB translation. And his standard to measure it against was none other than the KJV:

https://www.firstthings.com/article/2006/01/more-on-bible-babel

>"Everyone who has sung or listened to Handel’s “Messiah” knows the words: “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6, KJV). Magnificent. Here, as of this week’s amended Missalette, is the New American Bible: “For a child is born to us, a son is given us; upon his shoulder dominion rests. They name him Wonder-Counselor, God-Hero, Father-Forever, Prince of Peace.” Try singing that."

>>800038

The Geneva Bible, KJV, and much of the classical Protestant translations in other languages tend echo eachother, using the same sources.

English had inherited a lot of Latinate influence already, which is seen in the Wycliffe Bible. Much of popular biblical terminology is derived from Latin.

Later movements might have deviated more from this, but that seems to happened more with the naming of religious terms like "service" for mass and liturgy, "Lord's supper" for eucharist, and having pastors instead of priests.

>>799831

Just like Orthodox use Greek, Copts use Coptic, Rome and the West uses Latin. Also, all exorcisms are done in Latin. Exorcists say that demons absolutely hate Latin.

Also, you prots talking about traditions men while coming up with a whole another version of Christianity 1500 years after Christ that is in contradiction to all Apostolic Christianity is just infinitely funny to me. You just love to focus on Catholicism but always conveniently forget that the Orthodox and the Antiochians and the Syrians and the Copts (all Churches founded by Apostles) have 99% the same doctrine as Catholicism.

>>800039

Yeah yeah we know how much you like KJV.

You are right that recent modern translations are rather bland. The translations produced during the Reformation in other languages are still some of the best.

The Bible is even more eloquent than its translations and could be rendered even better.

>>800041

>Exorcists say that demons absolutely hate Latin.

I wanted to post this. OP, please read this.

>>800045

Exorcists also say that demons absolutely hate it when they mention Our Lady too and that she has great powers over them. But it's not like prots care anyway.

https://mysticpost.com/2018/09/devil-admits-exorcist-im-afraid-virgin-mary-interview-exorcist/

>“During an exorcism,” Father Amorth remembers, “Satan told me, through the possessed person, ‘Every Hail Mary of the Rosary is a blow to the head for me; if Christians knew the power of the Rosary, it would be the end of me!’”

For those who don't know, fr. Amorth was the lead Vatican exorcist for a looong time, God rest his soul.

>>800049

>You may as well be relying on folk tales

Why don't you go accompany an exorcist and get back to us whether the claim is a folk tale.

Also, what exactly does exorcism have to do with magic?

>>800051

>I must fervishly laud everything Romanic every waking hour [panting and heavy breathing]

All I'm saying is that the claim of Latin being exceptional may be a bit overstated. Also who's to say there aren't parallels and connections between exorcistic rituals. You don't think only the Catholic Church possesses them do you?

>>800053

I'm not catholic (inb4), and I decided to start researching accounts of exorcisms. Outside Roman Rite exorcisms, the have a higher tendency to come back.

If recommend reading Gabriele Amorth.

>>800053

>All I'm saying is that the claim of Latin being exceptional may be a bit overstated

What I am saying is that Latin, according to the exorcists, is much more effective than vernacular. I don't know about Greek or Aramaic, I never made a claim that Latin is more effective than those languages.

>You don't think only the Catholic Church possesses them do you?

Of course not, priests of all Apostolic Churches have the Apostolic authority to do exorcisms.

Now, prots can do some too, but in serious cases a validly ordained priest has to do it. You can hear it explained here, I put the timestamp in it. Blai was a psychology student who started accompanying exorcists because he wanted to prove that 'demon possession' is a a mere psychosis. Now he's one of the top laymen who works with exorcists.

https://youtu.be/9wC6nSDbXXw?t=709

>>800044

Who do you think I am? I'm just saying it follows traditional renderings for the most part. It's among one of the better choices in that respect, given that most English translations are iconoclastic and love breaking with tradition. It could be better though. I'm actually coming from an Orthodox perspective, so I don't actually like the KJV as much as the average KJV proponent. I'd prefer some version that followed Brenton's LXX accompanied with a Patriarchal text translated like the KJV (one guy has done that on the internet, but it's not published in print form unfortunately. If I had church approval, I'd invest in this myself!). Like I said earlier, you'd be surprised how many Orthodox come across like KJV-Only types.

As for demons, Christ's name is powerful no matter what language. They fear him all the same. They fear him even when he doesn't say anything, such as Legion who ran up to him first and begged him to go away. This is why Messianic Sacred Namers are just as silly. And why Jews in general are lost and miserable - they don't even think people are getting the Word of God, unless it's in Hebrew. Don't imitate their nonsense.

>>800061

You sound familiar…..

In any case yeah Brenton's seems to be the most legit LXX translation. Maybe using this with Murdock's translation of the Peshitta could be the patrician Orthodox translation option.

As for Jews and Hebrew, I like most people simply want a comprehensive compilation from all sources. We're not going to simply relegate it to the dust heap of history and neither will the churches.

>>800064

I really have no idea why are you feigning confusion, I think both I and the other guy you quoted were perfectly clear. Latin is on the same level as Hebrew, Greek and Arameic. I gave the example of exorcists to support my argument.

>Well whatever, those bowls and charms were for trapping demons btw apparently.

There's a difference between exorcisms and blessed objects. I don't know about trapping, this is certainly not something that Catholic or Orthodox mention, but exorcists will tell you that sprinkling holy water in your house drives demons away. A blessed article of faith has the same effect.

>>800072

There were a bunch of those found in Mesopotamia. When speaking about these subjects one has to avoid taking for granted that one is living in the modern scientific era and that in past times the rationale for using spells and rituals for different circumstances and ailments would have varied from region to region. Surely many would not refrain from the use of such for the well being of theirselves or others, and as such, moving into the era of Christian periods these may have come to be intertwined with a Christian influence.

>>799856

this, also the Latin Vulgate is an important source for the Bible. although it's a translation, it's an ancient translation, and St. Jerome likely worked from primary sources which are no longer extant.

>>800064

We have IDs.

>>799987

The French made changes occur in English, but they did not create it. Stop trying to say English is from Latin just because you think Latin is cool. I'm not saying it ins't but English is very clearly from both Anglo-Saxon and Old Norse decent.

>>800104

Except English is a Romance language. If William the Conquerer never conquered Britannia, English would never be English. Deny it all you want, but your anti-Latin bias will never change the fact that English is a Romance language. Get over it.

Jesus predicated in Koine Greek. The New Testament is in Koine Greek.

>>799831

Because Catholicism is just the Roman Empire with the Pope as the Emperor with "supremacy over all princes and kings in spiritual and temporal TEMPORAL matters" (what the Vatican used to claim).

>>800125

That's not how linguistics works. English is a Western Germanic language. Vocabulary does not determine what family a language belongs in, but rather its genealogy and grammar.

>>800125

>English is a romance language

lol

>>800125

Except it isn't. English is a West Germanic language. Its grammar and phonology reflect that. For example, Grimm's law applies really well to English, as it does to all Germanic languages. Yes, over 60% of English vocabulary is French or Latin. However, most of the French and Latin vocab is used in more formal contexts like scientific names. Everyday English has mostly Germanic vocabulary.

>>799856

>Latin is a dead language, which means it cannot be changed.

This argument is pretty weak when you consider that Latin was very much a living language when Rome first adopted it. The Vulgate was considered vulgar because Greek-speaking nobles didn't like the idea of Latin-speaking peasants reading the Scriptures.

>>800147

>>800136

>GRAMMAR GRAMMAR WAAA WAAA!!!

Are you guys too retarded to realize that English, just like Romance languages, uses subject-verb-object structure? Germanic languages use V2. The grammar proves English is a Romance language, faggots.

>>800176

We already covered the fact that Catholic Exorcists have commented that their prayers are more efficacious when done in Latin. With this, we have objective proof that Latin is the superior language for exorcism prayers.

Is it possible one could extrapolate from this then and argue that God loves prayers done in Latin more than other languages? If demons hate Latin more, does God love Latin more?

>>800226

>prayers are more efficacious when done in Latin

By saying such you reduce the potential of God and the angels, as if they understood other language less clearly, which goes against the very essence of the scriptural message as it has been commonly understood.

What it could be in any case I think is that rites and ceremonies have not had the time to be as eloquently developed and embellished in more recent vernaculars thereby reducing the potential for spiritual captivation through them. It could also be that prayers with more repetition throughout the history have attained more power through the spiritual energy of the people.

>>800217

>just like Romance languages, uses subject-verb-object structure?

As >>800237 pointed out, Latin is not strict in the structuring of sentences.

fūgērunt ab hominibus canēs

ab hominibus canēs fūgērunt

canēs fūgērunt ab hominibus

etc.

>>800237

English has more in common with Ancient Greek and Latin than it ever will with German. It's just fact. Its roots are in Gaul, the Normans, and Flemish, and not with the savage forest peoples that inhabited Germany.

Is there Germanic influence? Yes of course. Is it Germanic? Just as much as, or even less than it is a Romance language.

>>800251

I just completely proved you wrong in so many ways and yet you continue. Cognitive dissonance?

>>800252

I am a different anon. Also, you proved nothing. You said 60% of the language is Latin/French vocabulary then you went on to claim that since it uses sounds similar to German, it is German.

It is neither, it is both and if you want to get down to percentages, you gave it yourself. It is more Latin based than Germanic.

Probably having to do with the Roman Empire civilizing the entire barbaric region over the course of many centuries.

>>800217

Latin's default word order is SOV.

>>800254

I literally just demonstrated that the core grammar of English is Germanic, the phonology is Germanic, English is directly descended from a Germanic language and not a Romance language, and on top of that everyday/simple English is Germanic. Most Romance words in English are used in more formal settings like science. For example, "I had lunch with my friends and we read some books." is a simple English sentence and 100% of it is Germanic. Once again, vocab count doesn't determine what language family a language belongs to. Once again, for the 1000th time, linguist determine language families primarily by grammar and phonology. Linguists are in agreement that English, as a language, sits comfortably as a West Germanic language. Get over yourself, Papist.

>>800263

So why should the bible be in English then?

>>800266

So English speakers could read it…

>>800269

But why? Why should the word of Christ be perverted and mistranslated by man?

>>800226

Catholics don't even ask about exorcism in other circles. How would you even know? Have you talked to any Orthodox priests? You could get the same testimony of the power of Christ from Russians, Greeks, Serbians, and Arabs. Secondly, you insult Christ himself for Latin was the least likely language that he would use, unless talking to a centurion or Pilate maybe. He didn't need Caesar's tongue to cast out devils. You insult Peter and Paul who largely chose to speak in Greek in their day. Is every one of their Epistles and blessings invalid because they didn't recite the magical words in a special way? You insult anyone in the 2000 years of the Church, be it a child or a bishop who wasn't Latin speaking, who cried to Jesus and prayed for protection. Apparently in your mind everyone is in torment unless they recite Latin. You may as well be a pagan, for they think the same stupid things about their spells. And you may as well be like Jews. They're the ones who think they have special power in their linguistics. The Muslims are just as bad and give Arabic a sacred power. What all of these have in common is they are small minded and men who live according to the flesh. And they are all miserably dead in sin because of it. Don't imitate them. Be a person of the Spirit. Not flesh. Jesus already told you this and I shouldn't have to remind you:

"Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." - John 4:19-24

>>800270

So you want to be a Muslim now and claim "w-well you can only u-understand scripture in its original language!" You do know that God desires everyone to be saved, right? He told his followers to go to all nations. His word isn't limited to Greek, Hebrew, or Aramaic.

>>799831

What's wrong with Latin? It was the universal language of the Church for a time, and Jesus knew and spoke it. One could argue:

>Why are Baptists so obsessed with the KJV 1611? It's not even printed in a Biblical language. The books composing the Bible were originally written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Learn one of those languages. The KJV 1611 seems to be the Bible of those who hold to the traditions of men tbqh.

>>800251

English:

I have an apple

German:

Ich habe ein Apfel

Latin:

ego malum habeo

Spanish:

yo tengo una manzana

French:

J'ai une pomme

Clearly, the English is most similar to the German.

>>800280

Greek: Εχω μήλο (Echo melo).

"I have an apple."

Yep, German is the most similar.

>>800278

I never claimed that the bible was divine (like what the muslims claim). Latin is a dead language and can't be changed, Christ spoke Latin too. Why should it be mistranslated and paraphrased.?

Is this an acceptable translation? Is allowing the word of God to be tainted okay to you?

Matthews 6:9-13

>The world is full of so-called prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant. They’re full of formulas and programs and advice, peddling techniques for getting what you want from God. Don’t fall for that nonsense. This is your Father you are dealing with, and he knows better than you what you need. With a God like this loving you, you can pray very simply. Like this:

Our Father in heaven,

Reveal who you are.

Set the world right;

Do what’s best—

as above, so below.

Keep us alive with three square meals.

Keep us forgiven with you and forgiving others.

Keep us safe from ourselves and the Devil.

You’re in charge!

You can do anything you want!

You’re ablaze in beauty!

Yes. Yes. Yes.

>>800285

based and messagepilled

>>800294

I hate how people think the word of God is a joke and be changed and perverted into other languages. Is it a joke? Is it laugh?

>>800285

> 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

> 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

> 6:8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

What you did was turn 'hypocrites' into 'prayer warriors who are prayer-ignorant', you skipped Christ's instruction to pray privately, you turned the instruction to not babble like a heathen into not following formulas from a hypocrite. And _you_ did it. The men working for King James didn't.

>>800318

Than dont ever pray wth us in the prayer thread or in a congregation if you sincerely think Jesus said we can only pray privately.

Also, learn some greek and you will realize "vain repetitions" isn't what you think it is.

Jesus also spoke Greek, Pilate wouldn't have known Aramaic.

>>800295

You misunderstand. The joke isn't the scripture, the joke is The Message Bible. It is so bad it's good, like The Room. The Message is a meme at this point.

Also

>he isn't an MSG-onlyist

Take the MSGpill, anon.

Get WOKE go spiritually BROKE

>>800279

>and Jesus knew and spoke it

You have no evidence to this or are ignorant of the role that Greek played in adminstrative communication. In Acts 21 when Paul is questioned by Roman officials in Jerusalem he was asked if he knew "Hellenist" ( Ἑλληνιστί).

>>800335

There's nothing to say Roman officials couldn't have become fluent in the local vernaculars. Some document showing habits and tendencies of the period would be relevant.

Regardless this desire to paint Jesus as a superhuman polyglot potentially treads on being an inability to accept his human nature more assertively.

>>800360

Jesus gave the Apostles the ability to understand and speak any language on Pentecost, so logically, that's something He could have done if He had wanted to.

>>800362

In that case then any language is as exceptional and is seen as simply a means for conveying the intended message.

>>800285

>Vulgate is the perfect unaltered word of God

Where have we heard this before. The Catholic Church ditched Vulgate onlyism too btw.

Reminds me of some past Anglican cleric who held up the KJB to his seminary or something and told them to remember that "this is not the Bible". Based.

>>799831

John 19:20 (KJV)

This title then read many of the Jews: for the place where Jesus was crucified was nigh to the city: and it was written in Hebrew, and Greek, and Latin.

>>800226

That doesn't make sense, to say that God would favor one language over another seems strange. Why would the almighty God care about the language, did not the apostles gain the ability to speak in many tongues to spread the word of the Lord across all nations?

>>800247

>By saying such you reduce the potential of God and the angels, as if they understood other language less clearly

Firstly, I'm not the one saying this. It's Catholic exorcists that say that their prayers are more effective in Latin.

Secondly, just because the prayers are more effective in Latin, that does not necessarily mean that it's because Latin is more easily understood. Perhaps Latin has more power because it's a more beautiful language, in God's eyes?

>What it could be in any case I think is that rites and ceremonies have not had the time to be as eloquently developed and embellished in more recent vernaculars thereby reducing the potential for spiritual captivation through them.

What does this process look like and how long does it take?

>It could also be that prayers with more repetition throughout the history have attained more power through the spiritual energy of the people.

What is this theory rooted in? Is that really Christian thinking? I would expect ideas like this from /fringe/. Do you have anything of the Bible or of the Church to back up your speculation?

>>800226

>Exorcists have commented that their prayers are more efficacious when done in Latin

Absolute fantasy.

>>800275

>Catholics don't even ask about exorcism in other circles. How would you even know?

Are you disregarding the report that exorcisms are more effective in Latin, according to Catholic Exorcists?

>Have you talked to any Orthodox priests?

What do they have to do with this? They're not Catholic Exorcists.

>You could get the same testimony of the power of Christ from Russians, Greeks, Serbians, and Arabs.

I agree that anyone can testify to the power of Christ but I'm comparing the power of prayer through the various languages because at least with regards to exorcisms, Latin holds supremacy and there seems to be no explanation as to why.

>Secondly, you insult Christ himself for Latin was the least likely language that he would use, unless talking to a centurion or Pilate maybe.

How is it an insult to Christ? Is it because you feel that I'm asserting Latin mattered more to him than it "really" does (how much it really matters is precisely what's being examined)? I believe you could be right. All that means then though is that the reason behind why Latin works more effectively in exorcisms returns to being unexplained.

Admittedly though, I do have a new theory: It's not that God loves Latin more but rather, it's just that demons hate it. That's it. It could be that prayers done in Latin have wounded them in the past and so, when done in Latin again, the prayers more readily "reopen the wound", so to speak.

>He didn't need Caesar's tongue to cast out devils.

True but then again, he was God.

>You insult Peter and Paul who largely chose to speak in Greek in their day. Is every one of their Epistles and blessings invalid because they didn't recite the magical words in a special way?

Not invalid. Just not necessarily as strong.

>You insult anyone in the 2000 years of the Church, be it a child or a bishop who wasn't Latin speaking, who cried to Jesus and prayed for protection. Apparently in your mind everyone is in torment unless they recite Latin.

"God loves Latin" doesn't mean "God hates non-Latin languages"

>You may as well be a pagan, for they think the same stupid things about their spells. And you may as well be like Jews. They're the ones who think they have special power in their linguistics. The Muslims are just as bad and give Arabic a sacred power.

Does Latin seem to help with exorcisms? Then Latin does seem to hold some kind of sacred power for some reason. Maybe God doesn't love Latin more. Maybe that was the wrong thing to say. Maybe it's best to just leave it be as an unexplained fact.

>>800385

I agree. I have a new theory: it's not that God loves Latin but rather, it's just that demons hate it. Why? No idea.

>>800475

I hope you stop doubting.

>>800478

>I hope you stop doubting.

I hope you stop posting nonsense.

Latin is not a Biblical language! Not a single sentence in the Bible is written in Latin! Stay mad papists.

>>800510

I'm Orthodox. We gave you the Bible.

>>800518

>Modern Greek is the same as Ancient Greek.

Anon, I…

>>800285

Christ spoke Greek. He predicated in Greek, not Aramaic or Hebrew. The entire region, Judea including, had been completely Hellenized for 400 years. The Persians, before the Romans, left it as the official language for the region. The Romans left it as the official language of the region, the entirety of Roman official magisterial work for the region was in Greek. Pontious Pilot spoke Greek, the centurion spoke Greek. Jesus spoke Greek.

We even know that it was Koine Greek.

Jesus did not amass a large following of people throughout the region by speaking in a savage dialect only some backwater filthy villagers spoke (Aramaic). He did it by speaking the language of the day.

The equivalent to today in the US would be saying Jesus was born on an Indian reservation then he spent the remainder of his life preaching in Comanche up and down the east coast of the US and amassed a large following.

We have been lied to our whole lives.

Read the Greek. It is entirely different than the insane translations of deluded English speaking Middle Age lunatics.

>>800280

Do you see your own example?

The Romance languages look nothing like Latin and the "Germanic" ones share the same verb with Latin habeo-habe-have.

In your own example you clearly show how Latin influenced the entire region. Even German is a Romance language.

Thank you Rome for civilizing the barbarians.

>>799856

Lame excuse. It still got to be easier to just learn the full archaic meaning of the word pharmakeia and remember it.

>>800564

What do you think of this wikipedia article?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_influence_in_English

>>800564

>Even German is a Romance language.

0/10 troll

>>800564

Latin "habeo" and English "have" aren't related.

For English:

>From Middle English haven, from Old English habban, hafian (“to have”), from Proto-Germanic *habjaną (“to have”), durative of *habjaną (“to lift, take up”), from Proto-Indo-European *kh₂pyéti, present tense of *keh₂p- (“to take, seize, catch”). Cognate with Saterland Frisian hääbe (“to have”), West Frisian hawwe (“to have”), Dutch hebben (“to have”), Low German hebben, hewwen (“to have”), German haben (“to have”), Danish have (“to have”), Swedish hava (“to have”), Norwegian Nynorsk ha (“to have”), Icelandic hafa (“to have”), Latin capiō (“take”, verb), Russian хапать (xapatʹ, “to seize”).

For Latin:

>From Proto-Italic *habēō or *haβēō, the latter may be from Proto-Indo-European *gʰeh₁bʰ- (“to grab, to take”). Compare Old Irish gaibid (“to take, hold”), Polish gabać (“to grab, snatch”). English have is not a cognate, despite similarity in meaning and form. Instead, it is cognate with capiō (“to take”).

However, there are descendants of the Latin "habere" in Romance languages, e.g. Portuguese "haver", Spanish "haber", Italian "avere", French "avoir", Romanian "avea" or Sardinian "àere".

>>799987

William was literally a bastard. Harold Godwinson did nothing wrong

>>800221

>English is Romance! I'm totally Roman, bruv!

Next level wewuzism

>>800843

"Papist" here myself, you are absolutely retarded.

>>800843

Anon stop it! The English conquered the Romans, made slaves of them; you disgrace your ancestors when you identify with their lessors.

>>800843

No one is saying that English isn't a romance language because "it's papist", they're saying that English isn't a romance language because is not a romance language. Look at >>800790 for an excellent example.

>>800853

*doesn't mean we can't have our own

>>800850

>being this much of a historical revisionist

Hilarious

>>800852

See

>>799885

>>800011

>>799919

>>800790

>Latin "habeo" and English "have" aren't related.

Says who? A lunatic you quoted? The text you posted is comparing Latin to Old Irish and Polish, wtf??? Then it goes on to say that "have" in English really means "to take," as in Latin's "capio."

Really? "Have" means take? What brain dead idiot wrote that text? Have means possession of being, the exact same that habeo means, and haver and haber, and avere, and etc. etc. It clearly shows the influence Latin had on English.

Nice try, but every supposed piece of evidence you cite shows the exact opposite.

>>800679

Yep, sounds right to me. Clearly a great Latin influence over any other language over a millennia at many different points. Calling English a Germanic language is like calling the Apollo astronauts Celts.

>>800864

You must be a troll, there can't be someone so retarded to say that the guy who post it was comparing Latin to Old Irish and Polish. In case you are just a brainlet, i will tell you what it was said: Habeo was originated from the word "*gʰeh₁bʰ-" from the Proto-Indo-European, which originated the word "gaibid" from Old Irish and "gabać" from Polish.

>>800870

You do know that Proto-Indo-European is a made up conjecture, correct? It has very little basis in reality.

>>800869

English has just taken many words from romance languages it seems that way, but it is not.

>>800462

>I would expect ideas like this from /fringe/.

Taking the statements of exorcists at face value could be pretty questionable also, not to mention it's not clear whether they actually said "Latin works better at driving out demons" or if it was rather suggested more ambiguously. If Latin is taken to be more effective at driving demons out then by that same logic it could suggest that Latin is more coherent among them, thereby possibly a preferred medium of communication for them, which may not sound as endearing.

My reason for rationalizing it as such comes from the observation of how people are asked to hold others in their prayers and how this would by some form of reasoning be superfluous if it were of no effect. Similarly objects and sites of frequent homage and veneration also seem to acquire a position of holiness.

>Perhaps Latin has more power because it's a more beautiful language, in God's eyes?

Aside from the rather vainglorious attitude of the statement, there is nothing to substantiate this from scripture either.

>>800862

My reply was in response to the anon suggesting that the presence of Romance words in English was irrelevant or inexistent because it's Germanic.

>>800872

Well the evidence for the English language's Anglo-Saxon origins are even more substantiated.

In any case if you are going to use the terms of secular linguistics then you should logically abide by the rules of classification it uses.

Creoles and Pidgins are not considered African or indigenous language based but the reverse as rather having influences from those instead. So before anyone asks yes, many of the colonial creoles and pidgins are based on colonial European languages.

>>800862

I stand by my statement >>800852 because funposters aren't people. Sage for not adding to the discussion.

>>800891

Surely you mean poopost as a little fun posting doesn't hurt.

>>800898

You're right, that's what I mean, I couldn't think of how else to word it that wasn't against the rules of this Christian minecraft forum.

>>800869

But the thing is, the wikipedia article argues that English is a Germanic language, it's just that it has borrowed a lot of Latin words and vocabulary. That's it. It's not agreeing with you at all.

>>800850

>The English conquered the Romans

The English conquered an outpost of the Roman empire that was 95% non-Roman, and only after hundreds of years after Rome's decline.

Comparing Anglos who only ruled half an island in Europe to Romans who ruled almost all of Europe is an absolute joke.

>>800940

>Were the Romano-British Romans? Yes

>Did the Anglo-Saxons conquer them? Yes

>Therefore, is it correct to say the English conquered the Romans? Yes

Stop being butthurt about historical facts, Mario

>>800944

I tried so hard

And got so far

But in the end

It doesn't even matter

>>800950

Darn I guess protestantism wins again. Whatever shall I do?

>>800011

Yes, but the grammar is purely Germanic, and that is what linguists use to classify languages. Basque has a lot of Spanish words but that diesnt make it a romance language either

>>800864

Not a lunatic. Linguists. The people who went to school to study language. I think they understand it better than you

>>799856

No, you should preach and teach in a language people understand. Not in Latin unless everyone you are speaking to knows it (most of the time they don't).

Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue

lol at people in this thread trying to LARP as Romans. English is a Theedish tongue.

>>800858

>claiming something that was promised you

I'm sure that Edward also promised all those thainships and all the other nobility positions to all William's buddies right? Also I was promised the throne of England, the Queen told me yesterday.

>>801056

https://rootsenglish.miraheze.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

>>801084

thoughts?

>>801028

Of course, that pie also shows the percentage of Germanic words.

>>800853

>>801084

It would be even more complete using futhark.

Seriously though it would mean the loss of plenty of valuable terminology and derivatives which include many church concepts. Also the meaning of loans has acquired an understood meaning which available Germanic and Anglish terms would not do justice to.

Some words could be replaced though to be less exclusionistic to an uninitiated demographic like replacing "equinox" with something like the Scandinavian terms for it as 'evenday'.

Sometimes lost and rare English terms can be useful for translating some words in biblical texts more precisely, like much of the prefixed terminology, "behear", "besend", and dialectal words like "bairns" (for τέκνον (téknon), and less common words of Latin origin as well.

Ephesians 6:1

The children, behear your engenderers in Lord, for this is righteous.

https://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm

So all in all it should not be used as a replacement language but as a source to draw from to enrich it.

>>801121

Mistake on the link

https://biblehub.com/text/ephesians/6-1.htm