Getting baptized and confirmed into the catholic church next saturday. I keep telling myself I will stop masturbating, but keep falling into sin, also I don’t want to have to confess that. How do you guys not masturbate?

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Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 16:59:20 53de70 No.795363

Getting baptized and confirmed into the catholic church next saturday. I keep telling myself I will stop masturbating, but keep falling into sin, also I don’t want to have to confess that. How do you guys not masturbate?

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:08:57 f5b679 No.795364

There is no sex in heaven

Think about that

go through the letters of paul

the perfect life is one abstaining from all sexuality

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:24:26 7c051d No.795366

I pray the rosary.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:33:07 66a40a No.795370

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>also I don’t want to have to confess that

Nothing that is hidden will not be known (Luke 8:17). Good luck trying to hide your sins from Christ. Owe up to them and confess them to Him, unless you want to be bound by them at the last judgment.

>How do you guys not masturbate?

It's difficult to masturbate when you burn with love and concern for the whole creation. How could I indulge in such a thing, which only benefits myself with short-term pleasure, when countless people before myself as well as right now are either suffering for the sake of many, or else being persecuted? How many are killing their own souls by hating their neighbors and hating God? How could I sit back and jack off when I'm tasked by God with helping and healing those around myself, as well as praying for the world?

And I love God's creatures. They reveal Him and give us sacramental communion with Him. So how could I do violence to my body by masturbating, when this body carries the image of God, and furthermore became consubstantial with Christ when He became incarnate as a man?

Don't get me wrong, it happens to me to masturbate sometimes (like once every 5-6 weeks). I am not a saint. I don't mean to sound like a moralizer. But, when you fall in love with someone, you are contained by something greater than yourself, rather than your usual experience of containing, comprehending, things smaller than yourself. This changes your whole perspective and it becomes completely natural to you to dedicate yourself to this person, unconditionally. Infidelities can happen now and then, because you are a bad person, but it doesn't change that your sight is only on this person you want to live for. The same is true for those who have contemplated God - when you are immersed in His mystery, what else could you do afterward but burn with love for Him and for what He made? Infidelities can happen occasionally, but this does not change your aim.

Also, often, sexual arousal and the desire to masturbate come from lusting after the human form (either pornography, or erotic artwork). But remember and acknowledge that humans carry the image of God, and even drawings of humans (and, by extension, of human-like characters) are caricatures of the image of God. People say that TV is the devil's iconography, but I would also say that pornography is the devil's iconography. Would you masturbate to an icon of the Theotokos? Or would you think about having sex with her? If you revile this idea, how much more do you think you should revile the idea of doing such a thing regarding people who are still on this earth, who you can see right now with just a few clicks?

I hope what I said can be helpful, christanon.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:40:49 5120c4 No.795374

>>795370

I meant, I want to stop so I don’t have to confess it, If I do it i’ll obviously confess.

also yes, Very good way to put it in perspective. Thanks non

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:44:10 66a40a No.795376

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>>795374

You know you're going to do a life confession, right? I mean, I'm not Catholic, but if you're being baptized and confirmed, that's what I assume. So you'll have to confess it at least once anyway, even if you somehow manage to purify yourself of this passion entirely within the time you have left before your baptism.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 17:58:34 5120c4 No.795379

>>795376

Baptism cleanses Original and Personal sin.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 18:18:59 66a40a No.795384

>>795379

So Catholics don't do life confessions? I didn't know that.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 18:47:18 80d794 No.795395

>>795384

Catholics do believe in life confessions. He's misunderstanding the cleansing of sin from baptism. Baptism cleanses sins committed before it but not sins after. Meaning life confessions are still necessary for the forgiveness of sins.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 19:17:56 5120c4 No.795403

>>795384

What do you mean by life confessions? In my mind i’m thinking everything before baptism must be confessed even after baptism. But catholics do have to go to confession throughout life, if that’s what you mean.

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 19:27:45 66a40a No.795404

>>795403

… I mean a life confession. That is, a confession of all the sins you can remember doing in your life, up to that point. Normally done when someone comes over to Orthodoxy from atheism, or another religion, or a Christian sect with no sacramental grace, but again I don't actually know if Catholics do it, I just assumed.

So are you supposed to do a life confession or not? Because, again, if so, you will have to confess that you masturbated, even if you somehow manage to be free of this passion before your baptism (but that shouldn't be expected of you anyway - it's like expecting someone to win the gold medal before they enter the race).

Christanon 04/12/19 (Fri) 19:36:19 5120c4 No.795408

>>795404

All sins pre baptism are forgiven from baptism. So no I guess?

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 03:15:34 e4c446 No.795476

Wait a minute, if all your sins are forgiven by baptism, why wouldn't you just do whatever you like all your life and then get baptized on your deathbed and go straight to Heaven?

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 03:18:14 d8c142 No.795480

>>795476

>all your sins are forgiven by baptism

>protestant logic

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 03:20:24 e4c446 No.795482

>>795480

Most Protestants don't even think baptism is necessary.

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 05:42:21 e71de0 No.795492

>>795476

Christianity isn't a matter of being in one or two states - "forigven" or "not forgiven" - and going through the necessary prodecures to be in the former category before it's too late.

Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ, and we seek to be united to Him through the sacraments principally because we love Him.

Baptism forgives our sins, and yet (at least for the Orthodox) we also receive the sacrament of Chrismation and the sacrament of Repentance and the sacrament of the Eucharist right afterward, even though those all forgive sin too.

God isn't a vending machine where you put a baptism and receive a salvation. He knows the contents of our heart. Will He be tricked by somebody who purposefully delays their baptism until their last day so that they can live in debauchery?

On another note, it happens that the practice of delaying baptism until one's death bed was common in the early Church. Most famously, this is what St Constantine did. Because of theological confusion, no one was really sure whether grave sins could be forgiven after Baptism, and so people who had faith in Christ but were caught up in things that would make them sin often (being a government official, being a soldier, going from one opinion about Christ's nature to another, etc) delayed their Baptism until the end of their life. As a result, infant baptism was rare, frequent communion was rare (because those who aren't baptized can't commune, obviously), and even highly educated theologians like St Ambrose of Milan were not baptized yet but were still on the forefront of defending the orthodox faith (in fact, in his case, everyone wanted him to become a bishop but he wasn't even a layman yet).

>>795480

What is up with people accusing Catholic/Orthodox beliefs of being Protestant, recently?

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 06:32:27 b40416 No.795498

>>795363

I'm going to say this up front; I'm not a good example to follow.

However I tried something new recently, and I think it has promise for both scientific ans spiritual reasons. St. Paul of the Cross says that whenever you are assailed by thoughts of sin, cry out to God for deliverance (inwardly obviously in public). He says especially do not hesitate in doing so. This seems to make sense because of how strong our impulses are, the way the brain works it seems that strong desires put you into an autopilot mode towards fulfilling them.

Effectively, the way it seems to work is that if you let it slide, you give your assent, and thereafter you are in the grip of the enemy until the desire is satisfied. So you need to do something to reassert control from the start; demand the demons to leave and implore God to save you from the second your mind starts to wander towards sin.

If you really don't want to fall into sin it should work. Knowing that if you fail, you have to go to confession is nudge in the right direction, since presumably it's embarrassing.

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 09:03:57 20766c No.795517

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Hey anon! Just did my first confession today actually since I’m also joining the Church. It felt GREAT, I honestly felt a huge spiritual shift. I wasn’t a perfect guy the rest of the day(looking at women, etc), but my Priest suggested praying the Sorrowful Mysteries and really putting myself in Christ’s place, especially the prayer in the Garden when Jesus asks the Father to take the burden from Him. I’d also like to suggest praying a Novena to St Joseph, considering that he didn’t violate our Lady’s chastity, he’d understand and is all around a good role model(in addition to being the “terror of demons”, like lust). In regards to doing a first confession as an adult, I used a checklist as a guide and tried to remember my sins(since Baptism), the main thing is to not hold back stuff you can actually remember. Another suggestion for fighting masturbation, visualize the demon trying to coerce you into giving in, think about how much that evil mothersucker hates you and wants to destroy you. The Screw Tape Letters is good for this. Also, if you do give in, think about what Fulton Sheen said about Satan, he gets you to sin and then immediately accuses you of the sin he goaded you into, think about that after you fail, you’ll see that it’s true. Best of luck brother! You’ll feel much better after confession, I promise!

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 15:06:36 bce807 No.795590

>>795363

>Getting baptized and confirmed into the catholic church next saturday.

Don't do it. The pope is the false prophet of the book of revelations and even if he weren't, why would you want to raise your kids around a bunch of pedophile priests?

Christanon 04/13/19 (Sat) 22:09:46 405690 No.795694

Think about the embarrassment of having to confess it, that's strong enough to make me stop. Getting baptized and confirmed soon also.

Christanon 04/14/19 (Sun) 00:01:00 5ede1b No.795713

>>795363

Confess to God, not corrupt hierarchies of man

Christanon 04/14/19 (Sun) 00:01:38 e3eeea No.795714

>>795363

Isn't that one sword too few?

Christanon 04/14/19 (Sun) 00:15:31 5120c4 No.795716

>>795517

God bless you anon. Very great message to help me try and stop.

Christanon 04/14/19 (Sun) 01:54:56 80e7b4 No.795736

>>795590

Now that’s some low quality bait

Christanon 04/14/19 (Sun) 02:43:28 d8e9c9 No.795751

>>795590

Shit b8.

Christanon 04/16/19 (Tue) 01:57:10 ae9116 No.796639

>>795384

If you're baptized before confirmation then all those sins are forgiven and not needed to be confessed. But if you were baptized as an infant, like in a Protestant church for example, you would still need to do a life confession.

Christanon 04/16/19 (Tue) 02:33:54 10e516 No.796659

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>>795363

With time you will understand. Once you have to confess it you will feel the shame of your sins and the Holy Spirit will dwell in you once more upon absolution. This is not to say you will not stumble any longer, but you'll definitely feel the difference. It will take time, anon, but with God's grace you will grow to detest sin and lose all affection for it. I recommend pic related, St. Francis de Sale will scare the shit out of you. He will put the fear of eternal damnation into your heart until you detest all your sins.

https://www.baroniuspress.com/book.php?wid=56&bid=63#tab=tab-1

Christanon 04/16/19 (Tue) 02:37:46 10e516 No.796662

>>795476

That's what people used to do. It is definitely ill advised today, especially since baptism is a permanent mark of the Holy Spirit that allows the recipient extraordinary grace to life a holy life.

>>795480

They are. Is your catechism this poor?

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 21:12:33 51e530 No.797274

>>795476

t. Constantine

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 21:17:31 e3eeea No.797275

>>795363

>next saturday

What? Adults usually get baptized on Easter day, why not you?

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 21:22:02 14b1ad No.797278

Thje best things are mental prayer using the passion and the 4 last things

http://alphonsianum.blogspot.com/2010/07/22-habit-of-sin.html

The habitual sinner may say: Is my salvation then hopeless? No, you are not beyond hope: if you wish to apply it, there is still a remedy for the past. But a certain author says, that in grievous maladies very severe remedies are necessary. If to a sick man in danger of death, and unwilling to take medicine, because he is not aware of the malignity of his disease, the physician said: Friend, you will certainly die unless you take such a medicine: what would be the answer of the invalid? He would say, “As my life is in danger, I am ready to obey all your directions.” Dearly beloved Christian, if you are an habitual sinner. I say the same to you. You are very ill; you are one of these invalids who, as St. Thomas of Villanova says, are seldom cured;32 you are on the brink of perdition. But if you wish to recover from your illness, there is a remedy for you; however, you must not expect a miracle of grace. You must on your part labor hard to take away the occasions of sin, to avoid bad company, to resist temptations by recommending yourself to God as soon as you perceive them: you must adopt the means of salvation, by going frequently to confession, by reading a spiritual book every day, by practising devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and continually imploring her to obtain for you strength not to relapse into sin. You must do violence to yourself: otherwise the threat of the Lord against obstinate sinners will fall upon you. You shall die in your sin. And if you do not adopt these means now that the Lord gives you light, you will scarcely adopt them hereafter. Listen to God calling you to repentance. Lazarus, come forth. Poor sinner! you are long dead: go forth from the dark grave of your sinful life. Respond at once to the call, and give yourself instantly to God. Tremble lest this should be the last call for you.

But you will get extra grace from baptism and confirmation and if you go to confession, will be much easier then

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 21:22:34 14b1ad No.797279

>>797275

not easter vigil seems to be more common atleast from my experience and people i've talked too

kind of easter day technically

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 22:51:58 44d574 No.797291

>>795363

I'm going to be confirmed in a month or so, and I've relapsed terribly with masturbation and porn over the last week. I was doing good for a while… never give in to temptation, anons.

>>797275

My parish (if not the entire diocese) baptizes on the Easter Vigil (i.e. Saturday evening). It varies from place to place.

Christanon 04/17/19 (Wed) 23:35:10 87e3ec No.797303

>>795363

segregating yourself away from so much lewd exposure makes it much easier to quit.

Basically if things seem too difficult, you're doing it wrong. You're probably much too surrounded by lewds.

Christanon 04/18/19 (Thu) 00:13:17 c30c92 No.797312

>>795404

There is such a thing as a "General Confession".

Christanon 04/18/19 (Thu) 01:33:39 e45ea8 No.797333

>>797303

This. Back when I was first giving up smut I had about 30k images on an external drive, so I took that drive and buried it in the deepest corner of a closet in a room separate from my computer. It sat there for a month or more until I finally worked up the courage to delete everything. Props to you if you can delete everything immediately, but do whatever you can to separate yourself from the smut.

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 16:33:44 828cbf No.800148

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>>797291

I've been in a war with masturbation for the last 6 months. Confessing weekly or each 2 weeks. I'll have my confirmation in a year, let's pray for our success

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 16:40:35 8f4dc7 No.800152

>>797333

>>797303

Same here, but with videogames. I wasted a lot of money on lewd games and was taking all my time and energies; I gifted away my account, deleted steam, sold my ps4, and gave away my TV. I basically went monk mode with technology and use it just for college essays or this board

Sometimes I find myself in porn pages but the need it's going away.

Technology aimed towards leisure is a mistake

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 18:08:37 40f5e9 No.800180

>>795363

>Getting baptized and confirmed into the catholic church next saturday.

I am sorry for you.

>How do you guys not masturbate?

Become Orthodox.

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 20:30:28 44f696 No.800223

>>800152

I admire you anon. I wish I had the willpower to get rid of my technology like that. I struggle very greatly with lazyness

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 20:50:54 c7896e No.800235

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>>800180

I tried that and it didn't work, nothing worked until I cane home to Rome and started to pray the rosary.

>>795363

OP, first of congratulations on getting baptised in God's church. Second off, if you haven't started praying the rosary on a daily, start doing that right now. You'd be amazed how effective it works killing your vices. It helped me kill my porn and drug habits whats the difference, amirite? and I know it will help you too. For our lady will pray for you and keep you close to her Son, Jesus.

God love you, OP. Stay strong and pick up your sword! You are a soldato for Christ now. Have no fear for Jesus and the rest of the Holy Family are by your side.

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 20:58:02 3574fe No.800239

>>800235

I would argue the Jesus prayer is better for these situations as it is simpler, easier to recite and reminds us to be humble, the one thing devils cannot imitate according to St. John Climacus.

It is not Rome or Constantinople or some other bishopric we need to find but Christ himself. It is he who we need to get closer to.

Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me, a sinner.

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 21:12:37 c7896e No.800246

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>>800239

The problem with that is that it needs to be said constantly over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Not everyone has all the time in the world like a monk to do so. The rosary takes at a minimum 20 minutes to recite and contains the Gospel in it, while the constant Jesus Prayers do not.

Don't get me wrong, it is a beautiful prayer and I still keep my prayer rope around from my Eastern days, but it could never prevent me from my porn or drug habits like the rosary does.

If anything, doing both rosary and jesus prayers is the best solution to OP's problem.

Christanon 04/24/19 (Wed) 21:42:46 828cbf No.800259

>>800223

Me too, I struggle still with laziness, but getting rid of unnecessary technology was a great help indeed

Become pragmatic.

It all depends, I have a religious vocation so I'm cutting on everything to purely loathe God; if you're called to live in the world, technology is certainly not a bad thing on it's own, it is sin that corrupts it. Let's say you like videogames. You can make a moderate use of them and balance daily life and prayer with them? Good

They are in the way of your obligations, in the way of your prayer? You have to change. Get rid of the obstacle or learn how to dodge it (put a timer, use them as a reward for something…)