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>>790745

>let he that has no sin cast the first stone

Besides, capital punishment is a reserved power only the state has not the citizenry. Vigilante justice always backfires.

You want to start enforcing the whole law? Did Christ die for nothing?

>>790745

This thread again.jpg

No, we should not follow OT law, we should follow the teachings of Jesus. Who says >>790759

>>790816

Should drunkards be executed? fornicators?

>>790819

Early church fathers defended capital punishment and just war theory. Of course that is different from vigilante justice though.

We should be more concerned with saving souls. I'm not sure how much getting involved in executions (no matter how just the cause) helps with that. I'm more comfortable being on the outside of power, rather than recreating Israel. I hold up the first 3 centuries of the church more than any period, when we didn't have power. If anything, we should have the world show it's true colors - and get stoned by them instead.

>>790825

Yes, i agree with that. But i find the claims of executing homosexuals dubious and erroneous.

>>790816

RushJewny

>>790829

The law of God comes from God, not the Jews.

>>790819

That was not given by God as the punishment for those acts, no.

>>790829

not an argument

>>790819

I don't think drunkards ever saw execution

Fornicators yes if they meet the criteria, like the young woman who does report an alleged rape

>>790851

Why did Rushdoony accept separation of church though? Big oooff moment there.

>>790846

>>790851

Right. What about children who dishonor their parents?

>>790745

a bullet to the head will do

>>790860

What do you mean

>>790875

That's not just a Protestant position. It's the whole early church position, which sadly got hunted down and didn't have any worldly trappings of power to speak of. Justinian is 500 years later. I'm not sure he was great either. He married a monophysite ex-courtesan of a wife, assumed leadership of the church and advocated her positions, and bullied bishops - eventually leading to the premature death of the bishop of Rome, by needlessly tiring the man out. Once Justinian was finished with his bullying, the man died on the ship to his home.

>>790880

>that baptist who rants about "muh state churches"

>>790880

I don't think it's accurate to say the early fathers were for the separation of church and state, that's a very new concept in history.

Also what's the point of arguing for capital punishment from the Bible if ultimately we believe in a secular state? If Rushdoony had been for integration of church and state then maybe it would be more convincing.

>>790816

Actually it doesn't. It is against vigilante justice.

Justice is reserved for the state to enforce. Now if sodomy were still illegal and punishable by death I would support that. Sodomites are a danger to society and especially young children. case in point the kid that is being abused into becomming a tranny and forced to dance at sodomite bars

Unfortunately because we live in the """modern""' world thanks to """some people""" we can't kill them without becoming muslims. We don't have to bring back all the OT laws, just the ones that make sense for a healthy traditional christian society.

>>790864

>Right. What about children who dishonor their parents?

Yes, with important caveats.

https://www.gotquestions.org/stone-rebellious-children.html

Good discussion of the law although the author doesn't think it still applies.

>>790816

Wow, nice, quoting half a sentence.

>Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

It's still a sin. But Leviticus was law for Jews only, and only between the time of Moses and the Crucifixion. Stick to the New covenant.

>>790973

Seeing as context is so important to you..

>18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

>19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

>20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

>>790816

>Look up Rushdoony.

Rushdoony's an idiot which made some retarded dominionist system without precedent in the history of christian states.

>>790759

>quoting an addition that wasn't originally in John

Should we let all criminals go free?