/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>787682

Explain your situation to a priest, he will figure out what to do. We will be praying for you brother.

>>787685

Sorry? What is “the Sunday mass”. Do I have to visit church every Sunday to be saved?

>>787686

Yes, just like how you are obligated to go to the Mosque every friday. I'm sure if your parents noticed you not at the Mosque on Friday and coincidentally gone on Sunday morning they will know you are converting away from Islam.

Thats why I am saying it may not be wise to convert right away in your situation.

>>787687

I forgot to add that you shouldn't be discouraged by that. If you pray the rosary every day, the Virgin Mary will pray for you and keep you close to God.

If you have a smart phone, download the Laudate app. It is the goto app for catholic english speakers. It has a bible, a virtual rosary, prayers, and other stuff to help you dive deeper in the faith.

>>787687

When should I do it then? When I’m old I could use my money to move to a Christian country probably. But I could die before that. Quite a risk to take, no? Would I be damned to hell if I don’t visit mass?

>>787689

I would think my situation excuses me

>>787690

I will ask a priest about this when possible

OP, are there no Catholic churches at all in your city / country? In the absence of a proper church I would advise you observe the sabbath on sunday and spend time in prayer, meditation and reading the scriptures if there is nowhere else to worship. Do your best to be baptized and confirmed, and receive the sacraments as often as you can given your situation. Know that we will be praying for you, and you will be in good company among the saints.

The peace of the lord Jesus Christ be with you.

>>787692

His pagan root most likely involves child murder and faggotry. Go away LARPagan. No one wants you here

>>787698

This

OP, please pray the rosary. It tells God that you are serious in your desire to be apart of Jesus' true Church. It has helped me immensely with my own iniquity and I know it will help you with your situation.

I'll be praying for you, brother. God speed!

>>787685

>>787687

This is retarded. The Sunday obligation is dispensed by being physically incapable to go. OP should not wait to convert, his salvation depends on it and he can make a spiritual communion if it is impossible to get to mass

>>787682

Which country, if you don't mind the question?

>>787687

>Yes, you have to attend church/mosque to be saved JUST LIKE ISLAM

And Catholics wonder why people don't see their religion as anything unique.

>>787744

This. There are cases where the Church will excuse you from having to go to Sunday Mass sometimes, and this is definitely one of them. Definitely do not wait to convert, next time you're in a Christian country explain your situation to the priest and see if you can't get baptized immediately. It's fine so long as you do attend Mass whenever you're able to do so safely, ie if you can sneak into a Church whenever you happen to be in a Christian country on a Sunday.

>>787751

Hey, did you know that pagans also read books? I guess you better give up your faith and start drinking cum like BASED Odin.

>>787756

?

Pagans also believe salvation is by works. They're just like the rest of the World's religions.

>>787758

and yet if I do no work then I have no faith and if I have no faith I have no salvation.

>>787764

What work exactly did the thief on the cross do?

Or, how exactly could the High Priest of Israel atone for the people by killing an animal? It was their faith in the atonement.

Is one simple act of faith the same as attempting to do "works."

We are saved by faith through grace, not of works. Guess what that means? Any time "works" are mentioned in the Bible, we know from clear scripture, they do not affect our salvation.

>>787773

Reminder that Luther was right when he said that.

>>787778

Woo! I can't wait to start watching porn again!

>>787779

Let me retranslate that quote just for you first:

>Sündige tapfer, doch tapferer glaube und freue dich in Christus, der Herr ist über Sünde, Tod und Teufel.

<Sin hardily, but more hardily believe and gladden yourself in Christ, the Lord is above sin, death and devil.

Compare 1 John 1:7-10

Luther doesn't say here, go sin boldly however you want. He says stay hardy if you sin, and clean yourself from your sin through the Lord

>>787781

Sure bud, but thats just like your personal interpretation. Pastor anon said I don't have to repent from my sins as repenting is works based salvation.

>>787787

Then he must disagree with Luther and also the Bible

It is in the first of the 95 Theses Luther wrote to criticize the Roman Church of the time, that one believer should repent during his lifetime.

>>787781

Hey man, don't mistranslate Martin Luther (pbuh). Tapfer means

''valiantly"

https://www.dict.cc/german-english/%5Btapfer%5D.html

Brave

https://en.langenscheidt.com/german-english/tapfer

"Steadfast''

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/german-english/tapfer

"Courageous"

https://www.pons.com/en/dict/search/mobile-results/deen/tapfer

Brave

https://en.bab.la/dictionary/german-english/tapfer

So on and so forth. How dare you take the prophet out of context like that!

>>787801

Faith without works is dead.

>>787797

>Hey man, don't mistranslate Martin Luther (pbuh). Tapfer means

https://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/sein+Leid+tapfer+tragen.html

https://www.dict.cc/deutsch-englisch/tapfer+bleiben.html

But if you can speak German so well, I suggest you read this:

https://www.evangelisches-gemeindeblatt.de/detailansicht/mit-der-suende-leben-693/

>How dare you take the prophet out of context like that!

Luther was a saxon catholic monk and theologian, he was no prophet or apostle. And just because he was not, does not mean I can not debate in favour of him and his theology, and put confusions and misrepresentations aside

>>787801

>So I HAVE to repent? So I don't trust Jesus' strong hand to never let me go? Sounds like works based salvation. Next you'll be telling me I HAVE to go soul-winning or to church to prove I have faith.

Yes, I don't disagree with that. You should go to church, you should read the bible, you should repent of your sins, you should and you should win souls for Christendom especially in these godforsaken times

>pointed out your personal translation is wrong.

No, only if you translate word-for-word, although it is hard to find an English word for it, if staying brave or hardy is what the Englishmen tell those that are in quail or despair, then that is the one that I would use. Because he sent that letter to someone that was in quail and despair over typical humane fears like not knowing of right and wrong, being full of self-doubts, and losing hope for it.

>>787715

>>787750

Rather not say

>>787685

>>787687

Do not listen to this retard, if there are no churches where you live you are not sinning by not going to mass. You can instead do other things to follow the third commandment, like reading the bible for an hour (the length of the standard mass) or other holy things like praying the rosary.

>>787682

In the meantime, look up the concept of perfect contrition.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04337a.htm

>>789075

>it's ok to be a solo Christian!

<when TWO OR MORE are gathered in my name

Go be a heretic elsewhere.

>>787682

If you don't mind, OP, but what made you want to convert? Also, since you posted an image that has an Imam Ali quote on it, I'm assuming you're a Shiite Muslim.

>>787682

hey OP, If you wish to convert to catholicism, talk to tutor or the mods over in the discord, they are Catholic and are very knowledgeable for laymen

>https://discord.gg/BsS8Vwd

>>787682

You can't be saved through the Catholic church. Only by having faith in Christ can you be saved.

>>787773

You're probably baiting but here is a quote from the man himself.

>“If [good] works and love do not blossom forth, it is not genuine faith, the gospel has not gained a foothold, and Christ is not yet rightly known” (Martin Luther, ed. John Dilenberger, Martin Luther, [DoubleDay], xxix).

Also, you should understand the context of that quote you presented.

>>789081

Christianity is a beautiful religion and I want to be saved, that’s basically it.