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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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0fe7bc  No.783474

Weed is fully legalized in my state for full recreational use of adults 21+. I am above 21. Is it still a sin if I smoke a little bit?

4211db  No.783478

You have it exactly backwards. Disobeying the government is not a sin, but using mind altering drugs is.


ae69da  No.783483

Being under the effects of such substances falls beneath the category of drunkenness, which is a sin.


0c6dcb  No.783485

>>783483

>drunkeness

Lol no. It just makes me kinda hungry and some stuff slightly funnier than usual but that's really it. Trust me, I have been drunk before (I regret it now) and I have taken in marijuana before. Big difference.


dbc6da  No.783488

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The main reason why the use of mind-altering drugs are considered a sin is because it erodes the faculties of reason and autonomy, very important human traits and gifts from God. When these faculties are reduced, it leaves us more vulnerable to sin; I can't tell you how many times I failed to fight the urge to masturbate or fornicate because I was drunk or high.


bb196a  No.783489

>>783485

The point is that it's ethically related to the biblical admonition against drunkenness


d087ea  No.783490

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>>783474

It's the pharmakeia St. Paul and Revelations was talking about. Only pagans use mind and mood altering drugs. God calls us to be better than the pagans.


cdaaa9  No.783533

>>783474

You should repent just for living in that state.

>>783490

Glory to God in the highest.

But on the subject, if its any mood altering drug, what about coffee, teas and such milder stuff.

I comprehend marijuana, because it makes you high, dazes your mind and thought, and can even lead to long term depression.

But lets, even wine, can get you a bit drunk easily.


30de46  No.783733

>>783533

Is tea mind altering in the sense that it rodes reason and common sense to even a slight extent? I would think not.

Coffee is also bad but you stay within reason I would say unless you drink too much which is a sin.

Alcohol like wine is again fine as long as your state of mind isn't altered to the point of being drunk.

Substances are almost always fine to consume as long as you're not taking in too much, weed and even coffee I would say isn't advised in small amount since even a small amount can effect you a lot and they have addictive qualities that are likely to lead to sin.


ff717c  No.783734

>>783488

>it leaves us more vulnerable to sin; I can't tell you how many times I failed to fight the urge to masturbate or fornicate because I was drunk or high.

I started no fap last week and days after I smoked with my cousin. As soon as we got home and he went to sleep I went strait to my room and blew my grand streak of 3 days. Felt pretty bad. I'm going to try my best to stop both now.


0adca4  No.783735

DUDe WEED


5af771  No.783739

>>783474

As a catholic this is a big question for me. I don't like the physical effects of the sugar in beer, but I drink on my days off because the emotional effect is so pleasant.

St. John Chrysostom referred to alcohol as the "King of angels;" however, drunkeness is an idolatrous sin.

The sin must lie between the line of buzzed and drunk.

Where is that line?

Is there not an equal line between high off of a pinch hit and stoned off of a bong rip?

I would say there is, but no public traditional catholic has spoken from experience, as far as I know.


482335  No.783768

>>783733

is chocolate also haram?

>>783474

Use whatever you want. I doubt judgement will be based on "You smoked pot, therefore you're condemned to hell".

It will be much more like: "Did you rape children and abuse your power as a priest of Christ's church to rape children?"


634fdd  No.783772

>>783768

Sorry, but it's still pharmekeia. Pot smokers are trash.


d087ea  No.783786

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>>783772

>pot smokers are trash

Can confirm. Was a cronic pot smoker and lost alot of oppertunites in college because of it. It always starts small "im just gonna hit from my one hitter once a week on Saturdays" than it devolves into "if I don't have my two blunts today, i'm gonna be bored outta my mind and won't be able to enjoy the vidya/youtube videos/porn/excersize that I plan on doing today." All the money I wasted on pot I could have put as a down payment on a new car.

Whats worse is that everytime I tried to quit, I would hear Mary Jane calling me like a siren's call and I would cave to my old dealers messages and buy more. That junk does stuff to your mind that I don't wish upon even my worst enemies.

Christians have to remember that the devil's temptations always start out great and make you feel good, but after a while the devil demands more and more and will lead you astray from God. Like the temptations Balaam and Balak cast on Israel with hedonistic pleasures of the flesh. Once Israel indulged they were easily led astray from God.

Ignore the Balaams of this world /christian/ and let praying to Jesus be the only high you need.


fb15fb  No.795023

>>783474

BROTHER PHARMAKEIA LMBO!


e33bd6  No.795058

>>795046

Are you saying it's okay to abuse hemp and get high? Also just because the Lord gave us hemp doesn't mean we can smoke it, just that we may use it for other uses such as rope.


634fdd  No.795059

>>783768

Find one verse that admonishes the use of mind-altering drugs.

The use of recreational drugs is a hallmark of modernist moral relativism.


5bcee2  No.795061

>>783474

I let the other preach to you about drugs, but remember this…do NOT buy your weed from the government. It's all filled to the brim with pharmaceutical poison. Order some seeds from outside the US and grow your own shit. The pharma weed is weaponized, do not touch it.


6b7d1e  No.795066

>>795061

>Implying Mexican weed isn’t glow-in-the-dark money laundering


96d9ef  No.795080

>>795066

>implying the glowies don't have their fingers in all illegal drug trafficking across the globe

tbh I had a feeling you did imply it, but I wanted to meme


86db3e  No.795415

>>783474

>muh legalization

>is it a sin though

imagine being this blue pilled. Just because something is legal/illegal that does not mean it is / is not sin.

To answer your question: yes it is a sin.


587b0b  No.797353

>>795415

I think what OP was referring to is the verses in the Bible about obeying the government, like Romans 13. When weed was illegal, it was easy to just point to the law and use the verses telling Christians to be law-abiding as a reason not to imbibe weed. Now that it is legal in some states and countries, that doesn't work any more. We can say that it's equivalent to drunkenness instead. But it's not entirely clear to me that drinking a single glass of wine and inhaling a single puff of marijuana are very different. Either one will have some very slight 'mind-altering' pleasurable effects but impair very little or more likely not at all.

Of course smoking a whole joint will probably impair your judgement, but so will drinking a whole bottle of wine. I'm just not sure what the difference is or why there is a difference. Of curse if you drink wine every day, you may feel that a glass of wine does nothing, because your body is used to it, and if you consume marijuana for the first time you may feel it's effects strongly.

As for the pharmakeia argument.. I don't reject it but I don't know enough to say whether it's right or not. Does anyone have any more resources regarding how the word was used in the region in that time period? I'm not a Greek scholar. For all I know it could be referring to:

>hallucinogens (which I would not categorize marijuana as, although I know some have, since it generally doesn't make you see things)

>addictive drugs like opium (marijuana does not seem to be very physically addictive compared to alcohol or coffee)

>extracting and isolating compounds from plants, which would include stronger stuff like THC oi,l but not the plant itself, and would also include most of modern medicine (pharmakeia=pharmaceuticals)?


cbbfb8  No.798048

>the devil's lettuce

>is it a sin if a smoke it a bit

HMMMMMMMM


7c8a8a  No.798397

>>783488

What if it makes me less likely to sin? I am happier, do not worry (which is a sin) and more motivated when I smoke? I don't get lazy like most people do. I actually go outside and do yard work and stuff and enjoy going to work, I am more social as well.


e33bd6  No.798398

>>798397

They same can be said for anything else. We don't live to be happy, we live to have faithful and virtuous lives.


7c8a8a  No.798399

>>798398

Fair enough.


7c8a8a  No.798400

>>798398

Is depression a sin?


925aaf  No.798405

>>798400

Yes. Self-hatred is contrary to the virtue of charity.


6b7d1e  No.798406

>>783474

Ever notice how bluepilled most weedcucks are?


e33bd6  No.798432

>>798400

It is to be succumbed by it. What ever you are suffering the Lord suffered much more on the Cross for you.


b0318d  No.798434

>>783483

>Disobeying the government is not a sin

Why not?


a8a5c8  No.801919

>>783768

>I doubt judgement will be based on "You smoked pot, therefore you condemned to hell"

Well, it might not be those exact words, but it will be "You broke one of my commandments for the sake of your own pleasure, therefore you're condemned to hell."

But whatever you say, keep smoking pot like a loser, you stupid protestant.


fa44b3  No.801921

>>783490

I'd seriously say most people addicted to drugs haven't experienced the spiritual rush of deep prayer. Drugs are a mere simulation of the experience.


fa44b3  No.801927

>>801925

neither (unless abused in a serious manner - caffeine pills and 50x monster drinks or 4 locos or something) alter consciousness in the same manner as alcohol


df19cd  No.801950

>>798406

And that's just the way the dems want it. It alot easier to pass feel-good policy when majorty of voters are strung out on the green devil.


9a9e86  No.801951

>>798434

Unless the law is in direct contradiction to your faith, you are obliged to obey it. Drug laws are not in contradiction to the Christian faith, ergo they must be obeyed. Unless you are a sketchy heretic sect that worships the DUDE WEED LMAO, weed is illegal to smoke.


475f48  No.802007

>>783474

Hey OP, I bet it's also legal to have an abortion and to blaspheme the name of the Lord in your state but you aren't going to do those things are you? Even if it's just a little bit?


ca5de8  No.802507

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Seeing the debate of what pharmakeia means I think it may help to try to explain.

The word 'pharmacon' φάρμᾰκον has multiple uses which the word 'drug' encompasses the most. It is also translated as cure, potion, medicine, poison, sorcery, and in more other ways. This demonstrates why things shouldn't always be interpreted to the utmost literality.

The use of drugs (pharmakeia) i.e. druggery, could be what is referred to in Gal. 5:20 and Rev. 18:23. The sorcery interpretation could be taken from observation of the use of concoctions and potions in divinatory and shamanistic rituals. Such a thing could have been sought to be avoided because of the potential it has to give people a false sense of inspiration from the perspective of the NT authors. The recreational drug use of today would seem to be divorced from this spiritist aspect, yet the possible admonitions of the NT writers may still be observed in the instances of drugged individuals exhibiting deliria.

A meaning of poison might also be possible taken together with other things in the pertinent contexts: murder, fornication, theft, falsehood, but also however cowardice, idolatry, and unbelief.

Latin uses derivatives of venenum from where 'venom' is derived, such as veneficium (the act of poisoning, poisonous substance, the preparation of magic potions, sorcery, witchcraft, magic, magic potion) and veneficus (poisoner, sorcerer, wizard).

One Middle English use of the word (venym) was for a potion or liquid used for dyeing, which is one of the ways Greek 'pharmacon' was used.

The word pharmacon also happens to be attested in the English language.

Here are a couple of interesting and illustrative takes from classical Greek literature.

Euripides Bacchae

For two things, young man, [275] are first among men: the goddess Demeter—she is the earth, but call her whatever name you wish; she nourishes mortals with dry food; but he who came afterwards, the offspring of Semele (i.e. Dionysus), discovered a match to it, the liquid drink of the grape, and introduced it [280] to mortals. It releases wretched mortals from grief, whenever they are filled with the stream of the vine, and gives them sleep, a means of forgetting their daily troubles, nor is there another cure (pharmacon) for hardships. He who is a god is poured out in offerings to the gods, [285] so that by his means men may have good things.

Hippocrates, Aphorismi, Ch. 1, Pt. 24

Use purgative medicines (pharmakeia) sparingly in acute diseases, and at the commencement, and not without proper circumspection.

In the past magic, sorcery, and healing existed jointly and were not always distinguished. It's believed cures to many ailments in the world today may lie hidden within the practices of remote tribes. Bushman's Secret (2006) and The Shaman's Apprentice (2001), related to the book of the same name, are two documentaries which discuss the subject.


dd1cbe  No.803061

>>783474

>Conflating legality and morality


d5a120  No.803086

>>783474

In my experience, drugs just place a filter over reality and never actually take you to your intended destination.

It also affects the nervous system and makes it more difficult to get spiritual experiences while sober.

It's like pressing a pause button on your spiritual development.

You're better off doing these things for bliss and enlightenment:

Semen retention

prayer

Meditation

sobriety


cd3bb9  No.803150


17f8b9  No.803230

It is still against federal law




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