a32b11 No.781779
Americans to split with United Methodist Church over same sex marriage.
77b848 No.781781
>>781779
Won't be the first time. "United Methodist" isn't the only branch of Methodist.
a0cd94 No.781786
>>781779
Is it official yet & do you have a link?
a32b11 No.781790
1174cd No.781791
>>781779
Man…if only the methodists had a central authority figure to keep order and everyone unified. If only.
>feelsbadman
c1af24 No.781810
>>781791
They have a mechanism for central authority that explicitly rejected the demands of the sexual revolutionaries
37474c No.781813
>>781791
I know what you mean. Feels bad man.
4f9f5b No.781815
>>781791
The Pope couldn't even keep the British from breaking away from the RCC and brits are the biggest bootlickers on the planet.
1174cd No.781817
>>781815
Something something martin luther something something led everyone astray something something muh dick
02ecaa No.781821
>>781791
remove the log from your own eye
02ecaa No.781822
>>781790
did you seriously just link an actually gay site to this board
1174cd No.781823
>>781821
>t. doesn't understand what that verse means
111b18 No.781824
>>781779
It would be nice if they did split off and form their own "church" that is ok with sodomy, but the thing you guys need to understand is that THEY WILL NOT.
Their goal is not to form their own gay-accepting denomination, there have already been attempts at that and they are tiny.
Their goal is to completely subvert and destroy the established churches.
THEY WILL NOT LEAVE ON THEIR OWN. THEY MUST BE FORCEFULLY EVICTED.
>>781791
unified behind pederasty and sodomy? Behind the filioque? Behind ecumenism and pandering to every NWO fad (including increasing homosexuality acceptance) under the sun?
Hard winnie the pooh pass, papist.
fc5ec9 No.781827
Can I get a quick rundown on Methodist doctrine? Are they trinitarian?
661646 No.781843
>>781827
Yes, they're trinitarian. Methodism arose out of the holiness movement in episcopalianism.
Methodism is Wesleyan in theology, which is generally considered arminian reformed.
b2ea5e No.781844
>>781824
>unified behind pederasty and sodomy? Behind the filioque? Behind ecumenism and pandering to every NWO fad (including increasing homosexuality acceptance) under the sun?
Imagine being this much into the hands of the ZOG media machine.
8cc1ec No.781854
I left my local UMC about 5 years ago because it became too progressive. Back then people were saying a split was inevitable, and 5 years later it still hasn't happened. I don't see it happening. Mostly the progs will keep peeing their pants until 2020 General Conference, then they'll use their dirty tricks to force the progressive plan on the entire church.
I'm just glad I'm not around anymore to deal with this crap.
a22ffb No.781856
>>781779
When I drive past one of these fag churches my blood boils and I want to walk in and rebuke the priest/pastor/bishop/whoever. Then I remember nobody goes to these churches anyways.
77b848 No.781861
>>781856
>nobody goes to these churches
That's not true at all. There are 12 million members of the UMC in the US alone.
02ecaa No.781863
>>781854
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I left the UMC in late 2017 because of the liberal grandstanding I saw there, among other things. A split (probably) won't happen because of all the money tied up in the property, neither side wants to either lose that or have to pay for it all.
>>781856
They can be relatively full.
a22ffb No.781867
>>781861
>>781863
It’s kind of a “pearls before swine” thing you know. These churches are not places of morality in any way. I would have the same results trying to win souls in a whorehouse, WHICH is not a bad idea by any means. However, it’s just an uphill battle.
77b848 No.781868
>>781867
>it’s just an uphill battle
Long is the road and narrow the gate that leads to salvation.
ebd9f8 No.781870
>>781824
Just do it anon.
Become Orthodox.
a32b11 No.781875
>>781868
Freedom of Religion has created a Free Market of Faith. Promise the sheep an easy and popular path to salvation and keep the collection plates full.
eda907 No.781877
>>781875
This.
Freedom of religion must die.
b2ea5e No.781879
>>781875
It wasn't always this way you know. It wasn't until the past 70 or so years that this whole "muh freedums" became enforceable. If you tried to preach homo acceptance in 1910 you would find yourself running from an angry lynch mob.
a22ffb No.781896
>>781875
An “easy” path to salvation? Are you serious? Most of these people think you get to Heaven by being a good person, which is impossible. Next to none of them actually have faith in Jesus’ atoning sacrifice. And if they say they do, then they believe that they can lose their salvation.
b26b63 No.781900
>>781824
I'll take the filioque over the blasphemous "distinction" between essence and energy any day tbh.
a32b11 No.781918
>>781877
go back to the old ways.
ebd9f8 No.781919
>>781900
How is it blasphemous?
As I understand all its saying is that God's energies are different from God's essence. The Orthodox are not saying there are two eternals or pantheism or any of that. God is both energy and essence. Idk maybe I'm misunderstanding their position.
a32b11 No.781920
>>781896
what could be easier than this?
…9that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. 11It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”… Romans 10:10
b26b63 No.781922
>>781919
It contradicts purus actus, and therefore implies that God has potentialities, which implies both that He's imperfect and that He requires a creator. You're basically an atheist if you believe in this false distinction.
77b848 No.781924
>>781920
>believe in your heart
That's the hard part. A lot of people proclaim Christ the Lord, but don't believe it in their hearts. Not truly believe.
Matt 7:21
ebd9f8 No.781931
>>781922
I reconcile that with the belief that while God could have decided to not create the world, this is a choice He would never have taken. He would always choose to create the world. So there aren't potentialities but the world is still contingent on God.
In the Orthodox tradition philosophy is the handmaiden of theology. Also the Catechism of the Catholic Church is pretty clear about us not being able to define/know everything, pretty clear about there being mysteries that befuddle our logic. In RC recently however there seems to be more of the opposite mentality, he who defines God best loves God and we have to obsessively define everything. No offense.
7de184 No.783394
c63bbc No.783535
>>781791
>the United Methodist Church
>being anything but divided
Don't be silly, friend; if they followed the example of Catholics, they might actually be a united church.
07c1f0 No.783557
>>783394
Chads are gluttonous fatasses now.. who throw fits over a mere woman (and then just kill her later anyways)?
1e101e No.783615
a340de No.784170
>>781875
>all ages
>all beliefs
What did she mean by this?
4301f3 No.793783
88b268 No.793786
>>793783
Not me, I swear.
I'm not an edgy atheist.
ab0355 No.793788
>>781813
Your leader shattered the church into thousands of denominations. Even the Pope has kept better order.
a750ad No.794104
>>781791
>Popeposting
They do have central authority figure, He is the same as yours. However, does not mean that they won't rebel and disagree with one another.
40a36b No.794123
>>794104
>the prot Pope is the same as the actual Pope
Last I checked Jesus gave the keys to the kingdom to St. Peter not pastor Jimantha.
d38a90 No.794126
What's going to be the new name? Are all the US Methodists pro LGBT?
3d8496 No.794130
>>794126
There are Free Methodists that don't share the UMC's stance on homosexuality. There's also the Wesleyan Methodist Church and the Association of Independent Methodists. The UMC won't schism, but those who don't like the LGBT crap will simply move on to another Methodist church.
fcd311 No.794152
>>794130
I like to use these types of events to reach out to disaffected members and tell them about Orthodoxy. I agree with your take in general, but there's always the opportunity to poach a few, maybe even a whole congregation may come over, it's happened before with other prots.