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Who created the creator ? Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 04:10:22 aac026 No.773187

One of the most common christian arguments to debunk the godless theory of the creation of the Big-Bang, is to say that "what is, cannot come from what is not". In other words, it is absurd to say that "atoms formed" out of nothing and yet from itself, and that those atoms exploded and created the universe…And thus, there must have had a creator, a God which created the universe, or created those atoms if you stick to this specific theory.

It's a very convincing argument against atheists Darwinism…But the next logical question is: Who created the creator? Who create God? Did God come from itself? If so, how could he have been created from nothing and yet from itself? Is there a creator of the creator? And if so, who created the creator who created the creator ?

We can continue like that at the infinity…

Is it the point that we have to just have faith in God? Because I'm ok with that, but I wanted to know if there is a rational explanation to the creation of God. What we are sure, with the argument used above to debunk the theory of the Big-Bang, it is that we have the certainty that there is a cause, that there is a creator to this universe…Which we call God. But who created God and who or what is the creator of all the creations ? Is it the same God that we are talking about ?

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 04:16:22 5f2c68 No.773189

>who created the creator

nobody

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 06:06:51 821929 No.773206

pick one:

- modern materialism/rationalism

- God

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 06:16:46 aac026 No.773207

>>773206

>- modern materialism/rationalism

God made us rational creatures. We are no animals, he gave us reason,he gave us rationality, he gave us free will. That doesn't mean that we don't believe in him, quite the contrarily.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 06:43:11 f8edb9 No.773217

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God is more akin to 'natural law' or metaphysical concepts like numbers, than any kind of concrete entity that has definite starting/ending points for its existence.

For example, what created numbers? Humans discovered the concepts of quantity and numbers at some point, but it would be silly to say we "created" the value of 2 for example, because 'two-ness' simply exists whenever there is more than 1 of something. Similarly, God simply exists because it is implied by our own existence.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 07:01:25 007e2e No.773223

>>773217

A turning point for me was when I was grappling with the idea of love. How can God be love? Love isn't physical, and then it hit me that God can be comprised of things that to us are merely conceptual, but are actually have very real substance.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 07:04:29 3cd6e8 No.773225

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>>773187

>Who created the creator?

Where are all these 14-year old brainlets coming from? Also to have the audacity to post a book without apparently having read the Bible

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 11:51:36 fe1734 No.773274

How does a timeless being gets created before time?

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 14:14:50 34658d No.773329

>>773210

God is not part of creation. God is outside of creation. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 14:26:43 28f912 No.773336

God is beyond creation due to Him being unbound by almost all concepts of our universe (i.e. creation). He exists somewhere outside of space and time, as both were created at the beginning. It's difficult for us to wrap our heads around the concept of an immutable, 'uncreated' eternal yet timeless being(s) because we're pretty limited compared to the immense complexity of creation and it's wonders, let alone an omnipresent, omnipotent, and omni-loving God.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 15:20:30 08cc35 No.773349

>>773187

The big bang is basically using important sounding words to say it just happened.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 15:36:21 fbdb2f No.773350

What part of "I AM THAT I AM" do you not understand?

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 17:32:15 bdf423 No.773381

Time only exists because events occur after another in a chronological order. Prior to creation, there were no events, and hence no time. Therefore it's perfectly conceivable that God was the only thing in a state of being before and at the inception of the universe. "Who created God" implies there was something that existed before God that could have given rise to him on an eventual basis, which is not a Christian belief at all.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 20:35:44 34658d No.773446

>>773381

>Time only exists because events occur after another in a chronological order. Prior to creation, there were no events, and hence no time. Therefore it's perfectly conceivable that God was the only thing in a state of being before and at the inception of the universe

That's a good argument.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 21:07:02 4c961e No.773450

God wasn't "created", God always existed. He never created himself, he wasn't born from chaos. He just was. Always. He has no origin.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 21:22:41 34658d No.773455

>>773450

You mean that he is eternal. There are no movement in eternity.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 21:27:27 4c961e No.773457

>>773455

Exactly. It's like asking if there's a bigger number than infinity. The question itself just indicates a misunderstanding of the concept.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 21:41:24 e2bad3 No.773460

>godless theory of the creation of the Big-Bang

Dude…

>But the next logical question is: Who created the creator?

It's not the next logical question. Well, rather, it is for the retarded fedoras that do not understand that at some point you need an uncaused cause, something that is fully actual without potential, etc etc. And that is known by everyone as God.

>to just have faith in God

What si that even supposed to mean?

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 22:37:41 ee0cf1 No.773473

I wonder what the word God means

pro tip, God is the One who was, who IS and the one who will always be. "I AM WHO I AM" in other words God is the Absolute Being. Without him nothing is. Only creatures have a Creator.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 22:39:21 ee0cf1 No.773475

>>773187

>godless theory of the creation of the Big-Bang

How the winnie the pooh did atheists worked this one out?

The Big bang theory destroyed every atheist physicist back there.

Even Einstein said Father Lamaître's physics was atrocious.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 22:55:59 34658d No.773479

>>773475

>How the winnie the pooh did atheists worked this one out?

"atoms formed". There you have it.

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 22:57:11 ee0cf1 No.773480

>>773479

When atheists don't get past high school physics but LOVE SCIENCE LMAO

Christanon 02/20/19 (Wed) 22:57:48 bdf423 No.773481

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>>773457

>asking if there's a bigger number than infinity

Erm, this guy would like to have a word with you

Christanon 02/21/19 (Thu) 00:38:50 7b269c No.773495

>>773225

People really need to stop linking to us in leddit threads.

Christanon 02/21/19 (Thu) 08:53:18 913cd2 No.773683

>>773187

>It's a very convincing argument against atheists Darwinism…But the next logical question is: Who created the creator? Who create God? Did God come from itself? If so, how could he have been created from nothing and yet from itself? Is there a creator of the creator? And if so, who created the creator who created the creator ?

God is not contingent on anything else to exist. God is the non-contingent ground of contingent existence. His very nature is fully actualized being. Read the writings of Edward Feser (Aristotle and Aquinas) for a better explanation. There is no problem of infinite regress because there is nothing to suggest everything necessarily needs a cause to exist i.e. God.

Christanon 02/22/19 (Fri) 22:53:56 c848f5 No.774253

>>773683

>God is not contingent on anything else to exist.

Well, wouldn't atheists use the same argument to say that the first atoms were not contingent on anything else to exist ?

Christanon 02/23/19 (Sat) 01:19:32 7f9a9c No.774307

>>774253

except that their existence was contingent on the big bang

Christanon 03/22/19 (Fri) 17:21:35 d33da8 No.787281

>>773187

If something created God, he wouldn't be God. To assume that God has a creator would assume that there is greater than God, which there is not. God IS the creator.

Christanon 03/22/19 (Fri) 23:07:25 48ac0b No.787382

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Caring about such things is big gay. Accept that you are not in control.

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 00:03:52 78988b No.787400

>>773187

Think about it… why doesn’t God have a creator?

Well… what is God’s name?

>I AM THAT I AM

God IS. That is his definition. And from IS came everything else.

You just have to be BigBrains to understand this.

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 00:18:28 ca0645 No.787404

>>773187

>who created the creator

Two paths to look at this:

1. The creator existed before time itself therefore makes the question null and void since it would require a time when the creator didn’t exist and would reduce the ultimacy of the being that supposed to lord over all things

2. If believe time is eternal and have no problems with it then you can apply that to the creator

Seriously I thought these brainlet questions were over by now

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 01:03:49 5f2a69 No.787433

>>774253

No because that would have obvious implications for physics if we had eternal inviolable atoms floating around

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 08:42:46 4a2b11 No.787517

>>773480

This. And modern physics is still compatible with the belief in God. I especially like arguments 1 and 3 St. Thomas Aquinas makes.

http://web.mnstate.edu/gracyk/courses/web%20publishing/aquinasfiveways_argumentanalysis.htm

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 09:01:15 35dc1d No.787521

>>773225

its because of the NZ Shooter, all of the news outlets have been name dropping 8chan

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 14:44:08 b52e94 No.787581

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Oh please

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 15:01:18 5b4850 No.787589

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>>773187

See pic related. Look specifically at the metaphor of the boxcars. Each boxcar in the train is moving because the boxcar in front of it is pulling on it. The whole train of boxcars is moving because the engine is pulling on all of them. It's silly to ask, "Well, what's pulling on the engine?" because the engine is not like the boxcars. The engine is unlike the boxcars because it contains within it the ability to pull itself. It's sort of like that with God. God doesn't need to proceed from anything, because He is unlike all created things, because He contains within Him the ability to proceed from Himself.

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 16:40:47 3fc27b No.787626

>>787589

Sorry to bother, but…do you happen to have the one with the "back and forth" of rebuttals? That was even more interesting.

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 17:40:49 a998f3 No.787639

>>787521

NZ shooter is a freemason.

Christanon 03/23/19 (Sat) 19:04:41 912646 No.787657

>>773187

It's not that God was created.

He IS the THRUTH absolutely nothing can exist

or will make sense WITHOUT HIM.