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Even if it was valid not a single jew has kept the covenant for 1949 years- since the Temple was destroyed. Rabbinical judaism is a big list of excuses and loopholes for why they're not keeping up their end.

Christ is the only way.

>>771903

Replacement theology is necessary as one can not introduce a new law to a land without first abrogating the old one. In addition, st.Paul believed it, so it is truth.

Hebrews 7:11-26

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has [b]officiated at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning [c]priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For [d]He testifies:

“You are a priest forever

According to the order of Melchizedek.”

18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing [e]perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Greatness of the New Priest

20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath 21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:

“The Lord has sworn

And will not relent,

‘You are a priest [f]forever

According to the order of Melchizedek’ ”),

22 by so much more Jesus has become a [g]surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing. 24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Therefore He is also able to save [h]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, [i]harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens; 27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.

One need only read through the letter to the Hebrews to understand that the Law of Moses, or more precisely the covenant at Siani has been fulfilled i.e. it is no longer needed and in its place is a better covenant with better promises, a better priesthood, and a better sacrifice.

>>771903

>And dispensationalism is relatively new in the history of Christianity.

That’s how you know it’s wrong.

the correct term is Supersessionist theology, "replacement" theology implies Christianity is a beggar-vandal usurper to the Jews.

I can only imagine some Jews came up "replacement" as a term

The Catholic Church is the New Israel.

Even Nostra Aetate is cristal clear on this one.

Even though many fags argue against supercessionism, its still the doctrine of the church.

The mosaicaw is finished and all those zionist fags have to do is reading St. Paul. I'll give them 20 to reject them as non canonical scripture like Muslims and liberal "Christians" do.

>Unless someone can show me how it was part of the gnostic invisible Church (50 AD - 330AD

What the winnie the pooh are those random dates?

There was one one church back then. The Catholic Church. One of our bishops of back then even btfo gnostics (St. Iraneus.)

Tldr: Judaism B.C => The One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church™

>>772196

>ill give them 20 years

>>771903

>Is God's covenant with the Jews still valid, or did Christ supersede it?

God's covenant with the Jews is still valid. But the "mode" of this covenant has changed when Christ fulfilled the Law and opened Israel to Gentiles.

Romans 9-11 is honestly easy to understand. The Church isn't "supercessionist" in the sense that the Old Covenant community was replaced by the New Covenant community. The Old Testament community and the New Testament community are one and the same. Israel became called the Church when the Messiah sent His Holy Spirit to reside in all His faithful and it became open to all Gentiles to enter. God has had many covenants with humanity (with Adam, with Noah, with Abraham, with Moses, with Christ), and yet there is only one Covenant - that "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise His heel".

Furthermore, unbelieving Jews are not forgotten by God. They are not in the Church, in fact they do not even worship God, yet "concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers." At the second coming, the unbelieving Jews will recognize Jesus as the Christ, and the 12 apostles will judge the 12 tribes of Israel. But until then they are excluded from the Church, and they are not destroyed by God because a "faithful remnant" remains - those Jews who convert.

The Church is not "supercessionist" nor does it adhere to a "dual covenant" theory. It simply is Israel, the people of God, the seed of Abraham through faith. Those who reject God to worship something else are not among God's people. But the Hebews still carry the mission to show the light of the Messiah to the world - this they have done when Christ became incarnate among them, but they also do when they convert, individually, to the Church, therefore obtaining the inheritance that was promised them through Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Note also that this does not mean that Jewish converts inherit a special reward that no one else has. There is neither Jew nor Gentile in Christ.

Supersessionism has always been the doctrine of the Church. It's only recently that wishy washy language has begun to be used due to the constant kowtowing to the jews that occurs in popular culture, but supersessionism has not been and cannot be abrogated. The pharisaic religion is not salvific in any way.

>>772215

I'll note also that the situation is no different from what the prophets describe, regarding the deportation of Israel and Judah to Assyria and Babylon: many of the Jews have rejected God, and will be condemned for it, but there remains a faithful remnant. The situation is different, however, in that on top of this faithful remnant of Jews, many Gentiles have been grafted onto Israel as well.