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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8f2b54  No.759530

Seriously, who the winnie the pooh does he think he is? Literally all of his 'commentary' is just winnie the pooh off-topic speculation. It's as if he was trying to practice pilpul. I'm so winnie the pooh sick of his shit. I want to find his grave and smack the shit out of him.

Can anyone actually explain Numbers 26:64-65? Did God really murder all the males except for Joshua and Caleb? And does this apply to all Israelites, or just the Levites? And what exactly provoked God? I forgot what they did this specific time. Please alleviate my confusion.

8f2b54  No.759532

>>759530

Numbers 14:29-32 explains it. I think it's because they got discouraged when they saw how well fortified they were. I also recall them saying they were giants. What did they mean by this as well?


8f2b54  No.759534

>>759530

Also, what about the waters of strife set God against Aaron and Moses?


5d0c42  No.759536

This guy?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Henry

I've read some of his commentaries on that site but never really thought about who wrote them as much as I should have.


ec965d  No.759540

It's a commentary to look at the broad strokes and tie the metanarrative together for Bible students, not an expositional commentary. If you want to see bad speculation look at Augustine http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1801035.htm

>Did God really murder all the males except for Joshua and Caleb?

Read again

"But among these there was not a man of those who were numbered by Moses and Aaron the priest, who numbered the sons of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai. (Num. 26:64 NAS)"

At this census, (the whole chapter), nobody counted was in the generation who wandered in the wilderness with Moses and Aaron. God didn't murder anybody, he made them wait til that generation died before they would be allowed in to the promised land.

>And does this apply to all Israelites, or just the Levites?

Levites are Israelites, Levi was a son of Israel.

>And what exactly provoked God? I forgot what they did this specific time.

Read Numbers 13 and 14

They sent 12 spies to scope out Canaan, and when they heard that their enemy was great, they told God they couldn't go because their enemies would kill them. God was ready to kill them with a plague, but Moses talked Him down to just make that generation suffer in the wilderness for 40 years.


8f2b54  No.759541

>>759540

Thanks man. So it was every man from the previous generation of the 13 tribes, and not just the levites? What do you make of them being described as giants?

What was Moses' and Aaron's trangression against the Lord with the waters of strife, making water come out of the rock?


ec965d  No.759545

>>759541

>So it was every man from the previous generation of the 13 tribes, and not just the levites?

can you find the answer in verse 64?

>What do you make of them being described as giants?

The Canaanites? They were bigger than the spies, and fearful spies would be prone to hyperbole. I don't think inerrancy means an Israelite was really an ant in size relation to a Canaanite, that would make them hundreds of yards tall.

Remember God also killed those 10 wimps because of their bad report

>What was Moses' and Aaron's trangression against the Lord with the waters of strife, making water come out of the rock?

The transgression was unbelief

"Because ye believed me not (Num. 20:12 KJV)"

The curse here says "the LORD spake unto Moses and Aaron … ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them". It seems to me that this was only against those two.

51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of Meribah-Kadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel. (Deut. 32:51-52 KJV)


8f2b54  No.759548

>>759545

I assume it was all of them, but just before this they are numbering the Levites, specifically. Since all of them transgressed, it was likely all of them.

I just read someone try to explain it as sort of showing up God before the Israelites. Moses struck the rock, twice, when God commanded him to speak to it. And acted as if HE were the most high, not God in performing the miracle.

>Must WE make water come forth from this rock?

<http://cupofwrath.com/articles-essays/moses-sin.php

This guy speculates that they were symbolically re-crucifying Jesus. IDK about that.


ec965d  No.759551

>>759548

The Levites were just the last tribe counted in the passage. "them" in v 64 means "the children of Israel", which is all tribes.

>This guy speculates that they were symbolically re-crucifying Jesus. IDK about that.

How could you re-crucify Jesus centuries before he was born? lol

>acted as if HE were the most high, not God in performing the miracle.

I don't think that fits at all with what the Bible says.

Deuteronomy tells us the issue was that "ye sanctified me not"

Numbers 20:12 says "because ye believed me not"

God instructs Moses to perform the action, and phrases it "speak ye unto the rock" "thou shalt bring forth to them water"

Moses then correctly performs it; "Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him"

That blog is just a classic preacher's overspiritualization of the OT

One of my favorite sources is gotquestions.com

https://www.gotquestions.org/Moses-promised-land.html

I've found that they do a really good job of finding the clear point and not going further


8f2b54  No.759560

>>759551

I just got to Deuteronomy, so perhaps I'll just read it in the case it answers some of my questions. I'll probably put that source to use, so thanks.


5d0c42  No.759571

>>759536

Also the Ellicott commentary is this guy I think. Not sure who wrote the pulpit commentary.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Ellicott


19fa17  No.759639

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>>759530

>"muh anything I don't like much less understand must be Jewish"

>Matthew Henry is a jew because I don't understand hard concepts or cannot believe what I am reading in the Bible

very poor quality b8

>God murdered all the Hebrew males except for Joshua and Caleb because I don't know my Bible

How new are you to this Christianity thing? Cuz this smella a lot like you read some shi- on the atheist bible site and are now faith-spiraling out of control

And given that's no sin, why in the flames of tartarus are you chimping-out about things you haven't read properly?!

Matthew Henry is a perfectly valid, Godly, non-gadolig, puritan, commentator of the Bible who, while working from imperfect text and limited resources is trying to illuminate the truth of God.

>Did God really murder all the males except for Joshua and Caleb?

Yes.

Just like he "murdered" your Grandmother with that cancer thing. Now THAT'S speculating!!

< The text: Not one of them was among those counted by Moses and Aaron the priest when they counted the Israelites in the Desert of Sinai. For the Lord had told those Israelites they would surely die in the wilderness, and not one of them was left except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.

< God rescues Israel from Egypt

< Israel spergs out against God, constantly complaining Moses led them into the desert to die

< God gets jack of their faithlessness and finally says, "Right, that's it, the lot of you will all die before any of you gets into the land I have prepared for you. Your sons and daughters can take possession."

< Israel wanders in the desert for forty years until almost every one of (((that generation))) is dead …

< … of natural causes …

< … and mountain lions Now THAT'S speculating!!

Conclusion: every adult male (only they counted back in those days) in the census who escaped Egypt would be deaded.

>Literally all of his 'commentary' is just winnie the pooh off-topic speculation.

No.

No it is not. It is perfectly ON TOPIC.

He is seeking to remind you the CAUSE for all this, to remind you that while you may mourn for a million people who died in the desert, they died natural deaths JUST AS EVERYONE DOES. He explains the parallels to you and I, how we all die, how this is all God's righteousness, and how we should hate sin and cling to Christ because of it.

>The execution of the sentence passed on the murmurers, chap. 14:29, is observable.

ie; go back and read Num 14:29 for God's passing sentence on the Israelites

>There was not one man numbered now, who was numbered then, but Caleb and Joshua. Here appeared the righteousness of God, and his faithfulness to his threatenings. Especially observe the truth of God, in performing his promise to Caleb and Joshua.

God pronounced judgement; God made it come to pass; hoorah for God.

>Death makes awful havoc of the human species, and causes surprising changes in families and nations; yet all is appointed in perfect wisdom, justice, and truth, by the Lord himself.

Death sucks, and this was a punishment for sinfulness, so then:

>This should stir us up to think upon the hateful nature of sin, the cause of all these devastations.

So, we should:

>We should renew our repentance, seek forgiveness, value the salvation of Christ, remember how frail we are, prepare for the summons of death, and fill up our days in serving our generation according to the will of God.

What's hard about this?

Heck, you ought to read the non-concise edition text where Henry reeeaaally pulls this idea apart, how God was righteous to do this, yet still kept His promise to Abraham.


62516f  No.759859

>reading commentary of negroidians without the title of saint


9de786  No.759872

>protestant

>all of his 'commentary' is just winnie the pooh off-topic speculation

Finally catching on?


2ad50d  No.761300

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>>759872

>emphasising the goodness, glory and sublime beauty of God and His works is "winnie the pooh off-topic speculation

#catholicism_in_action


4232fd  No.773369

Read John Gill.




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