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From what I heard, he did some dodgy stuff…like betraying his wife and stealing speeches. I haven’t made my mind on him yet.

Rabble-rouser, same as the rest.

He was the Steven Anderson of his era. Take that as you will.

>>759214

>What is your honest opinion on Reverend Martin Luther King Jr?

Fraud.

>>759232

Why?

>>759234

- he was an adulterer

- he was funded by civil rights promoters (jews)

he was a glorified mouth-piece, and I'm not even a /pol/ack.

>>759237

Like being a /pol/ack is a good thing in the first place…other than that I pretty much agree.

It's fun to believe in a revolution and it's leader but my intuition always tells me he is a phony.

>>759237

>he was an adulterer

Isn't that FBI disinfo?

For all of his faults (and I'm not sure which ones to believe), he paid with his life in a good cause. And if he's such a phony, or bad on doctrine, at the end of the day a lot of that doesn't matter compared to dying for something. I might be wrong, but that last series of speeches and rallies he was doing was to simply help get garbage men and city workers better wages or something. There's all kinds of people I disagree with on doctrine, but I can't help but admire things like this. I may not agree with a lot of Catholics either, but I admire those priests in Syria who gave their lives… or just the simple kid who was a Catholic who decided to not give in to ISIS's threats. What the hell am I doing in comparison to that?

>>759214

I am not that aware of his case but he seems to have been a vanguard of civil rights movement back in days. In short jews used him to fuel racial tension in US.

I do not know if he was a fag/adulterer and I do not care really. He was definitely a part of the progressive wave that now shills for inclusion of transgenders and even pedophiles.

I will just point out that media adore him, there is even a mlk day. If you have not figured out that they nowadays make "heroes" out of the worst scum on this earth you should probably follow news more closely.

>>759249

>I am not that aware of his case but he seems to have been a vanguard of civil rights movement back in days. In short jews used him to fuel racial tension in US.

>

>I do not know if he was a fag/adulterer and I do not care really. He was definitely a part of the progressive wave that now shills for inclusion of transgenders and even pedophiles.

>

>I will just point out that media adore him, there is even a mlk day. If you have not figured out that they nowadays make "heroes" out of the worst scum on this earth you should probably follow news more closely.

MLK day was started by Reagan, funnily. It's not some progressive only thing. It's kind of standard/generic American stuff.

>>759251

>Reagan

Well those "conservatives" that conserve leftism few years back are not really conserving anything anyway.

>>759224

>not posting the Marxist Lucifer King documentary by Steven Anderson

https://youtu.be/Fcmqe-yKFXs

>>759229

Noice.

>>759243

Nope it's not

MLK was a good guy though, he lived and died when racism was prejudice, and before it was dishonestly re-invented as prejudice + power. Of course, that makes it impossible to judge where he'd stand on matters now.

>>759214

>Reverend

>>759262

>Of course, that makes it impossible to judge where he'd stand on matters now.

According to his niece (who's a big Pro-Lifer), she says he was quite conservative and would probably oppose abortion (I would hope so for any minister however).

One funny thing I ran across makes me think he's extremely conservative by today's standards. He once had a Q and A column in the 50s, and a kid asked about rock music.

"I am a 17-year-old musician and I belong to the church. I play gospel music and I play rock ’n’ roll. Is it a sin to play rock ’n’ roll music for a living?

Answer: The question of whether playing rock and roll for a living is sinful or not sinful is really not the basic question confronting you. The real question is whether one can be consistent in playing gospel music and rock and roll music simultaneous. It seems to me that one must decide to either play gospel music or rock and roll. The two are totally incompatible. The profound sacred and spiritual meaning of the great music of the church must never be mixed with the transitory quality of rock and roll music. The former serves to lift men’s souls to higher levels of reality, and therefore to God; the latter so often plunges men’s minds into degrading and immoral depths. Therefore, I would say that you would be giving your life to a more noble purpose if you concentrated on the music of the church rather than rock and roll. Never seek to mix the two."

Hardly anyone thinks this way anymore.

>>759240

It's unbiblical and satanic to be racist.

>>759275

What about race realism?

>communist

>Faggot

>Adulteror

>Denied virgin birth

>Denied deity of Jesus

>plagiarised his doctoral dissertation

>Wasn't named Martin Luther, but Michael

He was NOT a Baptist and NOT a role model for anyone.

His dad was named Michael too, but loved Martin Luther so much he renamed himself and his son. AND MLK Jr. still liked going by Michael himself in private. Martin was more his dad's idea. But besides that, this is the pettiest reason to dislike the guy.

>>759279

Biblically speaking, races are just people wh adapted to different climate. Scientifically speaking race doesn't exist and there are more variations within racial groups than between them.

>>759287

Inherently naturalist argument, not supported by the Bible

>>759240

>Like being a /pol/ack is a good thing

It is superior to being a lefty in every way.

At least they have something in common with us.

>>759275

No it isn't.

Acts 17:26

And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

>>759287

It's the other way around.

>races are just people wh adapted to different climate

This is the scientific concept of race.

The Bible also calls out against mixing in Tobit 4:12

>12 Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe: for we are the children of the prophets, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning, even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land.

>>759301

Sure, a broken bone is favourable to cancer, but still…much vikangz and muh Semitic religion an muh pure uwhite monolidigg guldure is still laughable.

>>759305

That's not /pol/, that's CIA/NSA/JIDF. Notice the pagan larping only started in 2017.

>>759305

Well we all have quirks and you'll just have to tolerate them.

Anyone who studies christianity understands that it's more hellenic than semetic, and for racial issues, I don't care what people want to believe. I stick with my own kind because it strikes me as the best option.

>>759303

Christianity creates vast material wealth for it's followers which can lead them astray. Then we end up worshipping ourselves and inhabiting this goofy degenerate utopia

>>759279

At best, when a person says that they are a "race realist", what they really mean is this: "I'm a racist, but I'm not one of THOSE racists!" ( I.e. stereotypical violent KKK/Neo-Nazi/Skinhead types.) At worst, said term is often utilized by real racists as a passive-aggressive way to get people to drop their guard and gradually become acclimated to real racism. In other words, if you're unironically using the term, there's a good chance that, to put it charitably, you're not being on the up and up.

>>759340

You sound like a liberal college professor. What do you mean by "real racism"?

>>759301

>implying being a /pol/ack is mutually exclusive from leftism

What do you think NEET National Socialism is?

>>759266

And then we got those wretched guitar masses anyway, because so many churches are scared of alienating the youth.

>>759275

>>759279

>>759287

What about white separatism?

>>759282

>He was NOT a Baptist

Why did he preach in the Ebenezer Baptist Church?

>>759349

Because they're heretics who call themselves Baptist

>>759266

Based and checked

>>759354

Repatriation, just like Lincoln and everyone else said

>>759266

He was apparently against sodomites as well

>Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was writing an advice column in 1958 for Ebony magazine when he received an unusual letter.

<“I am a boy,” an anonymous writer told King. “But I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don’t want my parents to know about me. What can I do?”

>In calm, pastoral tones, King told the boy that his problem wasn’t uncommon, but required “careful attention.”

<“The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired,” King wrote. “You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.”

>>759275

ANON DON'T START IT-

>Martin Luther

The name says it all.

>>759301

<when you have to resort to obscure non-canon books to justify your views

O hoow good it is to laff

>>759301

>>12 Beware of all whoredom, my son, and chiefly take a wife of the seed of thy fathers, and take not a strange woman to wife, which is not of thy father's tribe: for we are the children of the prophets, Noe, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: remember, my son, that our fathers from the beginning, even that they all married wives of their own kindred, and were blessed in their children, and their seed shall inherit the land.

That's because of COVENANT. Not race. Any actual race could join the people of Israel and convert. Because it's more about covenant. Even some of Jesus' own ancestors were these converts (Ruth).

>>759412

>Believing the Jews literally to tell you what's Canon and not because the deuterocanon btfo Luther's theology

>>759418

>adding to scripture because papa pedo said to

>still don't believe it has any authority because all you care about is papa pedo

>>759421

Reported.

>adding to scripture because Jews in Alexandria 5 centuries before Christ wrote inspired books even aknowlegde by Jews in Jesus time.

>removing books from the Scripture because butthurt Jews in the council of Jasmia (end of the 1st AD) because they were scared of the success of the sect of the Nazarene

Protestants bowing to their overlords everytime.

>>759426

Its was for >>759421 (You)

>>759423

U mad bro?

>>759430

>ignores the opposition arguments by calling us pedos

>breaks the law of this board saying the debates should be ruled by charity.

I guess who are already saved who the winnie the pooh needs to be charitable right?

>>759431

Don't even get me started on faggotry in protestantism kek.

>>759432

>waah my feels!!!

>>759434

>said the dude that started crying and calling us faggots.

Pastor Anderson pays to to spread lies or is it your father?

>>759435

Speak English, Paco

I can fully hold to the Deuterocanon and not follow the "papa" in Rome. Consider me a more neutral party (Orthodox).

Tobit's verse is still about covenant. In fact, everything in scripture is about covenant. Don't think with just the flesh, bros.

>>759438

?

Didn't MLK deny the divinity of Christ? Heresy is the greatest crime a man can commit.

>>759442

I can't find that on the Wikipedia but I'd not be surprised.

The faggot demanded reparations for slavery lol. This is the least. The worse is that he supported planned parenthood.

That's absolutely heresy and leads to murder, I don't see how could he call himself a Christian.

The guy that killed him, although it's a sinful action, made a favour to the world.

I think I read something once about how nowadays our "race" is fellow Christians. I don't remember where though, but maybe somebody knows what I'm talking about.

>>759445

>The faggot demanded reparations for slavery lol. This is the least.

That is a good thing though.

>The worse is that he supported planned parenthood. That's absolutely heresy and leads to murder, I don't see how could he call himself a Christian.

Supporting sin does not make you a heretic. Denying the doctrines defined at the Ecumenical Councils (on the Trinity for the 1st and 2nd, on the Incarnation for the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th) makes you a heretic.

>The guy that killed him, although it's a sinful action, made a favour to the world.

That's an oxymoron. Job 14:4:

>Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? No one!

>>759449

>That is a good thing though.

W-why?

>>759449

I know that anon. I was just mad that people worship this fag.

>>The faggot demanded reparations for slavery lol. This is the least.

That is a good thing though.

Are you black?

>>759478

>Are you black?

What if I were? I'm not black, by the way. I'm not sure what my ethnicity has to do with what I said.

>>759466

Sorry, I didn't notice you replied.

The cultural notions and ideals that have made sure slavery and racial discrimination would be instituted in America were not gone at that time. They are not completely gone today either.

>>759275

very true. I still reject MLK as a CIA/FBI mouth-piece and social engineering proxy warrior.

>>759415

>That's because of COVENANT. Not race. Any actual race could join the people of Israel and convert.

Bullshit. The tribes couldn't even interbreed with EACH OTHER. This is laughable.

>>759501

Why do you feel that blacks (african-americans) receiving reparations from europeans is a good thing?

>>759505

>The cultural notions and ideals that have made sure slavery and racial discrimination would be instituted in America were not gone at that time.

This doesn't mean anything. This is a bullshit answer. What about white reparations for Muslim slavery? Or for Jewish slavery? And why is racial discrimination, or the acknowledgment of racial homogeneity amoral in your worldview?

>>759629

>mixing race is bad!

ok, so all those mixed race saints in heaven are bad? this isn't some 20th century thing, miscegenation has occurred for centuries, God seems to hate the works of fornication and adultery more than mixed-race people marrying properly

>>759635

Nope, you won't move the goalposts on me. The argument was about the Israelites; specifically that ANYONE could join them and that it wasn't about racial homogeneity but covenant. Which is wrong. Not only did God smite them for mixing with the Midianites, but later explicitly told them NOT to mix the tribes. So a Levite couldn't even breed with a Ruebanite.

FBI put out some files on him, not much good to say, talk of him beating women and getting into homo orgies, wasn’t a good man according to the DOD. Talk of Marxism, debauchery, bad stuff. I asked my granddad about this, he said everyone back in the 60’s knew this about him, makes me wonder if it was disinformation, who knows? Rabbit holes left and right. Love him for dreams of equality but was most likely a civil tool and usually these social freedoms are satanic in this origin. Read it and think for yourself.

Overall MLK on the surface was a pretty cool guy, doesn’t afraid of nothing. Not Malcom X-Black panther-tier, but something was fishy fishy…

https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/104-10125-10133.pdf

>>759646

It looks like he was handled by Stanley Levison, who among other things, attended the re-incarnation of the Frankfurt School. This is a very good document by the way, Anon. I thank you for it.

>>759219

Plus he denied the Trinity.

>>759660

The DOD organizations are known for disinfo so just be careful with what you read

>>759667

If there's one thing I trust the pre-2000's government with, it's their assessment of communist activity.

>>759670

Ehhh social engineering is social engineering, the 60’s is a highlight of peak puppeteering, but take it for what you will

>>759275

It's unbiblical and satanic to be a faggot.

Also screw your bait anon.

>>759287

>Biblically speaking, races are just people wh adapted to different climate. Scientifically speaking race doesn't exist and there are more variations within racial groups than between them.

Hmm let;s see who disagrees with you:

>Scripture - God made various peoples

>Science - each ethnicities differ on a genetic basis. That's why you will not get bone marrow transplant from an african but more likely form one of your own

If race does not even exist you cannot be racist. Lol mate you are either retarded leftist or you are severely misguided in your beliefs. Wish you the best though.

>>759663

Is this for real? Then what kind of "Christian" was he? Even the real Martin Luther would cut his balls for that.

>>759640

ok, so what tribe are you in? judah? are you even racially pure? I demand to see your genetic tests! if you stray even a drop, I proclaim your entire blood-line damned!

or something

>>759702

Not him, but…

Good.

Now use proper biological or theological terminology.

>>759634

>What about white reparations for Muslim slavery? Or for Jewish slavery?

Muslims do need to make reparation for slavery. People forget that the slave trade (of many ethnicities, not just white people) has been pioneered by the Arabs, and justified by their religion.

Sadly no one wants to hear that today because white people want to put Islam on a pedestal if it allows them to shit on Christianity, while black people are being fed propaganda that Islam is the traditional religion of black people and Christianity is from the white devil.

>And why is racial discrimination, or the acknowledgment of racial homogeneity amoral in your worldview?

Is this a serious question? Because I am a Christian.

God created us male and female, but He did not create us with several races. Adam and Eve were the same race, racial divisions are only a later consequence. This is, for instance, why bishops and priests acting "in persona Christi" during the Liturgy means they have to be male but their ethnicity does not matter.

Furthermore the division of nations that happened at the Tower of Babel was undone at Pentecost. The commandment on not marrying non-Jews that Moses gave is carried on in the Church, as we cannot marry non-Christians. You might say there are only two races - the race of Adam and the race of Christ.

And of course, our hierarchy has condemned racism and racialism several times, even in the context of ecclesiological heresy (ethnophyletism). For instance, the first result I can pull up:

http://www.assemblyofbishops.org/news/2017/response-to-racist-violence-charlottesville-va

>>759830

>>759634

But how is giving money to people that have never been slaves, from people that never owned slaves, going to solve anything?

Also, should the descendants of African slavers (i.e. the modern population of coastal West African countries) pay reparations to New World blacks as well?

>>759874

I'm not sure what you are talking about. Who cares about the Pope? I'm not a Catholic.

>Didn't he?

No, He did not. Do you have a better response? I brought up scriptures and what our hierarchs teach. What do you bring up?

>>759875

>What do you bring up?

Observable reality. Between 40,000-60,000 years of evolution in wildly different climates. Differences in skin color, brain size, muscle tissue, knee architecture, body type, bone marrow, DNA, eye color, hair color, voice, speech patterns, IQ, crime rate, propensity to have many or fewer offspring, et cetera.

>>759879

I do not deny that different races exist, biologically. However, that is not how God created mankind. One can use your argument to also claim that homosexuality, mental illness, etc. are natural, you know.

What I meant by "what do you bring up" was "what other scriptures and teachings from the Church and the Church Fathers do you bring up". I have no interest with debating this on secular grounds, because I am a Christian, and you are a Christian.

>>759224

True. Bolsheviks and Trokstyites came here. Bill Kristol. Ben Shapiro. etc. Kikes should be deported or executed. You don't have to be a natsoc to accept this. Natsocs are race worshipers and a philosophical offshoot from the Enlightenment, same as communism, so spiritually bankrupt.

>>759229

Faggiest and most incorrect post in the thread.

>>759874

>Pan-Europe

Cringe

Can't believe no one posted the Marxist Lucifer King documentary yet

embed isnt working for me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcmqe-yKFXs&t=2s

Malcolm X was much more honest and realistic man (republic of new africa or whatever segregatism was probably better for both whites and black), while king was just unrealistic sexual deviant

>>759670

>pre-2000

>GHWBush was CIA director in 70s

>implying

>>759874

>The Germanic one. Or Pan-Europe if you will. There was once a dream that was America…

cringe

>>759937

>Natsocs are race worshipers

agree

>a philosophical offshoot from the Enlightenment

can you explain this?

>>760004

>can you explain this?

Secular humanism. Total worship of the human and the material. There are obvious occult dealings within the groups, but the explicit philosophy is the promotion of the "volk," the race. Communism is the same, just a different aspect- the worker, the Proletariat. Both of them have historically had a worship of a man in leadership, der Fuhrer, Chairman, Great Leader, Comrade. Liberal democracy is no different. All of them are Enlightenment trash and were created to replace the worship of God, and devote it to the State and the People.

>>760011

i see, essentially nietzschean philosophy with different cloak. whats the issue with the continentals? seems like (with exception of hume, i guess. but english experimentalism is different i guess) their pursuit of "uber-being", and their obsession with it. my theory was that as continental peopple are perpetually embroiled in war, turmoil, etc, they crave for "uber-god", not "weak, meak christian god" i guess.

I can track your exact genetic lineage and places of origin through genetic cluster analysis, and literally all I would need is your spit.

Opinions on this?

https://www.desiringgod.org/interviews/should-we-encourage-interracial-marriage

>>760415

Typical hippie platitudes of the cucky "new calvinists" that doesn't address the best theological arguments against them

>>760422

Like kinism, with its inconsistency?

>>760431

No, the opposite. Kinism is the correct position because it is the only consistent one.

Personally, I like Malcom X better. MLK was a known communist, denied to trinity, and what he taught about race was just false. X might have been a muslim, but I have more respect for overt heretics than heretics who pretend to be Christians.

>nb4 race idolater

I'm not a neo-nazi anymore but I still recognize that the races are different and tend not to mix well.

>>759431

One problem I can see with those data is that a lot of Americans claim to be catholic without actually being practicing catholics. If you tried to find a link between how strongly their faith is practiced and their support of gay marriage you'd most likely see a really high amount of those who never go to church saying it's okay, and just about all who are very involved in their church would say it's bad.

>>760448

So which races are considered ok? I always get vague stuff about how they're separated by God, but nothing really establishing what those separations entail. There's a lot variability within broad categories like white, black, yellow, red, and brown. The most I've gotten is just contrasting an ugly person from one race with a beautiful person from another, reminds me a bit of the fictional "baramins."

>>760448

Where do you get Kinism though? We're all descended through Adam and Eve.

>>760512

All races are okay… What do you mean?

>>760517

Obviously not a challenge to kinism

Read it at faithandheritage.com

>>760523

I read it, and it only briefly touches on Adam and Eve. I don't see an explanation for how scripture forbids race-mixing.

>>760542

No, I'm saying that your supposed God-ordained barriers between the races don't exist, as they can trace their lineage back, and common traits can be found amongst all of them. For example, the remains of the Native populations of North and South America share kinship with the Inuit, and they in turn share kinship with Siberians, which share kinship with standard Asians and the Austronesian peoples, and so on and so forth. So, to some extent, we are all kin. The reality is that race is a very finicky term, that can mean something very different for different people. To act like it's something concrete is ludicrous.

>miscegenation

Does that mean Inuits and Asians can't be together? Or Anglos and Mediterraneans, Ethiopians and Khoisan, Maori and Aboriginals? Where are the lines drawn?

>>760547

You're still carrying on with a strawman argument.

There's not a kinist that denies the reality that God made of one blood all nations of men. In that same verse, the bible affirms the existence of separate nations (ethnos, races). The question of where the lines are drawn is entirely irrelevant to the moral question of if mixing is appropriate from the Bible.

>>760542

What they take from scripture seems to point against interfaith marriages, not interracial. It even says there is strict forbidding of it.

>>760551

>St. Paul referred to the broader meaning of these laws against hybridization, and against yoking an ox and an ass to a plow (Deut. 22:10), in II Corinthians 6:14. . . . Unequal yoking plainly means mixed marriages between believers and unbelievers and is clearly forbidden. But Deuteronomy 22:10 not only forbids unequal religious yoking by inference, and as a case law, but also unequal yoking generally. This means that an unequal marriage between believers or between unbelievers is wrong. Man was created in the image of God (Gen. 1:26), and woman in the reflected image of God in man, and from man (I Cor. 11:1-12; Gen. 2:18, 21-23). “Helpmeet” means a reflection or mirror, an image of man, indicating that a woman must have something religiously and culturally in common with her husband. The burden of the law is thus against inter-religious, inter-racial, and inter-cultural marriages, in that they normally go against the very community which marriage is designed to establish

>>760552

Why isn't common faith enough? As far as I'm aware, the church has never had a position against interrace, which I would think would be in church tradition if they ever had one. Their interpretation seems personal and a stretch.

>>760542

>has a celtic pagan cross as logo

That about sums up my feelings on that website. We've already had discussions on the Biblical stance of mixing nationalities. There is nothing wrong with it, it is not a sin. Is it good, is it bad? The Bible is neutral.

The Old Testament was about risk of pagan corruption, which happened several times and God punished them for it, and keeping the bloodline of Christ purely from the line of Abraham.

As someone else said, the Bible is explicit about marrying an unbeliever; it is a sin because it corrupts and is evil.

>>760552

>Deuteronomy

The Old Testament is about the same thing, because at the time, a race was synonymous with a racial religion aka paganism. And already mentioned the purity of Christ and prophecy, which has already been fulfilled.

All of this being said, I would never encourage mixing with an African. It's just a bad idea, seeing what they do and what they've allowed themselves to become. I am selective and realist about differences between races. They all have their pros and cons, Africans mostly being negative.

>>760550

> the existence of separate nations (ethnos, races)

Guess you're an abomination against the Lord then, since I take it your families are from a mixed heritage, as are many white protestants, especially if you're living in burgerland.

>The question of where the lines are drawn is entirely irrelevant to the moral question of if mixing is appropriate from the Bible

It's completely relevant! If you can't even discern the borders supposedly given by God Himself, how can you ever hope to abide by those borders? (If there are even borders that need to be abided by)

>>760552

I find it funny that they say the Bible clearly states it, and yet it has to be pointed out by your ilk. Would anyone arrive at this conclusion normally, or was Rushdoony the sole interpreter to get it right?

>>760565

They like to ignore that Revelation says there will always be nations in the end. That's prophecy. It's not something man will change, no matter how many mixed marriages there might be between now and then.

The Tower of Babel division was also done because man placed himself above God. Pride. Similar to race worship. The LARPagans place their own race and """"heritage"""" above God.

>>760572

>nations in the end

<nations

Since when does nation=race?

>The Tower of Babel division

I take it you see that as a historical event?

>>760573

Nation and race are very close. Nation is more of a subset of race, but nations are still all distinct from each other. Nations are far more relevant than race anyway, for most things.

>see that as a historical event

Of course.

>>760578

>nations are far more relevant than race anyway, for most things

So a Frenchman getting with a Briton is a sin?

>>760578

I do not interpret nations as a state of governance, just to clarify. They are people, not laws.

>>760579

You've confused me with the other poster, anon. Check IDs next time.