The Echarist: Who gets to have it?

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The Echarist: Who gets to have it? Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 10:23:01 67c85b No.753255

If you remember a few years back, Pope Francis published a letter with a small footnote implying that people who are divorced and civilly remarried could receive the Eucharist. A lot of people freaked out over this, but it is actually in line with Church teaching. According to the Church, you have to be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist. That is, you can't have a mortal sin on your conscience. But also, according to the Church, any mortal sin can be a venial sin if any given priest determines that you don't have full consent of the will, full knowledge, affective immaturity etc

Really, it seems like it is all a matter of opinion. If you take the most rigid possible view, every unrepentant adulterer, unrepentant remarried couple, liar, cheater and heretic should stay away from the Eucharist. But so should everyone who masturbates, dwells on lustful thoughts, wishes harm on others, uses contraceptives, supports contraceptives, uses the Lord's name in vain, supports gay rights and is unrepentant. (All of the above are considered "gave sins"). This would end up being easily 99% of lay Catholics. And of course, the opposite extreme is saying the a mortal sin is basically impossible to commit (which some theologians posit) and everyone should be receiving the Eucharist all the time if possible.

Where do you draw the line? Who should receive the Eucharist? Divorced and remarried? Only in cases where they are on a "faith journey" or should they refrain altogether? What about contraceptive users? Masturbators? Are you a full on Jansenist and think that Communion should be a very rare event only for people who are absolutely certain they are in a state of grace?

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 10:33:42 1c580b No.753256

>>753255

>but it is actually in line with Church teaching. According to the Church, you have to be in a state of grace to receive the Eucharist. That is, you can't have a mortal sin on your conscience. But also, according to the Church, any mortal sin can be a venial sin if any given priest determines that you don't have full consent of the will, full knowledge, affective immaturity etc

You're trying to pull something sneaky here so I'll just pretend this paragraph didn't happen for my own sake.

>But so should everyone who masturbates, dwells on lustful thoughts, wishes harm on others, uses contraceptives, supports contraceptives, uses the Lord's name in vain, supports gay rights and is unrepentant.

Was that supposed to be a counterpoint? I don't see it.

>This would end up being easily 99% of lay Catholics

You said unrepentant, not practicing.

But if the number of unrepentant people is 99%, then 99% shouldn't touch the Eucharist, yes. Its literally in the bible.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 11:41:03 c32f90 No.753271

>>753256

FPBP.

Nobody under guilt of grave sin can receive the Eucharist.

NOBODY

>This would end up being easily 99% of lay Catholics

So the Church should do as the Anglicans and allow everything so these 99% can finally receive the Eucharist even though both Holy tradition and Scripture says no?

The Church needs to make sure these 99% become able to receive by giving proper catechism, making clear and orthodox statements (looking at you Bergoglio) and proper handling of abuse scandals no matter what.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 11:45:11 461be6 No.753274

Everyone who is not in mortal sin.

Remarried people are in mortal sin therefore they can't have it.

>but pope Francis implies that

First the document carries no doctrinal authority. The pope had to say explicitly that he by the power of Christ, the apostles etc etc alowwed the Eucharisty to sinners (if at this moment he wasn't struck dead he would just excommunicate in a funny way, infalibily can't change the doctrine)

Besides the cardinals sent several requests to the Pope asking if he really meant that but the pope never answered.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 12:13:26 ea1b9a No.753278

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>catholicism

Nice first world lukewarm faith problems you have there.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 13:01:32 c9e52b No.753290

At a Baptist Church, you must be a baptized member of our local church to take the Lord's supper. The pastor tells the congregation not to participate if they're not right with God, and it's up to the individual to not bring judgment on himself.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 14:37:51 8c5add No.753330

>>753274

With just a quick sleight of hand we see the cucktholic doing what he does best, justifying himself for following heretic clergy.

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Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 15:02:57 c32f90 No.753346

>>753290

>The pastor tells the congregation not to participate if they're not right with God, and it's up to the individual to not bring judgment on himself.

This is also the general practice in Catholic churches, though I heard that a priest may refuse communion to laity if he sees fit (like known gang members, drug dealers, whore-mongers etc.).

Thing is, the whole vagueness of Bergoglio makes it that you could interpret it as either very orthodox or very very liberal.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 15:17:03 c9e52b No.753349

>>753346

Why are they church members if these long-term problems persist? Where's the discipline on other weeks?

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 15:43:28 1c580b No.753360

>>753330

>justifying himself for following heretic clergy.

Add a "not" in there and you'd have what he's actually doing. Nice counter sleight.

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 18:19:24 c9e52b No.753444

>>753437

Haha ebic

Sacramentalists just go to hell for believing a false gospel so it's not like it matters anyway

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 18:46:20 c32f90 No.753456

>>753349

>Why are they church members if these long-term problems persist?

These are the people who only go on Christmas eve and funerals.

A small percentage of those also go to regular Sunday masses but at Novus Ordo, probably don't know anything else either.

They're born into it and don't give it a second thought…except when it's against same-sex marriage or abortion, then they shout bigotry and tolerance :^)

Christanon 01/08/19 (Tue) 18:58:15 31fd41 No.753469

>>753255

You’re right about Catholic communion. It’s different for other denoms though.

Welp, you’re welcome at Lutheran Communion if you’re baptized. We see it as a chance to remember that Jesus HAS FORGIVEN your sins, not to guilt trip over sin you’re still in bondage to. As long as you’re in line with Paul’s warnings on communion in 1 Corinthians you should be good to go

Christanon 01/31/19 (Thu) 14:44:08 e5dbb0 No.764381

Do people need to have attended catechesis in order to receive the Eucharist?

Christanon 01/31/19 (Thu) 16:43:50 aae54e No.764410

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>>753469

>guilt trip

>Using that word popular with high schoolers that want to avoid shame for the bad things they did.