/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>753187

Yes, I agree from what I've seen as well.

Honestly feel like this extends to all hyper-zealist practitioners (any denomination) when I see the name calling on this board it always comes from people who are so rigid in their Faith, they have no room for the entire Universal Body, which extends to all alleys of traditions - baptist, catholic, calvinists, orthodox…etc

>>753189

>they have no room for the entire Universal Body

there is no universal body consisting of many Churches, there is only One Church. Even the Orthodox believe in Extra Ecclessiam nulla salus.

>>753189

>Universal Body

I don't mean to be needlessly quarrelsome, but not all denominations believe that all denominations contain members of the "Universal Body". As an example, the Orthodox believe that the Orthodox Church is the visible Church, and those who are outside it are, well, outside it.

Catholics believed the same thing about the Catholic church, until they didn't. Although some of them still do. It really isn't clear to me what the actual teaching is any more.

All of this is just to make the point that being a Christian doesn't require one to believe that all "Christian" churches are united in belief and we should all just get along and sing kumbayah. Better to sing kumbayah than to murder each other, obviously, but there are real disagreements that matter and shouldn't be swept under the rug.

>>753192

>Catholics believed the same thing about the Catholic church, until they didn't. Although some of them still do. It really isn't clear to me what the actual teaching is any more.

The teaching is still Extra Ecclesiam nullas salus.

I can come up with the same sticking point as you, and point out that USA orthoprots don't believe in EENS either (which is also disingenuous)

>>753191

>>753192

I don't mean everything is merry inbetween the differences, if there are toes on the pathway then they will be trod on and feeling will get hurt.

I sincerely believe we are all united in Christ. The different denominational practices come to down the fullness of our Faith that we wish to embrace. I believe the sanctimony of the Universal Church is through our profession of Jesus Christ.

>>753197

I really didn't mean to offend or to be uncharitable. My time inquiring at a Catholic church was so full of ecumenical feel-goodery, and given Vatican II I just wasn't clear.

>>753199

Vatican II states the obvious: that being outside of the Church during life does not necessarily mean anyone is damned, but they need to be in the Church for salvation by the end.

Had they been de-facto damned from the beginning, conversion would be impossible and pointless.

>>753187

>I think for the layman Christian who has never read the Bible, Pastor Anderson and his "hard preaching style" is a breath of fresh air in this world of lukewarm back-slidden Christians.

100% this.

He's not a true christian. He may be saved but he shouldnt be in the pulpit regardless of his afilliacions or background.

>>753183

Any group that claims exclusive access to Christ is a cult, that goes for you people and your extra-biblical Latin mumbo jumbo.

>>753260

>He's not a Christian

>He's saved

>>753261

>Any group that claims exclusive access to Christ is a cult, that goes for you people and your extra-biblical Latin mumbo jumbo.

By that reason, you'd cast out the Apostles too.

But Christ actually built A church. You should ask yourself where it is. Not whether it exists.. because it does, else you make Christ a liar.

I'm not saying it's Rome though.

>>753301

Have you considered that the church of Matthew 16 is eschatological?

>>753301

>By that reason, you'd cast out the Apostles too.

I'm talking about modern day groups which call themselves "Christian", yet they add a bunch of crap to the gospel and also claim exclusivity to grace.

>>753303

Then the apostles wee retards in the Acts and St Paul was dumb to in making Timothy a Bishop and talking about an hierarchy, and all the people that followed were retarded too until some hundred years later an heretic excuse me a pius Christian came up with that novelty, although no one before him understood Mathew that way not even the apostles themselves.

anderson sucks but i'm pretty sure "brother" nathaniel isn't an actual monk and that his bishop came out and said so. not like he used to be a monk but got kicked out for controversial views, but like he never took actual vows with a monastery. he's larping even if his views are correct on some things.

>/pol/ack andersonites fighting with /pol/ack ortholarpers

A beautiful sight indeed

>>755308

That doesn't follow at all

Other churches still exist and need bishops even if none of them are the one being referred to in mat 16:18

>>755334

for satan

I don't like Anderson. I find his videos spiritually harmful because he speaks with such unabashed hatred and lack of charity toward his Christian brothers. But, I think that draws some people in. Particularly those of us weak to pride.

>Brother Nathanael

I should point out that "Brother" Nathanael is not an Orthodox monk. To my understanding, he was rejected from the monastery and just dresses up like a monk and runs around street corners saying he is.

>>755378

Nope, he's ROCOR.

>>753183

Frankly, I can't stand the guy; but he's become the meme pastor. All I ever hear from his mouth is hateful chicken squawks and his face is endlessly punchable.

>>753183

He's just a fun meme like all Fundamentalist Baptists.

>>755319

>>755378

He's not a monk, to become a monk is a very specific procedure in the Orthodox tradition part of which is living as a novice in a monastery for at least 2 years. Also monks have their own canons to follow and way of living. Brother Nathanael is more like a protestant street preacher than a monk.