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Incels the thread.

>>750546

>If the woman you're planning to marry considers divorce to ever be an option, she isn't suitable to be a wife.

>just be able to tell the future, pray that you dont live in a no-fault divorce state, and have the ability to read your spouses thoughts bro

>>750546

But wait, in the verse, what does the word "divorce" includes? For example, does death/accident of the wife considered "divorce" for example ?

Moreover, only considering this verse, it says that actively divorcing is adultery and it says that marrying a woman that was divorced from a husband is adultery. But what about if your woman divorces you, you can't remarry with a virgin never married woman ?

Well, I ask all of that because it seems really stretch out and unfair that because of the degeneracy ,sins and viciousness of someone else, which you very much might never be responsible in anyway, shape or form, that you are being punished for life to stay unmarried for life, no possibility of having a family and thus dying alone and having your ancesetory being terminated for ever…All because the wife wanted to divorce to be free and degenerate and that you have to pay the tremendous price for it. Something doesn't sound right here.

>>750548

This is correct.

If a woman divorces you, you have not divorced her.

If you divorce her, she has not divorced you.

This particular obstacle might be solved in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18. It goes:

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* Do not be yoked with those who are different, with unbelievers.* For what partnership do righteousness and lawlessness have? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?

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What accord has Christ with Beliar? Or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever?

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l What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; as God said:

“I will live with them and move among them,*

and I will be their God

and they shall be my people.

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Therefore, come forth from them

and be separate,” says the Lord,

“and touch nothing unclean;

then I will receive youm

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and I will be a father to you,

and you shall be sons and daughters to me,

says the Lord Almighty.”

I'm not a pastor, but if I understand this verse correctly you're situation allows you to remarry.It sounds like it's saying if your wife becomes an unbeliever and wants to divorce, you're okay. You can marry again. But of course make sure you consult your pastor

>>750550

You have to trust your spouse, that's how marriage works. If you can't handle it don't get married.

>But what if you marry to a woman and that said woman decides that she later wants to be a "strong and independant woman" and devorce you/ left you

That's why it's crucial to find a woman who is in communion with God and the church, someone who knows that divorce should not be an option.

>And what if you marry a woman and that you want to procreate many children and have a happy life and then, the woman dies in an accident, you are yet supposed not to marry with someone else because you would be commiting adultery?

What do you think "Until death to us apart" mean when doing the vows? Paul also allowed widows to marry again in 1 Corinthians 7

>>750563

Let's move the debate away from "what I think is fair" and into "what does the Bible say"

>>750565

>Let's move the debate away from "what I think is fair" and into "what does the Bible say"

You mean "what is fair" and "what does the Bible say", because the Bible is Logos, and what is Logos is fair.

>>750567

I said what I mean

>>750561

>let's just ignore the countless men who were completely blindsided by their spouse

I wish I could be that naive again.

I've seen it happen firsthand and its terrifying.

>>750571

>So what is your status as the man if the woman divorces you?

Divorced legally, but not of the Heart.

I can feel the newfaggotry in the air, not only for the poor writing, but the lack of differentiation between divorced and a widower.

This thread is just retarded

>Marriage is a covenant between both spouses and God only death can break<

Sage and move on

My career was strangled in the cradle by a woman doing instant-180 away from her husband - my employer - because he was hospitalized from overwork sickness. Broke every law in the book and then the courts point fingers at the man by default. The man was never fully functional again and the woman just sits on her butt and plays the victim for not receiving the wagons of free cash she thought she had coming.

I have as little to add to the conversation as the rest of us; just venting.

>>750607

Those are the rules. Do you find the teachings of Christ hard? Well they are and the Jews thought the same.

Matthew 19:10

His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.

Well but this is the case.

In case you didn't understand Christianity isn't about feeling good. It's about the truth.

>but a girl can cuck the rest of my life.

Then the sin is on her. It would be unfair indeed if there was just this life, but there's another one. This one is a valley of tears.

>>750607

One more thing

>not signing a prenup

That's your fault tbh.

>>750620

Prenups are for those who don't trust God and their Spouse.

Ie, those with deceipt in their heart.

>>750592

I'm not denying that it happens

>>750621

Yeah I know it's a bad practice, but this winnie the pooh world is rough.

Not that I care much about material things.

Which just means one thing. We must choose a woman very carefully.

>>750541

>But what if you marry to a woman and that said woman decides that she later wants to be a "strong and independant woman" and devorce you/ left you, by the catholic faith, you can't remarry and start a family with another woman and you are destined to live childless and without family for the rest of your life

Well ehh, " 'Till death do us part" was what you say at the altar in English, right?

>>750623

Wow who would of thought.

>>750541

Making up strawwomen like an incel and blaming hypothetical problems on an unfair divorce system is directly opposed to Christian thought and practice. Think of how fickle you percieve earthly women, and multiply that by a hundred thousand and you get the Church, the bride of Christ. How unfair is it for Christ to have to forgive all our sins day by day? Yet he still loves us and shows us mercy, even to those who no longer want to be with him. if marriage is a pale shadow of the divine union between God and man, and we are called to be Christlike in all things, then the rules of divorce and remarriage are not only fair, but just and merciful as well.

What is fair is not always what is right, so seek righteousness first before you are dealt justice.

>>750621

The exact opposite of this true.

You will find out exactly what kind of woman you are pledging your life to when she finds out your assets will can't be extracted through legal manipulation.

It should be standard practice, it exposes someones true intentions.

>>750707

If you seriously care that much about material possessions you're not putting Christ/Faith first and you have bigger problems to worry about than the Woman you wish to marry.

>>750709

No my man.

If SHE cares that much about material possessions she's not putting Christ/Faith first and she has bigger problems to worry about than the man she wishes to marry.

>>750724

Wow you sure stumped me with that one.

>>750729

Feel free to make an argument.

>>750731

I can't, you're way to smart. Congradulations.

>>750567

Yes, I agree. I just recently discovered “logos” got translated “word”, that was a powerful and very helpful realization.

>>750554

Jesus also implies that following his will comes above everything, literally everything, including family and wife and children. He says this verbatim I believe at one point in the gospels. I think bottom line is listen to and follow God’s will. Sometimes this will require leaving everything and everybody. I am actually of the mind st the moment that it perhaps ALWAYS requires this. I am not positive. But if I get more direct guidance and I am convicted it is from the Lord the right thing to do is follow it, anything else is sin. These are just more “laws” , and laws can’t save, only God can.

>>750761

>always requires

but to clarify that thought, i don’t mean to imply that this means literally the right thing to do is for everyone to actually and literally abandon everything and everyone, but thst everyone must be WILLING to do exactly that, should it be required of us, because following the Lord comes above everything. I think that is biblical…

>>750563

You

>It's not fair.

Jesus Christ

>Pick up your cross and follow me.

He said this while willingly carrying his cross to be executed for crimes he did not commit.

Rev. Fulton Sheen

>The image of love in a fallen world is the cross.

We have to be willing to die out of love for those who will spit on us while we do it. This is the price Our Lord has set for us, and the way he has told us we can show our love in and faith for him.

This thread brings up a question that I have in regards to my spouse. My wife was recently divorced when I first met her. We've been married for nearly 10 years now. I have heard God's calling and I decided to answer, and she has been supportive, but I'm worried about her status in the eyes of the lord. What should I do?

>>750814

If God calls you and you're married he calls to the both of you. For the two of you are one Vessel for the Lords work.

>>750814

Since you didn't have a religious marriage, just get a legal divorce and move on

>>750821

No, we get along fine and love each other, we're not fighting or anything.

>>750548

>Incels

Sup, CIA.

>implying being a “strong independent woman” doesn’t imply sleeping with whoever she so pleases as an exercise in her “liberated sexuality”

Also my question is what if she divorced you over abuse. Like real actual physical stuff, not just yelling at her or having overly high expectations?

Sometimes I think I chose the harder path by being celibate, but not so. May God bless and take care of you all for walking this minefield.

>>750814

Marrying a divorced woman is a sin, but it sounds like you don't actually care about that.

>>750959

It's a good thing Jesus died on the cross so our sins can be forgiven

>>750822

Did I stutter?

>>750966

Living in a constant state of sin, they cannot be forgiven, because they can't repent while actually carrying out the sin continuously.

>>750690

>A woman divorcing a man (a long with stealing half of his possessions in the process) is just an absurd counterfactual

>Making realistic plans about things thousands of men have to face literally every day is contrary to Christian thought

>What are you, an Incel?!?!

What a waste of a paragraph.

>>750814

Is she baptised? Are you baptised? Is her ex husband dead? If the answer is not "no" at all this questions you cannot fug anymore until her ex husband dies.

>>750541

tfw fascists will read that last pic and still call Christianity "slave morality"

>>750551

I remember reading that in the context of the Covenant the death of a spouse is perfectly okay to remarry and would not break any Law.

>>750966

>Bro it's okay to sin man, Jesus died for us so it's cool to do the exact opposite of what he said!

>>750541

>And what if you marry a woman and that you want to procreate many children and have a happy life and then, the woman dies in an accident, you are yet supposed not to marry with someone else because you would be commiting adultery ?

This is incorrect. If your wife dies, you can remarry without committing adultery.