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How is it possible to read the Bible and come to the conclusion that Protestantism is right about anything?

Read Orthodox commentaries on the Bible and see if they seem to be right about the Bible too

>>745389

>The catholic and orthodox churches believe you need sacraments and other things not mentioned specifically in the Bible but handed down through tradition.

Many of those sacraments are in the Bible, they’re just not called sacraments. The word trinity never appears in the Bible, but the concept may be found none the less.

T. Nondenom

>>745389

The belief is self-defeating, anon. Sola scriptura is nowhere in the Bible, and in fact the Bible contradicts it pretty directly.

>2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

>>745394

Don't forget about Jude referencing the assumption of Moses and the book of Enoch as if the stories were true. There's things like this all over the Bible if you look. Not even the people who wrote the Bible believed in Sola Scriptura. How could the first Christians believe in Sola Scriptura if the Bible wasn't even written down yet, much less collected and compiled into a single text?

Then it begs the question of who decided which texts are 'bible' and which aren't. Who had the authority? Where did their authority come from?

>>745389

Sola sceiptura is a man made term that I no where to be found in the Bible.

Jesus didn't say: "look it up, it's in the Bible.

>>745394

Not a contradiction with Sola scriptura

The doctrine doesn't say to never observe tradition

>>745434

>Sola scriptura is the belief that the Bible holds what is necessary for salvation (the gospel).

Here, it may be, someone will ask, Since the canon of Scripture is complete, and is in itself abundantly sufficient, what need is there to join to it the interpretation of the Church? The answer is that because of the very depth of Scripture all men do not place one identical interpretation upon it. The statements of the same writer are explained by different men in different ways, so much so that it seems almost possible to extract from it as many opinions as there are men. Novatian expounds in one way, Sabellius in another, Donatus in another, Arius, Eunomius and Macedonius in another, Photinus, Apollinaris and Priscillian in another, Jovinian, Pelagius and Caelestius in another, and latterly Nestorius in another. Therefore, because of the intricacies of error, which is so multiform, there is great need for the laying down of a rule for the exposition of Prophets and Apostles in accordance with the standard of the interpretation of the Church Catholic.

(3) Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all.

St. Vincent

>>745434

>Sola scriptura is the belief that the Bible holds what is necessary for salvation (the gospel).

>They just believe that those traditions are not necessary for salvation because they're not found in the gospel.

Tradition with a capital T can be said to be a formalization of what's in Scripture. At every Mass we take Communion because Christ told us that it was His body and to eat it in remembrance of Him, and also that there would not be salvation for any that did not eat of His flesh. This is a good example of Scripture and Tradition being equally important. You need to believe what Christ said in Scripture, and you also need to partake in the Tradition of Communion in order for your belief to have any meaning.

>>745434

>God only knows

And then he told us in the Bible

Any trust in works for salvation is a false gospel

>>745451

>Any trust in works for salvation

Ah, yes, the old "my opponent is a pelagian" meme.

>>745454

Not what I'm alleging

I openly embrace semipelagianism

>>745389

The problem with sola scriptura is not just that they do not believe in sacraments. The real problem that Catholics and Orthodox have is that people come up with absolute retarded interpretations of the bible and then resort to 'muh holy spirit' as justification for their warped interpretation.

>>745321

>sounds like Catholicism/Orthodoxy is right

Do they sound correct before the ascetic/monastic movement? or when Augustine of Hippo debated against Pelagius?

>>745390

What book is that?

>>745321

The Bible is the higher authority. Seek God first and He will direct your path (Proverbs 3:5-6).

is Buckethead catholic?

>>746178

Christ is the highest Authority, and Scripture is equal with the Apostle's teaching, not all of which is contained in Scripture, as Scripture itself attests to.

>>746835

>read john 6

>The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life.

If anything, this maybe one of the reason why he realizes that the bible supports protestantism.

>>746881

because they thought that jesus was telling them that they were going to have to eat his dead body. he responds, saying that they will not eat his flesh without his spirit. the body of christ in the eucharist is his living body, which means his spirit is inside of it.

>>745390

What book is this?

>>746922

>>745530

It says right there lol

Marriage and Virginity According to St. John Chrysostom

>>746943

the idea that the apostolic Churches never encouraged the study of Scripture is a left-over Protestant meme

>>745321

Do you believe in the Bible or in history?

Why was half of this thread deleted?

>>753041

Because the mods are pretty ban-happy, especially for anyone who's not catholic.

>>753043

Why does everyone put up with it?

Is there a different board to go to?

>>753052

There's a couple, but they aren't nearly as active and some of them are a lot more tolerant of gnosticism and stuff. /christ/ is probably the most active of the ones I know of, but there's also /christianity/ that has a little bit of content. Both are incredibly slow boards compared to this one though.

>>745321

>read bible

>protestism is right

Calvinism is the most biblical. So no.

>Catholisism is popular so it might be right.

Lol nha.

>>745323

Ready to defend your beliefs? What church are you a part of?

>>760064

but the Church has married people for 2,000 years?

>>759980

>calvinism is most biblical

most heretical thing i've read all day