/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>740182

>So why is God just sitting there, not doing much and letting humans be?

>He constantly upholds and unceasingly creates the universe an all existence, and even loves you without hesitation and doubt, offering you grace and forgiveness

>God isn't doing much

Really?

>>740182

Because no one knows the hour. Only God the father knows.

>>740184

I'm talking about major historical things that are Biblical-level in proportion

>>740193

There's no need

Everything pre-crucifixion was done in preparation for that event. Post-crucifixion there isn't much else to do as the most important event in the history of the universe has already occurred. What more could possibly be done after Christ died for the sins of the whole world?

>>740185

if only the father knows the hour, how can jesus be god?

>>740233

*help

Just don't think about it too hard or else you might end up a muslim.

Your question is what sparks every cult and even the Charismatic Movement. The idea God doesn’t have something new for us is too much for some people to handle.

>>740226

Pretty much this. Revelation is not a surmise, it is a certainty and each second that passes takes us closer to those moments. Wars and rumours and wars, plague and pestilence, famine and strife; just because the news does not show it does not mean they are not there.

>>740219

If you're opinion is that Jesus cannot have been God without also being omniscient then consider that it was Jesus' way of saying that he's not telling.

>>740296

Father = 1

Son =1

Spirit =1

What's 1x1x1?

1

>>740182

>How come the end times haven't come yet?

In the sense of world historical events, Jesus Christ currently sits on His throne as the king of all nations (Apoc. 20, Dan. 7: 13-14) and awaits for the fullness of His Kingdom to be reached through the repentance and discipleship of the lost before He finally brings the earth to its end. In the sense of any individual life, every human can count on an end times of his own and its terms are the divide between good and evil, God's will or man's will.

>Also, it's been so many years since the events of the New Testament that humans have advanced to exploring space and still, God hasn't really done anything really so massive that would be comparable in size to the events of The Bible.

Immediate reach or physical impact doesn't really coincide with significance. Jesus Christ's birth was one of the most monumental events in history, yet it took place in a manger. But I disagree, every century since His birth has seen the monumental.

>>740302

>>740300

Precisely what the above said.

Though from my understand this exemplifies that God is everything and everyone, like me and you for example, are different people, but god is both of us in a sense.

>>740226

True to that, in some ways I can't take anymore this self suffering society impose on ourselves, the endless hunt for the wage slave, the loss of real value, the loss of peace and the chronic infliction of pain in ourselves and those close to us. Is ww3 coming yet? What will be left after?

>>740327

We need to come up with some real easy hands on every day sort of example using fruits or something, you know, explaining stuff in layman's terms shortly and easily.

Relying on binary relation to illustrate one of the core principles of our faith makes us look like a joke that's reaching really hard to justify itself, compare our binary table to how say Muslims explain it

"Durr dere be one God who's Allah, dats dat nothing more nothing less", even a troglodyte can instantly understand that, compare that to this binary table, which one do you think will the avarage Joe pick?

>>740219

Well Jesus humbled himself below the angels for a while.

https://carm.org/jesus-humbled-state-and-what-it-means

You're comparing small scale biblical events to huge scale modern historical events and you came to the conclusion that the end times stopped coming?

Sodom and gomor

Hiroshima and nagasaki

Kicking the jews out of egypt,

Kicking the jews out of europe

Flood that affects the entire known world at the time

Fire that affects an area of california larger than the biblical world

Paul writes about the days when the religious leaders will call themselves Jews but they won't be jews they will be the synagogue of satan.

Pol compiles every image macro you need to conclude the leaders of the world are satanists.

Anon how can you be so dense that you don't see how far along we already are. Jesus could come a knockin tomorrow for all we know.

We still need the true anti christ to rise, but its hard when nearly every big world leader fits the description. We arguably need the prophets to set the stage for the return of the king, but that essentially could be done through the chans and redpills.

Don't ignore how lucky you were to get seats so close to the apocalypse

>How come the end times haven't come yet?

>he thinks this is bad

Boy, you ain't seem nothing yet. Hell is a bottomless pit.

>>740219

According to standard Orthodox interpretation Jesus does know the last hour.

>>740329

Well part of the reason we cant explain the Trinity is its impossible to fully understand God and how He works - God isn't limited by our minds or understanding.

>>740337

Yeah, that's not going to happen. If /b/ is Sodom, /pol/ is Gomorrah.

>>740219

Jesus also knows the hour, but not his soul or something like it.

You should read the commentaries of the church fathers on that one.

https://sites.google.com/site/aquinasstudybible/home/gospel-of-mark-commentary/chapter-1/chapter-2/chapter-3/chapter-4/chapter-5/chapter-6/chapter-7/chapter-8/chapter-9/chapter-10/chapter-11/chapter-12/chapter-13

>>740185

God knows everything, so the Word and the Holy Spirit also know everything the Father knows.

Also God can choose to be ignorant if he wishes.

As St. Hillary said:

>But if God is said then to have known that Abraham loved Him, when He did not hide that His knowledge from Abraham, it follows, that the Father is said to know the day, because He did not hide it from the Son. If therefore the Son knew not the day, it is a Sacrament of His being silent, as on the contrary the Father alone is said to know, because He is not silent. But God forbid that any new and bodily changes should be ascribed to the Father or the Son.

>Lastly, lest He should be said to be ignorant from weakness, He has immediately added, “Take ye heed, watch and pray, for ye know not when the time is.”

>>740418

>Jesus also knows the hour, but not his soul or something like it.

I'd like to add that this Christological aspect is explained in the Summa Theologiae of Aquinas I'm to much of a brainlet to explain it least to understand it myself.

>>740182

Not to withdraw from the process, but to go further, to ‘accelerate the process’, as Nietzsche put it: in this matter, the truth is that we haven’t seen anything yet.

>>740182

>God hasn't really done anything really so massive that would be comparable in size to the events of The Bible

He does at every Mass. BEGOME Catholic and make the angels jealous by your communion with Christ.

if you ahven't realized it yet we are in the end times/last days, tribulation is nearer than ever

>>740404

i think modern computer games are a way of explaining the concept for people.

e.g. who is that character you create in skyrim (or whatever) and play as? when you're totally immersed in the gameworld? is that you or not you etc Jesus being God (his incarnation) is simple…. working out the holy spirit is more difficult.

>>740182

How come the eyes look so weird in that cartoon you posted? What’s up with the cartoon? Is that a picture of you

because Israel has yet to sit upon the final mountain.

>>740206

Trying to explain things in this way actually feeds into his argument–if everything important has been done, why hasn't God brought things to their prophesied end?

The answer, of course, is that God's will is well beyond our capacity to understand in mortal life, and that time to us isn't what it is to Him. Christ's resurrection is indeed the most important event in history, but that fact doesn't do any work in the argument. God wills that things happen a certain way. Sometimes we can tell why, but often it will seem mysterious at the time.

>How come the end times haven't come yet?

The end times have come already. We are in them. Why do you think Sunday is called the Day of the Lord? Did you read the prophets? When Jesus was resurrected, all the righteous were rewarded and all the wicked were condemned. We live in the 8th day of creation. The Kingdom of God is already within us. The eschaton has not happened yet but our current era is eschatological and the echo of the final judgement happens every Sunday at your local (Orthodox) church. All things will be sealed when the eschaton happns but until then we *are* in the end times, time itself simply isn't finished yet - when it is finished we will enter into eternity.

>Also, it's been so many years since the events of the New Testament that humans have advanced to exploring space and still, God hasn't really done anything really so massive that would be comparable in size to the events of The Bible.

What do you think the sacraments are? Looking at the history of the Church should tell you that this is obviously incorrect too.

>Where is the sign of his coming?

>When will we get a space elevator, a fully-functioning AI avatar and gynoids, genetically engineered catgirls, telomere extension and organ printing?

>When will we boldly go where no man has ever gone before?

>When will the Google-vac reverse entropy? We connected all the planets in the universe with space elevators for a universe-sized quantum brain.

Such in the days of Noah, so shall be the days of the Son of Man. In the end, the "stones" will cry out.

Man gets further into the hopes of science and technology, but becomes more deadened to sin.

The first thing to do is watch and pray. The second thing to do is to eagerly await his coming within this life but if you don't have that much time left in this life, eagerly await meeting Jesus in Heaven.

What about something big like the river Nile drying up OP?

Read Isaiah 19 then read

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/death_of_the_nile

> The world's longest river is sick - and getting sicker. Booming populations have dirtied and drained it, while climate change threatens to cut its flow. And some fear that competition over its dwindling waters could trigger a regional conflict.

Isaiah 19

The waters of the river will dry up,

and the riverbed will be parched and dry.

6 The canals will stink;

the streams of Egypt will dwindle and dry up.

The reeds and rushes will wither,

7 also the plants along the Nile,

at the mouth of the river.

Every sown field along the Nile

will become parched, will blow away and be no more.

8 The fishermen will groan and lament,

all who cast hooks into the Nile;

those who throw nets on the water

will pine away.

9 Those who work with combed flax will despair,

the weavers of fine linen will lose hope.

10 The workers in cloth will be dejected,

and all the wage earners will be sick at heart.

The article literally has quotes from fishermen who are groaning and lamenting.

Also nothing big has happened? Jesus is easily the most influential person on the planet ever. He has inspired a world wide movement of love and reconciliation with God which although has become rotten on the west, shows no sign of slowing down in other parts of the world. No big things? There have been more martyrs in the last century than in all previous centuries combined. Listen to the words of our Lord:

> This message of the kingdom will be preached to all nations, then the end will come.

Jesus will return when the church fulfills its mission. We could have done it by now but have been too busy with our own inward political affairs. See the mess in Ukraine. The church is the reason he has not yet returned but the lord will fulfill his purposes for the church. The message will be preached to all nations. What are you going to do with your life OP? Arguably the greatest work God has ever done on this earth outside of the resurrection of christ, is the spreading of the gospel to all peoples AND WE GET TO BE A PART OF THAT. Exciting times

>>740302

Forget about math, a better example I believe to help explain the Trinity would be the following:

We all experience plurality in singularity. We are living in a three dimensional world, but we experience it in a "singular" fashion. Let us expound this.

In three dimensions, we have the x-axis, the y-axis, and the z-axis. Take each each person in the Trinity to be one of these axes. Now, the X-axis is NOT the Y-axis and vice versa, the Z-axis is NOT the X-axis, and vice versa, and the Z-axis is NOT the Y-axis, and vice versa. HOWEVER, they all share this same "dimensional essence", with each axis being distinguishable and recognizable from the other. The same applies to the Trinity.

>>740302

This only holds if the equality in this system is transitiv. There are many and useful mathematical systems, with non-transitive relations.

>what is the vision of St. Stephen in the Book of Acts

READ YOUR BIBLE

>>742020

I see what you mean, but in a way your point highlights why the question itself is redundant.

What argument is there to be made beyond that fact then? If what I said is correct, then it's a matter of trusting God to carry out His will in the time-frame that He sees fit. Whether it's allowing all souls who will be saved to receive salvation, or allowing evil to come to it's full potential on the earth in order to then destroy it forever, God is doing the right thing. There isn't a black-and-white answer as to why the end hasn't come yet, there's no reason a mortal should be able to tell specifically why God has chosen not to bring about the apocalypse yet, and all the events that should precede it.

You're right when you say it's a mystery to us, we don't know why and we don't need to know why, and the Bible says that nobody knows the hour, so we know that we will never understand why unless it is revealed to us in Heaven.

>>740296

When we say that the Son is not the Father we refer to them being different persons. When we say they are the same God we refer to their same nature and operation, in which the Father does nothing without the Son or the HS, etc etc. So the Father/Son/HS nodes represents one kind of thing (persons) while the God node is another kind of thing(nature, operation). Consequently, the edges that connect them, even if using similar words (is/is not) have different nature. This doesn't happen in mathematical formulas, where your variables and numbers have the same nature, as well as the "=" symbols that relate them.

>>740296

Understanding it isn’t the point. The trinity is supposed to humble you, since God can do all things, even impossible things, and thus he can be three persons while being one being. The same with how Jesus has two natures yet is one person.

>>744394

Reported for blasphemy.