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Reformed theology is bad and can't be defended

what's the problem; God has always held a standard before fallen men to which they must comply

this goes all the way back to Cain being ordered to rule over the Sin which is crouching at his door, then latterly the people of Israel become representative of God's standard through the Law; being marked as a peculiar people, and set apart as a witness to the world around them - provisions being made in the Law for gentiles to become Jews - and we see the great kings of the pagans nations such as Nebuchadnezzar and Cyrus being addressed and remonstrated with by God to change their ways: again, His Holy standard being the rule they must submit to

is it then any wonder that the same God who presents Himself in the Old Testament to all men as demanding their obedience, continues to demand it in the New Testament, especially when we know that both the testimony of the Heavens which declare His glory and the witness of man's conscience are universally understood, leaving no-one with an excuse before the Judgement Seat

Paul certainly understood this, since all of his sermons were drawn from his knowledge of the Tanakh; and we can see him elaborate on this theme in the book sent to the Roman church, where from chapter one he speaks to men deliberately suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and being given over by God to fallen depraved minds which become so foolish as to even practice same sex relationships, this folly of denying God's natural order being a mark of the judgement against them

so OP, what we have here is the consistent message of God to man throughout recorded history: Repent

>>738416

How can God command all to repent when only some are given the grace so to do? Is not God's sovereignty the whole basis of reformed theology? Can God command something in a way his command is not fulfilled in your systemic?

>>738458

>only some are given the grace

My friend everyone is given grace. It is freely flowing. You have, however, to accept it.

>>738458

>How can God command all to repent when only some are given the grace so to do?

oh, now i see what you're driving at

well first off, we could equally ask the question as 'how can God command all to repent when none are capable of it, by nature of their fallen spiritually dead humanity' couldn't we?

i mean, you understand that's part and parcel of the Reformed position; that man is Totally Depraved and 'dead in his sin', thus he is unable to turn from His sin except that God directly intervene in a life and regenerate or resurrect that dead soul to life, enabling it to both repent and believe, yes?

do you agree with the Biblical description of mankind that we are all by nature and intent, wicked, having no virtues or characteristics that warrant our saving?

if so, there's a follow-up question which might go some way to answering your objections to the Reformed position on God's Sovereignty, but if not; then you'll have to explain what's so great about man that he's entitled to be saved from the Infinite Wrath that God has for unrepentant creations that rebel against Him

>>738467

i thought that according to reformed theology since we are all corrupt no one is capable of choosing salvation unless god makes him choose it.

>>738477

yeah, i don't think that dude's Reformed

gracious dubz btw

>>738359

>Reformed theology is bad and can't be defended

More like your ignorance.

Reformed theology clearly teaches as the bible commends to do works and to repent, the stupidity people fall into is that said works and repentance is going to get anyone into the kingdom, which is holy, even when sprinkled with earthly sacraments. There's nothing we can to get there.

Grace is not like a crutch for the disabled or like a loan for a debt that needs to be repaid. Its an inheritance in that either you have it or you do not. Certainly our old ways will be forced to adapt to the holiest culture in existence, but the Spirit, Who comforts His children; will metamorphose us into the imagine of the Son, for the glory of the Father, as promised.

Only God by His mercy allows the disgusting human beings to be free from punishment, which is all of our default position. And into His family. All he asks from us is faith

>>738539

> Reformed theology clearly teaches as the bible commends to do works and to repent, the stupidity people fall into is that said works and repentance is going to get anyone into the kingdom, which is holy, even when sprinkled with earthly sacraments. There's nothing we can to get there.

The Bible says over and over that repenting and believing is the ticket in.

>>738277

I think it means God now commands all people everywhere to repent

>>738468

>if so, there's a follow-up question which might go some way to answering your objections to the Reformed position on God's Sovereignty, but if not; then you'll have to explain what's so great about man that he's entitled to be saved from the Infinite Wrath that God has for unrepentant creations that rebel against Him

Gen 1 31

Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Gen 22

"I swear by myself, declares the LORD,

that because you acted as you did

in not withholding from me your beloved son,

I will bless you abundantly

and make your descendants as countless

as the stars of the sky and the sands of the seashore;

your descendants shall take possession

of the gates of their enemies,

and in your descendants all the nations of the earth shall find blessing—

all this because you obeyed my command."

Nm 21

7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, “We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord and against you; pray to the Lord that He take away the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people.

8 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and it shall be that everyone who is bitten, when he looks at it, shall live.” 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Is 54

For a brief moment I abandoned you,

but with great tenderness I will take you back.

In an outburst of wrath, for a moment

I hid my face from you;

but with enduring love I take pity on you,

says the LORD, your redeemer.

This is for me like the days of Noah,

when I swore that the waters of Noah

should never again deluge the earth;

so I have sworn not to be angry with you,

or to rebuke you.

Though the mountains leave their place

and the hills be shaken,

my love shall never leave you

nor my covenant of peace be shaken,

says the LORD, who has mercy on you.

Is 55

Ho! Everyone who thirsts,

Come to the waters;

And you who have no money,

Come, buy and eat.

Yes, come, buy wine and milk

Without money and without price.

2 Why do you [a]spend money for what is not bread,

And your wages for what does not satisfy?

Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,

And let your soul delight itself in abundance.

3 Incline your ear, and come to Me.

Hear, and your soul shall live;

And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—

The sure mercies of David.

It's very hard to get to a motivation of God's glory only reading the Bible on its own terms.

>>738277

>created with free will

>be stained by First mans transgression and therefore inherently am driven to and enjoy sinning

>due to Gods lawful nature he will not violate aspects of his previous determinations or creation

<"I want you and all of your kind to repent,"

Tell me OP, what did God mean by this?

>>739065

That's a non-Calvinist read though