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The mind is a part of the soul, and the brain is the point of interaction between the soul and the body.

Threaded reminder not to confuse Psyche/Nephesh and Pneuma/Ruach.

DeCarte seemed to think these were one and the same.

NDE's, out of body experiences, and supernatural experiences of saints demonstrate that soul can separate from body, and that it even has senses like smell, touch, sight etc. There isn't exactly any kind of strict Cartesian dualism. According to the teachings of the Church Fathers, for example, angels are incorporeal compared to us but corporeal and material compared to God who is the only truly incorporeal being.

>>738237

*Threadly reminder

>>738229

What does it mean to be the point of interaction? Does that mean that if you change the brain you change the soul?

>>738238

What implication does that have for the afterlife? Does that mean that mean that at death we "soul-sleep" or does it mean that there is some sort of afterlife?

>>738257

I think only one Church Father taught soul sleep, everyone else rejected that theory. I will have to look up who it was later, if you want. There is an afterlife. The subject is quite complex, however.

>>738261

Please take as much time as you need, I'm really trying to understand this topic as much as I can. I'm probably gonna write something about it as well.

>>738228

The traditional, Thomistic definition (which, when you look at it and its conclusions, makes a lot of sense and escapes several problems that more modern ways of thinking about the soul, like the Cartesian kind of dualism, face) is that "soul" is the hylemorphic form of any living thing.

>>738264

Just got off work (night shift), pretty sleepy now, might elaborate a little tomorrow

Maybe the conscious and the unconscious.

I can't recommend enough Ed Feser's book 'The Last Superstition' for an introduction to the soul & mind. He also has an introductory book apparently about Philosophy of mind bu I haven't read it.

>>738274

What does that even mean, for the soul to be hylemorphic? Can you please explain what this means in more detail?

>>738694

The following link offers a good summary along with its modern context. Important to note: the so-called interaction problem is a consequence of the early moderns' agenda to banish formal and final causation as real aspects of reality on purely ideologically motivated grounds:

https://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2008/10/interaction-problem.html

>>738694

The book mentioned here >>738304 is also a must-read.

The mind is a virtual interface created by the our body. It is entirely the result of the physical world.

The soul is the divine spark within us, the very essence, the spirit that God breathed into men when he created him. Our soul is the part of us that really matters.

Personality, senses, memories, desires are all products of the body and they will die when you die, only the Soul will return to God

>>738790

>Personality, senses, memories, desires are all products of the body and they will die when you die, only the Soul will return to God

This smells like Eastern religion, and completely contrary to Bibical accounts of the afterlife.