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A distinct line needs to be drawn between psychology, which is unquestionably a legitimate science, and therapy, which is the application of said knowledge. Psychology as a science purely deals with experimentation and empirical data, yet as the quite literal study of the soul, it is simply impossible to define it, the epitome of the immaterial and subjective aspect of the world, in materialistic and objective terms, at least not in it's entirety. Psychology cannot exist in a vaccum, and psychologists are unable to use it alone to paint a picture of the divine animal; something needs to fill in the gap and that is, as we all know, where the field goes to hell.

>>736393

>DSM

What's in and what's out is political, not scientific, yes

>Freud as a man of poor character

wasn't he also a coke addict iirc?

>>736385

Even psychologists know that what they do isn't a science because the human condition cannot be quantified. The pharmacology behind medications, however, is a science.

I went to see a phsyc/counsellor/therapist person recently (second session of four) and have to say it kinda seems BS.

On the one hand he made perfect sense with the main thrust of their thing being 'stop wasting your life and just get on with it' (it being living your life according to your stated values and to reach your goals) but on the other he couldn't care less about the disjunct i was finding between that motivational prompt and the meaninglessness/purposelessness of an existence without God/objective morality and he kept saying to forget about those questions and just pretend those questions/problems don't exist (my paraphrase not his words).

All they're concerned with is relieving a tension that is causing aunguish between how a person is acting and how that person feels about how they're acting, their behaviour and their values. When these conflict the results mean psychologists etc. can get involved. FWIW it seems it could be arranged in one of two ways, either:

>someone is engaging in behaviour which causes negative emotions, concience telling you behaviour is wrong, go to phsyc to find out what's triggering behaviours under the deep (what the behaviour is it a symptom of), what is triggering the emotions, how to stop so behaviour can be in line with your concience and morals, general will for your life direction etc.

or

>someone is engaging in behaviour which causes negative emotions, concience telling you behaviour is wrong, go to phsyc to find out what's triggering the negative emotions, find out how to stop associating behaviour with the emotion and seek to throw off concience, shame, guilt, negative emotions etc, and instead how to accept, own and celebrate behaviour resulting in a creation of a new set of morals or moral standard for you to live by and continue desired behaviour without negative emotions

I assume the former is more common however I'm also pretty certain that at the end of the day a secular therapist is obliged to acknowledge that the latter is valid (so long as the behaiour is not unlawful or at risk of putting people in danger). Where the person says ' these are my values and this is my 'problem' behaviours - there is a conflict between them, my behaviour is making me unhappy because of my morality and expectations - please help me re-align my expectations and my values so I can continue the behaviour' you know that this is not compatible with Christianity.

>>736390

>Psychology

>Science

No.

t.psychologist

>>736393

>I would often insert my religious views upon people

That is a good thing if you are a Christian

Decent thread to ask this in I suppose. I'm going to university right now for psychology. Thing is, I actually don't know that I want to do this anymore but I feel like God is telling me to do it. All this backwards, non-Christian crap they tout as objective fact pisses me off, and I don't want to have to hear their lies for an upwards of four years since I would need to get a PhD to make a career of it. I'm similar to >>736393 in that I'm mostly interested in helping people out with their mental issues, but I don't know if I'm going about it the right way. I've been praying and asking for guidance, but any advice beyond that?

>>736385

I think it starts off as science since the behavior of humans can be predicted based on the fact that human nature is the same. But overtime it got infiltrated by the commies and satanists and became what we have today. Same with the other "social sciences" like sociology and some branches of philosophy

>>736808

I had a christian therapist.

He learned psychology and got a PhD in it, but then he also learned theology.

Now be careful because in many countries it is illegal for a psychologist to introduce religious elements into therapy, including my own. I love my therapist because he helped me overcome one of my greatest sinful desires without giving into it.

So in my opinion get a PhD if you can, because you kinda need to have one in order to be taken seriously as a therapist, but you should be very critical of everything they teach you and just filter out the garbage and put healthy christian solutions in it's place. I suggest you study meditation and vedic philosophy too. They are very useful tools.

Modern Psychology is Jewish nonsense. Actual psychology is studied by how the soul and and mind reacts to the world, flesh and spirits (Angels and Demons). Carmelites have much better understanding of (((Psychology))) than any satanic jew.

Also (((mental illness))) is largely caused by demons.

>>736385

It's nothing but atheists rejecting the idea of anything immaterial while also trying to explain immaterial things like the nous, word and spirit of man. Much like a blind man it can stumble onto something real out in the world, and use it's hands to learn a few things about about the subject. However the conclusions reached by it will often be flawed or outright wrong due to a lack of a comprehensive world view.

>>737012

>the nous, word and spirit of man.

What are those?

It could be a real science but you know that there's something off about it when it contradicts Christianity.

Looks like a cop-out argument but its true, and I fear many Christians would be afraid of following my line of thought.

While you're here, grab this for other people: https://web.archive.org/web/20180828132850/https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/568630/

Freudian psychology is a trick to push degeneracy, like Edward Bernays did.

Jungianism appears to be better, but it's more of the same. It's full of Gnostic dualism like Jordan Peterson always talks about order and chaos. And how Christ and anti-Christ are two sides of the same coin in a weird ying yang amalgamation.

Anything besides those two is shunned in academia, you'll get nowhere. If you're planning on doing a bachelor, only do it if you want celibacy, poverty, and perhaps becoming a priest.

>>737016

http://www.saintsophiadc.com/2015/10/nous/

>>737032

I've been aiming for an associates (med assistant), but I'm REALLY tempted to get a bachelor's degree in case I fully decide I want to be a priest