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Prostitution isn't bad. Hosea even married a hooker.

>>732362

I feel sorry that you're going to have to stand before judgement defending something as silly as that. Just because they both are related to sex doesn't mean both are sin. This isn't even a good cover of false equivalence. It's just naked, out there to plainly look bad.

You can avoid the embarrassment by simply repenting. Unlike you, God is merciful.

There are some negative sides, but basically I agree with you. It's at least not as bad as some of the more hysterical people here tend to claim it is.

once upon a time I would've disagreed but now I'm marrying a black woman so who am I to judge

>>732416

For the record, I wouldn't marry a black woman, but not because I'm racist. Black people just smell really bad. You gotta like the way your partner smells, otherwise the relationship could never work.

>>732412

>Perfectly inerrant opinions are necessary for salvation

Even if we overlook how stupid your irrational love for miscegenation is, there's not much worry of being condemned to hellfire for disagreeing with such a thing, moron. Unlike you, God isn't a petulant idiot.

>>732426

There's still time to turn back, just try to think clearly for a minute

>>732337

The point of this shit thread? I remember arguing against this "point" few weeks back.

Enjoy your bait circlejerk on how virtuous you racemix.

>>732581

*you are if you racemix

>>733117

Well, Jews weren't really "Jews" to start with themselves. Abraham was Sumerian. The whole point of God calling him out of Ur was to create a breakaway civilization strictly through theology - of knowing the One True God. And through him, all nations would be blessed (via Jesus, as our faith teaches us). Being part of this family has nothing to do with race but faith.

The minute Jews focused on race, they got shot down:

"And do not think you can say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father.' I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham." - Matt 3:9

That was the value of physical race in John the Baptist's words. No better than a rock. lol

>>732412

>your pity matters

>"aww sweeite, you are so sad if you don't agree with my mainstream opinion"

>"God is sooo on my side on this, tee-hee"

>"the final judgement is like a court hearing, and big daddy heavenly government supports my earthly SJW ideas, I happen to know this because God told me so, and I will be on the jury and I will so vote against you"

We'll see if you go to heaven or not. I'm pretty sure your race-politics aren't going to figure into it either way, and no, racism isn't a sin. Jesus himself made some very controversial statements.

>>733142

Racism in its typical modern definition -that is, considering yourself or any other group of God’s children superior to another by virtue of birth is a cardinal sin and a mortal one if you go so far as to hate to the point of wishing harm. Wriggle around it all you want, but you’re sinning if you adhere to that sort of racism.

That said, racemixing for nothing other than to mix is no better. If the significant other god provides as your spouse in this life happens to be of a different race, there is nothing wrong with that. It’s the intentional seeking of other races for status or politics that is wrong.

>>732426

Kek

Marrying a mentally disabled woman isn't a sin either.

>>733169

Back that up with scripture or gtfo.

>>733169

>Racism in its typical modern definition

Racism itself is a bullshit social construct to explain racial consciousness. It began with a marxist and I won't even bother with modern definitions.

>>733198

>muh pol boogieman

How new are you? This place has decried racemixing degeneracy for a long time.

>>732337

>Andersonites being heretics as usual

Mods really need to start banning you guys.

Meanwhile, Tobit 4:12 is actually in the Bible even if you won't believe it.

Racemixing isn't a sin in and out of itself, but it's still in general a bad idea, and can probably be traced to sins of sloth (not bothering to research why racemixing is a bad idea) and vanity (wanting to ruin your future children's lives because of muh asian cummies).

>>733216

Someone did their homework.

>>733218

^This here. Fetishization leads to marriages based solely on physical attraction, and it’s unintended consequences that can make a marriage sinful. Not to say that any interracial marriage is automatically sinful; the mainstream media is pushing fetishization, not love.

>>733219

Thank you.

>>733216

Just curious anon so where do the Asians fit in? Like east asians

>>732337

Race mixing isn't bad if it's a case or two out of thousands and millions. But telling every blonde women to mix with black dindus through propaganda is going to have dire consequences in society. It's not just about the changing of the offspring race but also about who's going to marry white men now? Asian women? What about asian men? And so forth. It causes a disturbance in society

>>733169

this

>>732362

What the… That's a false equivocation. In fact you've just proven that you have a low iq and reading comprehension. With Moses and the black woman their marriage was seen as ok in the eyes of God, but their parents not accepting it they were punished. Hosea marrying a prostitute doesn't make prostitution ok. That's not even the focal point of the story.

>>732563

>Perfectly inerrant opinions are necessary for salvation

Yeah, when someone proves you wrong say it's their opinion, they'll have no comeback.

>>732435

You're racist.

>>733272

Well, maybe only a little racist. I think being racist in moderation is ok.

>>733212

>Meanwhile, Tobit 4:12 is actually in the Bible even if you won't believe it.

"Strange wives" is a theological phrase. And if you think it's merely about race, then you burn your own self..and just about every one you'll ever know or love. Because you are not likely a Jew nor was your mother not likely one.

And even if you were a Jew, someone like John would still say you are filthy. That was the whole point of his Baptism. It was originally a ritual for Gentiles who wanted to convert and be grafted into Israel. Then John came and said the whole world was a mess and must be prepared for the Messiah.. that even Jews needed to be cleansed. And any claim to being immune to "strangeness" or part of some special race meant nothing to him ("God can raise children of Abraham from these stones."). Get it through your head. The greatest saint whoever lived even says claims to race is equal to dust and stones.

And this applies even more so in Jesus' baptism. You must be "born from above" (John 3:3). Christians are called to be "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light" (1 Pet 2:9). If you think this is about our petty difference on Earth, you are still lost and can't even deduce a shred of the playing field God is working on. "The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with those who are born of Spirit." (John 3:8).

Defy this all you like, but know you'd be rejecting even the Gerber's Baby Food version of the Gospel. "For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food" (Heb 5:12).

I pray that you actually wake up.. and maybe one day have the joy of an actual dinner.

>>733232

This.

>>733270

>Moses and the black woman

She wasn't black. Look at >>733216

>>733271

I mean, it is an opinion. And a wrong one at that. Race mixing at best, is neutral. And that requires that you ignore all the very well documented drawbacks that come with it. (citations are available all over the interwebs)

Now whether it is a SIN, is what is important and the Bible implies it being not okay.

What you guys are doing here is that you try to chip away at a bit of ambiguity to create an entrance to what you want to be true.

>>733272

Ok, lol.

>>733281

>And even if you were a Jew, someone like John would still say you are filthy. That was the whole point of his Baptism. It was originally a ritual for Gentiles who wanted to convert and be grafted into Israel. Then John came and said the whole world was a mess and must be prepared for the Messiah.. that even Jews needed to be cleansed. And any claim to being immune to "strangeness" or part of some special race meant nothing to him ("God can raise children of Abraham from these stones."). Get it through your head. The greatest saint whoever lived even says claims to race is equal to dust and stones.

Back this up with scripture please.

>(John 3:3)

Nothing to do with race.

>1 Pet 2:9

Funny, but I don't see the word "race" here. What kiked translation are you using?

>If you think this is about our petty difference on Earth, you are still lost and can't even deduce a shred of the playing field

Oh the arrogance. The very same place you quoted points out that you are wrong.

1 Pet 2:4

"To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,"

It IS about our differences. Those who reject God and those who reject the world are at an impasse. And there is nothing more worldly than picking an exotic wife to signal that you are a not racist.

>I pray that you actually wake up

Sure, thanks, I hope you wake up to understand that racism isn't a sin the same way it's not a sin to follow your grandma's wedding cake recipe to the letter.

If you wanna mix, it's your choice, but I honestly couldn't recommend in good conscience that you go for it.

To be with a different race always, always has a component of sexual fetishization, leading to fornication, and lust, which is so very easy to confuse with true love and affection.

>>733216

Damn, thank God I'm here otherwise you would have contaminated this board with you satanic nationalistic racist bullcrap.

So, hire argument is that the cushite woman was actually a midianite and not in fact a black woman. You don't give a scriptural reason for this interpretation but rather give some geography and your own speculation on what you think cushite means. I'll refute your entire argument.

Ok, there are 3 reasons we know it was a black woman. Reason number one word used here is (כּוּשִׁי, Kushi, which means a Cushite, or descendant of Cus according to strongs exhaustive concordance.

2. We know by the context that race was the issue. This is seen I the following verses in 10 Miriam is cursed with a skin disease of leprosy. Now, leprosy is an umbrella term for a set of skin diseases but here we see it being defined:

<When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous.

Numbers 12:10

The leprosy that Miriam received was the type that caused the skin to turn white. This has caused a lot of commentators to conclude that her son was ironic considering the type of sin that was committed, one of race. AnD because she valued her skin so much and hated black skin she was cursed with the white skinned she loved so much.

Lastly, we know that it was definitely a black woman and this was a common interpretation at the time because we even have Josephus commenting on this woman. According to Josephus, the lady was a Cushite princess of Kingdom of Kushite woman whom me thought was named tharbis. We don't know where he got the idea that it was a princess from but this shows us the earliest comment on the identity of the woman Moses married and even Josephus believed it to be a black lady.

>>733297

I hope this answers your question as well.

>>733297

>I mean, it is an opinion.

Yes, racemixing is neutral. I never once said you have to race mix you dumb idiot. Stop putting words in my mouth. You're a self confessed racists and not a Christian. You will gladly go against the bible and God's word just to stick to you demonic ideology of nationalism. Imagine you have a child and he grows up to marry outside his or her race would you be angry at him and rebuke the act? What are you gonna say to God when you stand before Him and have to answer for this? Are you gonna bring up stats to God? Are you gonna redpill God? You will be cast in to the eternal fire with your beliefs. God is my God before my country and I'm a Christian first before anything else and don't care who my kids marry as long as they're good Christians.

>>733277

Read this: >>733325

>>733326

How is that relevant to me? I'm not against race mixing, I just don't want to marry a black woman because they smell bad.

>>733324

>>733325

>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>RACISM IS A SIN EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T BACK IT UP WITH SCRIPTURE

>YOU WILL ALL GO TO HELL YOU EVIL SATANIC NATIONALISTS REEEEEE

>NATIONALISM IS EVIL REEEEEEEEE

>I WILL TOTALLY IGNORE Acts 17:26

>Yes, racemixing is neutral.

Racemixing is neutral at best if we overlook all the context of the Bible and every single warning against it, and if we deny the scientific proof that we have for it's disadvantages, and if we close our eyes to geography, because you know, that wouldn't ft in with your liberal agenda.

Sounds like someone here expects me to close my eyes instead of opening them.

But sure, go ahead and turn the Bible into your own makebelief little leftyglobalist cult, it's not like it was never done before. I will go back to my white wife and keep having my white kids and teach them that they should do the same.

I know that nothing, NOTHING will make you more upset than this, and quite frankly, that just makes it all better, because under all your fake sympathy and your mask of egalitarianism, all you want is the destruction of distinction and quality so that we can all be equal.

>The leprosy that Miriam received was the type that caused the skin to turn white

Nice little assertion. It's a pretty extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence.

>>733335

I'm gonna ignore everything you said and just focus on this:

>Nice little assertion. It's a pretty extraordinary claim, requiring extraordinary evidence.

Read numbers 12:10, which states:

<When the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous.

Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is your iq?

>>733334

>All black people smell bad

>I'm not racist though.

It's fine if you don't want to race mix, but don't deny being racist when you've literally just admitted to it.

>>733337

Saying all black people smell bad (they do, I mean when they sweat) is no more racist than saying all black people have dark skin.

>>733338

When they sweat huh? And I'd assume your believe white people don't smell when they sweat?

>>733345

Don't be obtuse. I mean that they have a distinctively foul odor. Though, I suspect that they probably feel that we smell really bad when we sweat.

>>733335

>No biblical evidence that racemixing is a sin provided both parties are Christian

>It’s a sin because I don’t like it

That’s not how it works. The Bible only warns against marrying pagans and non-Christians, trying to pass your blown bias as biblical authority is heretical.

Not a sin. Just destructive and disordered.

>>733324

>Damn, thank God I'm here otherwise you would have contaminated this board with you satanic nationalistic racist bullcrap.

>Satanic

Proof please? How is biblical genealogy satanic?

>Nationalistic

God told Israel to defend its borders countless times.

>Racist

How? Cushite in this finest means “In the land of Cush”. Zipporahs father Jethro is explicitly stated as being the high priest of Midian, Midian being a son of Abraham.

>>733354

>How is biblical genealogy satanic?

It's not. I'm just trying to prove that racemixing is ok biblically.

>God told Israel to defend its borders countless times.

Yes, during times of war and in fear that the foreign people will make the Israelites go after foreign gods. If you read exodus after the news left Egypt you would have known that in the wilderness Israel was mixed with some Egyptians too and other ethnic groups.

>How?

Your response doesn't even make sense. There's a leap in the logic and that's why no one agrees with you. It literally says cushite, the lxx states Ethiopian and some other translations Sudanese. Xenophanes, living in the 5-4th century bc, around the same time the lxx is dated, in Greece defines Ethiopians as this

>The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black, While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.

Does it seem like it's talking about anyone but a sub Saharan African to you? Literally, you logic can literally erase blacks from the bible if you just say any reference to Ethiopia or cush isn't black. We even know that the Ethiopians have a huge long history in Christianity and can't be ignored.

<Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots? Then also you can do good who are accustomed to do evil.

Jeremiah 13:23

Does this sound like anything but a sub Saharan African?

You're talking about the cushit being midian but even that is laughable if you read exodus then numbers. I'll tell you why if you carry on debating me.

Mixed children are ugly without proper sense of who they are. Why would you do that to them? Also by racemixing you spit on all your ancestors.If you want to do that so you can virtue signal on how "non racist you are" then go ahead but you'll bear the consequences of your blind love for miscegenation and so will all your children and their children.

I am not going to engage in shit threads as this anymore. We've had this thread like 10 times already in the last 2 months.

>>733591

>Also by racemixing you spit on all your ancestors

What if your ancestors are of different races?

Besides, nobody is arguing that fetishizing another race isn't bad. Even people arguing that race mixing isn't a sin aren't going that far.

I think racemixing is bad. I'm not the judge, though.

some biblical scholars think Miriam calling Moses' wife a "Cushite" was actually a bit of a slur, it's up in the air whether or not she was actually "black", as we would understand it

side note: Miriam even got leprosy and turned "ash white" for a week!

Also I think racemixing is selfish and cruel to the offspring. Even the best results have lifelong problems.

>>733357

>It's not. I'm just trying to prove that racemixing is ok biblically.

Yeah, but you are going about it in the dumbest way. Exceptions don't disprove rules. If God allows something to Moses, it doesn't mean that it's okay for you to do it as well.

If God chooses someone to transcend and surpass limitations, that is because he marked that person for a special purpose, not because it's suddenly "lol it's ok nao".

Just think of Joan of Arc. Was she supposed to be a warrior? Was she supposed to be a prophet? No. God chose her for a special purpose so she was allowed to transcend the limitations of her sex.

Same goes for racemixing. It's an exceptional thing that shouldn't be done just because you feel like it. That is the same rebellious attitude that feminists have because they just want to be extra special. God didn't create the different nations of man to see them destroyed by intermixing.

>>733337

>hen the cloud removed from over the tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, like snow. And Aaron turned toward Miriam, and behold, she was leprous.

I'm sorry but that is ridicolous. "like snow" looks distinct on white skin too. If this is your strongest argument, you're done. Unless you can find something that explicitly states that she had black skin, you have absolutely nothing.

Racemixing is not good for you or your children.

If you are going to go ahead with it, do it at your own peril, but take responsibility for what you did instead of demanding everyone and even the Bible to conform to you.

>>733649

>it’s an “I want to worship my race and the Bible really means what I mean and not what it says” episode

>>733651

>I want to worship my idol of freedom and equality and my mask is slipping, let me quickly strawman my opposition by worshipping their nation, so that I look better in comparison.

Sorry, but you are not any better than the people you accuse of. Your approach to the Bible lacks any and all humility. You should fear God, because that's the beginning of wisdom. You shouldn't make presumptions just because you feel like it.

Racemixing is never affirmed in the Bible.

Nationhood is.

>>733653

>it’s a “you must be an enemy of Christ because you don’t bear false witness to the Bible itself despite already previously static you disagree with the fetishization of race mixing.

I guarantee you won’t posit race mixing is a sin to your priest and have him agree with you, nor will you convince him not to marry any couples that don’t pass your racial purity litmus. Nationhood and race aren’t the same thing.

>>733656

>sin

>wrong

Not the same thing, even though they often overlap.

>>733649

Well, one think I can say for certain is that I've won this argument. Looking at the nature of your response I don't think it's worth responding to your post. Anyone looking at your comment knows the reply you just gave is bullshit. I don't you even believe the shit you just said. I throwing my perals to swines as this point. God bless him anon.

>Unless you can find something that explicitly states that she had black skin, you have absolutely nothing.

The Ethiopian woman wasn't the one who is cursed in vs 10. It's Miriam who was cursed and no, she wasn't black but the woman whom Moses had married was.

Again, low reading comprehension and I don't really respect you as a intellectual opponent. I hope the best for you. Bye

>>732337

>Mutt worshiping isn't bad

>Be on your guard, son, against every kind of fornication, and above all, marry a woman of your own ancestral family. Do not marry a foreign woman, one who is not of your father’s tribe, because we are descendants of the prophets, who were the first to speak the truth. Noah prophesied first, then Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our ancestors from the beginning of time. Son, remember that all of them took wives from among their own kindred and were blessed in their children, and that their posterity would inherit the land. Therefore, son, love your kindred. Do not act arrogantly toward any of them, the sons and daughters of your people, by refusing to take a wife for yourself from among them. For in arrogance there is ruin and great instability. In idleness there is loss and dire poverty, for idleness is the mother of famine.

- Tobit 4:12-13 (NABRE)

>>733786

>I don't really respect you

That doesn't make you right tho.

>I've won this argument

You certainly act like it.

>the woman whom Moses had married was.

Scriptural proof? All I see is projection :)

>>733656

>I guarantee you won’t posit race mixing is a sin to your priest and have him agree with you

Yeah well my priest can be wrong. I also live in an ethnically homogenous area, thank God. Also, my priest would never tell me that race-mixing is okay either.

>nor will you convince him not to marry any couples that don’t pass your racial purity litmus

So? Are you trying to rub the current social mores in my face now? Dude, I don't know if you noticed, but christians who actually take it seriously are pretty used to the world being utter shite by now. You can't hurt me with this.

I'm very well aware that race-mixing is the new trend now. But that is all it is. A trend. A fashion statement. It's vanity. And this goes for 99.999% percent of race-mixed couples.

>Nationhood and race aren’t the same thing.

It is in Europe and Africa, my man. It is in China, and it pretty much is in Japan and Israel.

Sorry.

>>733198

Actually I was just banned from /leftypol/ all because of this comment I made:

“You shouldn’t tell people to kill themselves. I’ve come to learn that things I was told about the Holocaust were definitely fabricated. The NDSAP did do good things too. Well I don’t know how I’m supposed to feel because I learned recently that Adolf Hitler ordered the Wehrmacht to rescue Germans living in Russia and my ancestors were Germans from Russia. After the war the allies sent them back to the Russian gulags to starve to death. I could never hate nazis you see.”

>>733198

Oh and the ban never expires - in other words, it’s forever

Why does this WTP thing always come up on this board? I don’t think racemixing is the greatest thing either but wow this comes up a whole lot.

I don't think it's inherently sinful. There are multiple saints of mixed descent.

The sinfulness could come from modern western cunts that do it out of a fetishization of a race and to spite other males of a specific ethnicity.

In the patriarchal context of the OT however it would appear that strict endogamy should be an expected norm for the likes of the priestly caste but men and kings taking up foreign and exotic wives appears to also be tolerated at times.

>>734578

>It's the board

>not the culture of imageboard sites such as the one it's in

It's reminiscent of a racial topic debate commonly had.

>>733270

>That's a false equivocation

No it's not.

Only because something happens, doesn't mean that it's by definition, good.

Specific circumstances often play a part in why it's okay to do something when otherwise it wouldn't be okay.

Plus there is no scriptural proof about Moses's wife actually being black.

>>733257

That part where Ashkenaz-Japan, Togarmah-E.Siberia,Korea is utter tosh. Japan is mix of yayoi people who lived in southern part of korean peninsula, (who probably moved there through Yellow Sea when it was a land) and Ainu natives of Japanese islands - haplogroup D proto asians. (who knows how and when they got there. they have same roots as andamanese and tibetans) Koreans are mix of korean speaking people from northern manchuria. and those aforementioned yayoi people. It also says Magog are China-Manchu-Korea-Mongolia. But Khitans and Koreans have distinct and separate haplogroup and language group, etc. If you say that Ashkenaz are Ainu, it may work out, but no one knows the roots of those Haplogroup D proto Asian people. What an utter tosh this whole graphics is.

I’m Mediterranean and I’m going to try and stick to my “flock “; but if God will send a woman in my life right for me, the ethnicity would be the least of my concerns, as long has she has God in her heart and is willing to have a family rooted in Christian values and the culture and traditions of my people.

I’m part mixed anyway (got Slavic, Germanic and some Brazilian blood in me), and South America did work when it was an empire. Not something to do on a whim, just like marriage itself.

You guys might want to read this.

Interracial Marriage and Church Doctrine

https://www.rusjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Interrace.pdf

exerpts

>This command not to marry into another race was the same one given by Abraham concerning Isaac, where he told his son to find his wife in his country and among his kindred (his own kind). Famously, Deuteronomy 32:8 teaches that God created and separated the nations and races.

>It is no accident that “adultery” and “adulterate” are related words. To commit adultery, among other things, is to mix that which should not be mixed. In Greek, the term is moichozeuktikos, which is defined as “of or relating to an adulterous marriage.” The fathers saw some marriages as adulterous. How could that be? A Patristic Greek Lexicon by G.W. H. Lampe (1961) shows that some of the early Patristic writers spoke of adulterous marriages as those based on improper mixing

>There is no place in the Old Testament or the New that commands people mix races or ethnic groups. It is occasionally argued that Moses married an “Ethiopian.” This would therefore be an example of racial mixing blessed by God. The problems with this are at many levels. To assume that Cush was racially identical today as it was thousands and thousands of years ago might be acceptable for a university professor, but not for a rational person. Ethiopians are not “black,” but Semitic. Portraits of ancient rulers there show light skin. Modern textbooks have deliberately darkened them. The Greek saints, including St. Frumentios, that converted the nation did not require a translator. Cushites spoke Greek. They were not black.

>>734937

>things didn't exist before there was a word for it

Okie dokie

>>735138

I actually had a debate about that in my philosophy class. People were claiming gravity didn't exist until Newton came up with the concept. I was literally the only one defending the other position. It was sad.

>>735142

I'm also wondering why Trotsky would create an English word.

>>735138

This.

>What, you think there's not an objective hierarchy of worthiness decided by God?

>What are you, some sort of commie?

It's such a stupid concept. The strategy of trying to subvert a culture with guilt is old and wrong, but considering yourself fit to judge every individual's position on the totem pole by their race is equally wrong.

It's odd that /christian/ can simultaneously posit that a Christian marriage can be sinful because it's interracial and for no other reason and also lament the apparent decline of social relevance it brings. Arbitrarily qualifying who is "really" following Christianity through the lens of race, even when nationality/culture/(most importantly) faith are the same really shows how far down the race worship rabbit hole some posters have gone.

>it's just a ploy to destroy this culture/nation/etc!

Is a post that keeps going around, but I already explained in >>733599 that race-mixing for fetishistic or political purposes is wrong. People on this board respond as if the idea that there's a person of their race marrying a person of another race is a direct affront to them/their family.

>>735147

>race-mixing for fetishistic or political purposes is wrong

Wait, so are you admitting that race-mixing can be wrong? Would you be willing to also admit that in our current culture, race-mixing, as it is propagated by commercials, politics and corporations is wrong because it primarily aims to destroy a certain part of our demographics, by inciting the desires for exotic fornication and the idolatry of diversity instead of preaching actual love for another human being?

>>735156

Are you willing to admit that if two people of different races marry each other because of love and in obedience to Christian faith, this is ok?

>>735162

I'm only going to answer if you answer first. After all I asked first.

>>735173

>>735162

I'm not that poster and I wouldn't have said it could be wrong if I didn't disagree with it under certain circumstances. Since the manner you describe it as would fall under political/fetishistic, I would agree that dumb diversity pairings and gross memes like BBC/BLACKED/COLONIZED/etc are stupid and obviously only exist to enforce a subconscious sexual bias.

So now you can answer >>735162

>>734937

>>735138

>>735144

>>735147

Trotsky subverted the word "racistov" and created the term that has been attached to it since 1930.

There's no literature previous to Trotsky's "The History of the Russian Revolution" that makes use of the word "racists" with the same negative connotation.

And no, no one itt can be accused of racism as defined by the Church in Mit Brennender Sorge.

>>735162

If those people followed the teachings of the Christian faith >>733831, they wouldn't even consider racemixing in the first place.

Race mixing is of this WORLD and THE WORLD HATES "racism"

See how its praised and paraded around whereas anything to the contrary is "hateful".

>>735179

You do realize that the "Christian Identity" movement is no more Christian than "Christian Scientists" or "Mormons", right? You need to rethink your position and repent before it's too late and you stand before the Creator and are asked why you cared so much about skin color.

>>735194

I'm not familiar with this "Christian Identity" movement.

>You need to rethink your position and repent

No, I don't.

Especially when those opposed to me can't even come up with a proper counter argument and always try to shame me to no avail.

>>735194

>Skin color is race

You obviously have something to prove. You not only would condemn us, but virtually all Christians as of a hundred years ago for something that isn't condemned anywhere in Christian doctrine. My guess is that you married someone of a different race or are mixed race. I will do my duty to resist the destruction of my people, and know that my true treasure is in heaven. I will treat my enemies with kindness and only destroy them if I need to. May God have mercy on us all. Perhaps you can repent when you are chased down and burned in a tire by feral refugees.

>>735194

I agree that wanting to exterminate other races, or even showing gratuitous hostility to people of other races is sinful behavior. However, what most people call "racist" nowadays is acknowledging differences between races (such a IQ and crime stats), or even acknowledging the existence of races. Do you really think that wanting to preserve demographic cohesion in your community is sinful?

>>735212

>you're not racist so you must be mixed or a mixer!

>le booogie maaaaannnnnn

Do you have an argument that you didn't learn on /pol/?

>>735194

CI is just a label, not an organised denomination. He hasn't even specified if he was one, and guess what- until the past 60 years racial beliefs were much more common until they started being condemned by liberals and clergy started giving in. Pray tell why Billy Graham and his race mixing agenda is loved but to acknowledge any sort of difference between the races is sinful??

>>735221

>if two people of different ethnicity marries, it's an "agenda"

Seriously?

>>735219

Then why the hell are you here talking about it all the time?! No one cares and most people oppose you. If you were right, Jesus said to not cast your pearls amongst the swine and to knock the dust off your sandals and leave yet here you are with not a single argument condemning us. Go back to r/Christianity plebitor and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>>735224

Yes it is! Why would someone marry someone intolerably different from themselves unless they hate themselves, are fools for an agenda, marry the first person that likes them, and or is a degenerate? You must at least admit that our society has been progressively going to the trash and this race mixing shit is parallel to it. So why is that?

>>735224

I don't know where you live but where I'm from the media, the government, religious organisations and everything else are promoting it so yes. How many white families do you see in ads? How many white couples? Why is integration forced on us?

Also, I recommend this, it is a multipart lesson and should answer anyone's questions on this subject

http://www.firstchurchoftheinternet.org/jng/Ezra.htm

>>735235

>talking about race mixing in a thread about race mixing

What was I thinking?

>>735246

I don't really notice. I'm not influenced by ads. But there is literally nothing in the Bible that says you cannot marry a believer for being a different ethnicity. It doesn't say you HAVE to, but it certainly doesn't say you can't.

>>735206

>arguments

The Bible already provides all the arguments you need. You just chose to either ignore it or subvert it.

>Be on your guard, son, against every kind of fornication, and above all, marry a woman of your own ancestral family. Do not marry a foreign woman, one who is not of your father’s tribe, because we are descendants of the prophets, who were the first to speak the truth. Noah prophesied first, then Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, our ancestors from the beginning of time. Son, remember that all of them took wives from among their own kindred and were blessed in their children, and that their posterity would inherit the land. Therefore, son, love your kindred. Do not act arrogantly toward any of them, the sons and daughters of your people, by refusing to take a wife for yourself from among them. For in arrogance there is ruin and great instability. In idleness there is loss and dire poverty, for idleness is the mother of famine.

- Tobit 4:12-13 (NABRE)

I must point out that as long as this is in the Bible, you are not going to have a clear cut case when trying to make race-mixing acceptable.

>always try to shame me to no avail

So you admit to being shameless? That is worrisome, anon, please begome gadolig/ordadogs and consult a priest.

>>735219

I'm sorry that this upsets you, anon, but the biological reality of races is very well documented by now. Now this is no reason to mistreat others, but when you have children with someone it's good to keep the possible consequences in mind. The idea that some people oppose disadvantageous pairings in entirely reasonable and in fact, moral.

>>735224

When two people of the same ethnicity marry it's also an agenda. A good agenda.

>>735249

>there is literally nothing in the Bible that says you cannot marry a believer for being a different ethnicity

>>733831

>>735253

Well, I'm not Catholic so Tobit doesn't apply.

>>735255

>I'm not a catholic, so I don't have to care about your morality

>If the Bible has something in it I don't like I'll just dump it, lol

>I'm gonna tell you what is right and wrong though

(((interesting)))

>>735256

Your brackets don't mean much since Jews recognize Tobit as canon.

>>735257

They would. Few races as anti-race mixing (their own) as jews.

>>735262

So, wait … it's ok when we do it, but not when they do it?

>>735249

The average person is influenced by ads, however. It is a propaganda force.

>>735253

>>735255

While I like Tobit, I am of the opinion it is not scripture. However, Deuteronomy 23:2, also look at secular what happened when John Hycranus force converted non Judahites and all the problems thats caused us even to this day? Spanish actions in the Americas?

>>735257

They don't actually.

>>735253

What are you even arguing against?

I presented a simple and concise example against racemixing by quoting scripture and you tell me I subverted it, somehow?

Then you quote the same passage saying it completely debunks any pro racemixing arguments?

If you have any arguments for racemixing or refutations against Tobit 4:12-13, feel free to post them.

>So you admit to being shameless?

There's no shame in standing against liars and emotional manipulators.

There is literally nothing wrong with race-mixing.

>>735253

It sound like an argument for excessive inbreeding, if nobody comes for outside the tribe you end up with parents having a common ancestry, just like jews who developed specific genetic defects. Even primitive have a form of sexual gift counter gift

>>732362

Good point.

>>736420

>marry someone from your own people

>that equals sibling/cousin marriage

Excuse me, but are you retarded?

>>735290

Scripture clearly warns against marrying outside of your ancestry.

>liars and emotional manipulators

>says the liberal

>>736513

>one single passage from Tobit

>all of scripture

You do realize that Christianity isn't a cafeteria, right? Also, that passage in Tobit wasn't spoken by the Lord to all people. It was Tobit speaking to his son Tobias.

>>736498

Matthew 19:9 "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery."

Big J allows you to divorce your wife if she is unfaithful.

Big J also is more lenient than Big G in the old testament.

Deuteronomy 22:22 "If a man is found sleeping with another man's wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die."

Big G doesn't play with that.

>>736513

>Scripture clearly warns against marrying outside of your ancestry

No need to tell me that, I'm the one who posted >>733831

>says the liberal

Are you being purposely retarded or did you just misread my posts?

>>736778

100% Yes. I used to do prayers in the prayer intention forum. The "in" crowd are insane after having them PM me for years. The few legit people left and I just do prayers for them via email now. One moderator would post under a different name and at times, remove posts that made him look bad or wrong. Amazing what you can learn by just listening to idiots ramble for years.

By the way, there was another topic where a man cheated on his wife and they all called for the wife to divorce him. It turned out after she made the whole thing up and the topic was "hidden".

>>736498

Disgusting cuckoldry.

>>736778

Yes. Read Dalrock's blog.

< There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

< For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, Rom 10:12

< Here there is no Gentile or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. Col 3:11

< For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 1Cor12:13

Racialists don't belong in Christianity. Go back to your pagan religions.

>>733212

>decried racemixing degeneracy

No, /pol/ has been on this board decrying, etc … It started as a Christian board. Now, sometimes, /pol/ comes to play

>>734937 >>735179

< #demonstrablyFalse

The word is a mere contraction, stolen via the French, of "racialist" or "racialism" terms that were in fairly wide use in the late 19th century.

So, you may politely gtfo with your invented histories.

>>739016

<nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28

Genderists don't belong in Christianity. Go back to your fundamentalism, bigot.

>>732426

This shit is why the larpagans hate us

Holy Jesus you Christians are winnie the pooh disgusting. I want to strangle a Jew, a Christian, and a Muslim to death….then lay them out under the stars and scrye through the casual just to see what ugly paths yea lead. You profess "love" but all you truly desire is the carnal flesh and mixing of races and ethnics until all decent genetics are wiped out. Modern Christians are the Sons Of Moloch.

>>739035

Yyeah everyobe race mix these days even poop does since the begining with Asians. Most of the christians here disagree anyways.

>>739029

LARPagans hate us because they are all jews.

What is this thread even….

>>739035

True

Are there any passages in the Bible condemning interracial marriage that isn't directed at jews? There is worldwide condemnation for other things like sexual perversion, murder, etc. God needed jews a certain way to bring Jesus

>>739016

> #demonstrablyFalse

>doesn't even understand the difference between word and term

>proceeds to strawman

Pathetic.

We're all one race, the human race, all coming from Adam and Eve around 6000 years ago. The whole social construct of "races" is antichristian.

>>739718

>Unironically using the social construct meme

>>>/leftypol/

>>739718

Congratulations, you're a moron. Based on your idiot logic speciation, gender, living and dead are all not real since they're logical constructs brainlet. You're a brainless materialist, just cut out the middleman and convert to Judaism.

>>738350

>One moderator would post under a different name and at times, remove posts that made him look bad or wrong

Sounds just like certain mods here

>>739741

Oh he was really bad, I knew of at least three of his socks he used to make it look like he was right. It puzzled me for a long time as to why the main account wasn't banned, then I found out he had another account where he was a mod. This though is just the tip of the iceberg.

>>739091

Best I could sum it up as is race autism.

>>739739

>>739729

>>Unironically using the social construct meme

>>>>/leftypol/

Bible have few explanations for races anyways. Races are an abusive grouping of ethnicities and are not coherent anyway with religious morals. Unless you have this right wing hypocritical moralism that is far away from Jesus teachings

>>740382

Bible have few explanations for social constructs. Social Constructs are an abusive grouping of ideology and are not coherent anyway with religious morals. Unless you have this left wing hypocritical moralism that is far away from Jesus teachings

And, yes, the "social construct" meme is itself a social construct.

>>740382

Literally not even a coherent argument, get lost moron.

The problem is that modern racism is defined by Darwinianism i.e. Biological Racism. which in essence, creates a racial hierarchy one cannot escape from. Prior to this, the historical interpretation was that you (or your people) behave a certain way because you (or your fathers) made certain choices and developed a specific culture.

This obviously complicates matters for (most) Christians as biological determinism is fairly anti-christian. While true that different cultures/ethnicities do behave differently…. speaking about it openly can easily lead to dangerous consequences (see pagan-nazism) or black specific slavery in America.

As for OP, race-mixing itself is meaningless. It's whether the consequences are good or bad i.e. bad family environment, cultural problems etc

>>740484

>biological determinism is fairly anti-christian

<The works of your father ye shall do.