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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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1cc497  No.731329

Does God torture people in hell? Just saw this discussion on /islam/ and was curious what /christian/ thought.

I'm not sure what to believe, but I think "punishment" in hell is self-inflicted, like grief and sadness over the evil one has done and what was lost. Like we get an healthy conscience instead of a fallen one.

6d6e9c  No.731331

No, God does not torture anyone. Why would the God who literally endured torture and died on the cross out of His love for you ever torture you? Doesn't make any sense.


fec8c9  No.731333

>>731329

Hell is the lack of God. That alone is hell… and who you're with doesn't make it any better.


6d6e9c  No.731337

>>731333

Another point of view is that it is an abundance of God's love, not a lack. The reason it is experienced as painful is due to a person's rejection and hatred of God.


95cf15  No.731341

>>731329

Revelation 14

>And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

>The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

>And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

That leads me to believe the torture of Hell is conducted in the presence of God and his angels, it’s not some “lack of God” as some people say.


1cc497  No.731343

>>731341

Who's doing the torturing?


dca57c  No.731346

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Many people just simply hate God, even if it's not explicit, they hate the truth and logos in their hearts. There will be gnashing of teeth when this world passes away and Christ reigns eternally, the ways of this world will be destroyed forever.


fec8c9  No.731347

>>731341

>That leads me to believe the torture of Hell is conducted in the presence of God and his angels, it’s not some “lack of God” as some people say.

That kind of strict interpretation is turning God into a Stalker and a Sadist.

And why would it be heaven for anyone to sit around there listening……indefinitely? Maybe the sickos here on 8chan get off on 24/7 snuff vids, but that wouldn't be "heaven" for any Christian.

Presence in this sense could just mean Vindication for all to see.. of God having the final word, of showing a clear victor and judgement for all time.


526d08  No.731360

>>731337

this honestly.

imagine richard dawkins in hell: it is a man who has "you aren't" being faced with the greatest "I AM", and losing the argument.

such a thing must be the most unbearable of hells for such an arrogant person.


0846bc  No.731371

>>731337

> hell is just an abundance of love that's why he made a special place for those who abandoned him

Please explain


6d6e9c  No.731373

>>731371

According to that view Hell is a state of being, not a place, it is only referred to as a place metaphorically. That state of being is rejecting God's love which engulfs you like a flame.


95cf15  No.731375

>>731347

God is omnipresent. I don’t think people in Heaven will have to deal with it


0846bc  No.731376

>>731373

I get that and it makes perfect sense but how does it tie into scripture?


6d6e9c  No.731377

>>731376

Not sure -__-


1cc497  No.731379

>>731360

>imagine richard dawkins in hell:

vid related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BSuZ753SL4&t=54s


6d6e9c  No.731380

>>731379

lmao


28e7f9  No.731381

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The truth is, OP, we don't know precise details – ergo the debate in here. What is clear is that God condemns, and God will pour out His wrath. Whether that fulfills the "torture" definition is kinda meaningless semantics to those enduring hell for eternity.

>>731331

>Why would the God who literally endured torture and died on the cross out of His love for you ever torture you? Doesn't make any sense.

#the_absolute_state_of_this_board

Your logic bears no relevance to what God will or will not do.

>>731333

trips mean it must be true

>>731341

>torment =/= torture

It's drawing a long bow to say that "God is torturing" from that passage, but then we get into semantics: I say torture is the active act of someone on another to cause pain; pouring out fire and brimstone onto the condemned, an unquenchable fire, means AN act is undertaken with consequences that are eternal.

Frankly, you ought to answer this guy >>731343


6d6e9c  No.731383

>>731381

don't hashtag me bro, what's wrong with what I said?


28e7f9  No.731385

>>731383

>Your logic bears no relevance to what God will or will not do.


c19eec  No.731411

>>731331

This, those verses about God's judgement and wrath are clearly just artistic license.


4f8220  No.731412

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>>731376

>>731377

https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/glory2godforallthings/the-river-of-fire-kalomiros/


244352  No.731427

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>>731329

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Matthew 25:41

Probably one of the easiest way to tell a false faith is if they do not believe in hell; clearly they are just selecting what they want to believe at their own pleasure instead of holding to the whole truth.

Also God doesn't reach down from heaven to torture people in hell, the devils and unending fires already there do the job just fine. Such a thing would not be hell, as God is far too beautiful to behold, it would be too great a pleasure. Not even a drop of water will be for their tongue, as it is said in Luke 16:24.

"So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’ But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are left to suffer. And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.’ "

Hell is not only biblical but a central part of the faith. If you do not maintain and affirm that hell does in fact exist, you are a heretic of the most serious condemnation. As you would not hold the true faith but a corrupted one, and thereby are severed from the church outside of which there is no salvation, you who do not believe in hell to my knowledge will not be saved.


244352  No.731429

*you who maintain that hell does not exist


f3d3ed  No.731437

>>731427

I don't think devils torture people in hell either, they're tortured with us. I don't perceive it as literal fire either, either in hell or purgatory. As weird as it sounds, I believe that souls that are lost are tortured by their own confusion and pain of existence. However, souls in purgatory still have the will to better themselves to be fit for an eternal life with God while those in hell are just going to be lost forever.

None of this is very biblical, but you just gotta guess how things work when it's not written. All there is written is the most and only important thing, which is that damnation should be avoided. But it's a kind of fun to speculate I guess.


87607b  No.733436

>>731437

pretty heretical opinion



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