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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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9e07cb  No.730420

Churches turn to pop music hits instead of hymns to attract young…

A Church Remembers Avicii, With Hits Instead of Hymns

http://archive.today/2018.11.21-032222/https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/19/arts/music/avicii-mass-church-stockholm.html

STOCKHOLM — Olle Liljefors stood in a makeshift D.J. booth on Friday evening, spinning tracks by the Swedish musician Avicii, who died suddenly in April. It was not yet 8 p.m., but the cavernous venue was already at capacity, and Liljefors looked slightly nervous. Stepping away from the decks, he swapped his black leather motorcycle jacket for white robes and a gold-color stole. Then, with minutes until Mass began, the Lutheran pastor mixed one last song and bopped his head in time to the electronic beats that filled the grand dome of the Hedvig Eleonora Church, a striking ocher octagon in Stockholm wedged between chic restaurants and a busy shopping street.

The service that followed was intended in part as a memorial to Avicii, whose real name was Tim Bergling, who died in Muscat, Oman, in an apparent suicide. But by replacing the normal hymns with Avicii’s music, the religious ceremony was also part of a continuing effort by Liljefors and other clergy to draw younger members to the dwindling ranks of the Lutheran Church of Sweden. Photographs of the musician, who grew up in Stockholm in the parish that the Hedvig Eleonora Church serves, were on the altar. Bergling’s father gave a short speech that brought many in the pews to tears. Liljefors delivered the sermon, which drew on lyrics from Avicii’s songs. “When we sit at home ‘waiting for love,’ or when we are happy and want to dance, or when we feel lost, like ‘wake me up when it’s all over,’ music can bring love, hope, comfort and joy,” he said.

The music, though, was the main attraction. Ulf Norberg turned over his normal spot at the bench of Hedvig Eleonora’s impressive organ — the largest in the Nordic region — to the young organist Sebastian Johansson, and instead played piano and conducted the choir. Though he would return to playing Handel on Sunday, he was, for the moment, appreciating Avicii’s artistry. “His songs have classical elements — lots of long notes and broad lines,” Norberg said. “Some of the rhythms are tricky for the choir.” In the past several years, churches throughout Sweden, including Hedvig Eleonora, have held “Abba Masses,” in which the choir belts out “Waterloo” and other hits by the group. (“Money, Money, Money” is a favorite accompaniment during the collection rounds.) In Jonkoping, a city in southern Sweden, Ljungarum Church has also held services set to music by Sting, U2 and even the Jewish singer, Leonard Cohen. “We want to celebrate a service that can open up and touch people,” said Cecilia Sjoberg, the pastor of Ljungarum, where Avicii-inspired Masses were also held on Sunday.

139e0e  No.730427

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The sentiment is good, heck some of Avicii’s music had an almost religious tone to it, but thinking that replacing the Sacred with the Secular is going to attract kids has been and will always be a stupid and failed idea. Kids crave consistency and structure, and any attempt to make Christianity cool or hip takes away from that

Of course, the church in Sweden is barely even Christian now (didn’t their Archbishop remove all the Crosses from the church because it offends Muslims?), but much like Beyoncé-Masses or even the Liturgy of John Coltrane, the only people who would ever be drawn to it is people who already are familiar with Christianity and either go out of mockery of God or itching ears and a fruitless craving for the new

sorry for the sermon, but this is something I see churches doing more and more, and it’s really ironically getting old.


f08b5e  No.730438

>>730420

this is some new-age movement bs. But then again it's sweden so they're already dead as far as i know


fb478d  No.730439

"The profound sacred and spiritual meaning of the great music of the church must never be mixed with the transitory quality of rock and roll music. The former serves to lift men’s souls to higher levels of reality, and therefore to God. The latter so often plunges men’s minds into degrading and immoral depths.”

- Martin Luther King Jr.

Not a quote I hear very often.


3bba3f  No.730473

A little bit about Avicii. That is the Sanskrit/ Pali word for the Mahayana Buddhist (not really orthodox, but larger branch) of the lowest level of "Hell". It means essentially eternal Hell, but no Hell is eternal in any form of Buddhism. If you guys have watched the movie "The Departed" by Martin Scorcese, it's a remake of a Hong Kong movie called "Infernal Affairs" in English, but it's actual Chinese name is "Mou Gan Dou" (Cantonese) or "Wu Jin Dao" (Mandarin) which means Avicii.

Tim Berg, Avicii the artist, did believe to some extent in this nonsense of Buddhism and transmigration of souls. His girlfriend confirmed this in her note to her posthumous boyfriend. He would talk to her about how once there was nothing else to do on this world you would stop being reborn, typical Buddhist nonsense. She didn't get why you would want to stop being reborn (another typical idiotic response with someone who's in love with the world).

Anyways the point being, I believe his buying into Buddhist BS contributed to his choice to take his life. One huge problem with these sorts of rebirth religions is that it places so little emphasis on any given life you have. You have unlimited. It reinforces a social hierarchy and leaves little for ambition, since you can just bet a better life in your next birth. Have an addiction or bad habit you don't want to give up now? It's okay you can always work on that in some other life. Maybe after 10 lives I'll be more ready to be austere and holy. I'm not ready in this life yet. Also, too much pain in this life? Well just go to the next one. Suicide is not always even guaranteed (in their viewpoint, not that this BS is even real) of sending you to a bad realm. But more than that, you or I could be fresh out of being in a terrible "Hell" for 248 Trillion years. We don't know and feel pretty fine for the most part. So who cares if something happens. We'll eventually get to another life like this and we'll feel fresh like nothing happened. It's a toxic ideology and its idiotic how many Starbucks hippies think this is remotely good.

Christianity is infinitely superior because it makes it clear you have one chance, one shot. Your life is extremely valuable. Rebirth/reincarnation makes your life totally disposable and meaningless. Tim Berg/Avicii was going off on this nonsense to his girlfriend around the time he killed himself. I'm fairly certain this stuff contributed towards it. I have read, especially with western "Buddhists" thoughts of suicide is higher.


9ba63d  No.730475

>>730439

Not a role model worth quoting


146ac0  No.730483

>>730475

Broken clocks….


b79f42  No.730486

This is pretty tame for the church of Sweden. We literally have lesbian bishops in this country.


842d52  No.730487

>>730427

>some of Avicii’s music had an almost religious tone to it

Fricking heck that's the biggest bullshite I've read on here in a long time.

Sage for shitpost but smh it made me reply from mobile too


139e0e  No.730492

>>730487

I’m sorry you had to post from your phone, but I wasn’t saying that Avicii was like a secret christian or that all of this was warranted or anything, I was just saying that it’s something that a brainlet liberal trying to be hip with the kids would see as making sense.


fb478d  No.730493

>>730475

Because you believe a transvestite FBI director?


b918a2  No.730499

>>730475

True. Apart from being a massive adulterous man, he even I believed questioned or denied the divinity of Christ. Terrible rolemodel and hardly a Christian. Fruits of Protestanism where anyone can be a (((Minister))). Just the other day on some pozzed news subreddit, there was a (((Minister))) claiming some nonsense about Christianity and said that oh people have perverted Jesus' message by going around and telling people if they don't believe they'll go to hell. Then I quote for him multiple quotes from the Gospel where Jesus and the apostles does this exact thing, and the (((Minister's))) response? (After dodging the question a bunch) "Oh that's totally against Jesus' message, maybe Matthew "colored" Jesus' message or maybe Jesus was "having a bad day" (despite multiple quotes on different occasions, all with the same message)


977a80  No.730500

>>730493

Because he denied the trinity.


779448  No.730503

>>730499

Reddit? You saved a archive of it, right?


e3595e  No.730612

>>730499

>Fruits of Protestanism where anyone can be a (((Minister))).

Papists literally believe Protestantism means "no good bad stuff that I don't like"




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