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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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38b904  No.729300

I'm about to start reading the following.

Anyone ever read it? any good? It's a hefty read.

fc40bd  No.729306

>>729300

I only made it half way through the book before being unable to stomach any more. Eventually, his antagonism simply became unbearable and over weighed my interest in his rather detailed church history. He is an apostate, insists on liberalising the church, bleating the usual line about modernisation and the need to change the unchanging message, and openly admits to having the intention of muddying the waters with his historical work. If you must read it, read it with full knowledge that the man who writes it is no friend of Christianity. See below.

From https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/4853/the-church-rejected-me-because-im-gay :

>"Though he calls the word “belief” “a bully-pulpit term used by those who want to make sure that you’re in or out of a particular ideological system”

>Aware from a young age that he was gay, MacCulloch – a parson’s son – considered this no barrier to entering the clergy. The Church was unsure how to treat his relationship with his boyfriend but ordained him as a deacon nonetheless. He says he thought of his relationship as more or less identical to that of any other clergy marriage, however disconcerting this was for his more conservative colleagues. It was when he was on the verge of being ordained as a priest that things came to a head: the presiding bishop said that he couldn’t go through with it “until the fuss dies down”, in MacCulloch’s words. Refusing to accept that he should have to compromise his sexual relationships for his career in the Church, MacCulloch walked away from his ordination. “What it represented was the Church rejecting me,” he tells me.

> Even now, though gay clergy can be ordained as part of the Church of England, the Church insists not only that they remain unmarried but also that they be celibate. How do senior clerical figures justify this? I ask MacCulloch. “I think they make sense of it because they think that heterosexual sex is the real sex; gay sex is an indulgence, and therefore to commit yourself to the Church means committing yourself to keeping away from this nasty thing.” Though the bishops realise how nonsensical this is, “there’s nothing they can do about it because they’re terrified of noisy Evangelicals who are committed to a narrow literalist reading of the Bible and whom most bishops still see as the only people with any money in the Church. I can tell you this because I’ve had them to lunch and watched it happen.”

>As MacCulloch notes, if Evangelicals wish to recruit from the under-30s they have no option but to alter their rhetoric, because of how radically the young differ on topics like equal marriage and abortion. How Christianity responds to this kind of disparity in the next few decades will have a great impact on how it is perceived from both inside and outside its congregations.

From: http://www.oxonianreview.org/wp/an-interview-with-diarmaid-macculloch/

>The problem is avoiding the simple version of the past, which is the property of fanatics. The religious historian’s job is to complicate the past, in a useful way, and stop those simplified stories being told in order to avoid simplified versions of the future—the awful, chilling simplicities of, at its worst, Al-Qaeda, but any sort of fundamentalism. So that’s a justification. It’s the general historian’s duty to combat insanity in the human race and it does seem to me that that’s professional history’s main objective. Apart from the fact of course it’s huge fun.

>Does the historian have particular moral responsibilities then?

>Yes, I think so. I’m very old fashioned in that way. It does seem to me to be a moral task, because otherwise it becomes pretty stories or antiquarianism; it becomes like stamp-collecting. And the task is to do what other disciplines can’t. Medicine is clearly vital to our physical well-being, physicists do things which I can’t do, but very few other disciplines are about combating corporate insanity. And that’s what historians do. So it is a moral task and it’s a peculiarly destructive and critical task as well because it’s always combating the simplicities, the crudities, the bullying of future generations by a version of the past. I’ve always emphasised that—probably more than most historians. It’s perhaps a hazard of being a parson’s son: you want to go on preaching.

>And what do you think is so compelling about Christianity? How has it managed to reinvent itself so many times?

>Well, it’s infinitely malleable, like all great world religions.


139834  No.729310

Archbishop of Canterbury? Enough said. Piously burn the book.


38b904  No.729314

>>729310

>>729306

Aw.

Knew I should have bought the Oxford History version instead.


5185d9  No.729327

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Superior history book coming through


42fbc9  No.729335

Yes, if you call out for insight and raise your voice for understanding, if you seek it like silver and search for it as for hidden treasures, then you will understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God.


63c440  No.729383

>>729306

>Even now, though gay clergy can be ordained as part of the Church of England, the Church insists not only that they remain unmarried but also that they be celibate.

LOL because shit went well for the CoE.

I don't get this faggots. What do they think? That the church is some political party or country whose laws were made by humans?

Even the unbeliever must acknowledge that catholics believe the church was founded by Christ and therefore who are we including the pope to change one bit of God's divine law.

I swear these kind of people are either gay or have a sub two digits IQ or both.


63c440  No.729385

>>729306

>not only that they remain unmarried but also that they be celibate.

So to this winnie the pooh faggot it would be ok with him that priest remained unmmarried but could fornicate? What the winnie the pooh how can someone be such a faggot.

Next time someone asks me why I believe in demons ill introduce them to this faggot.


38b904  No.729386

>>729383

They were desperate to stop the falling numbers and thus kneeled.

They didn't realise however that the very people hating them for being that way never had any intention of going to church anyway.


63c440  No.729391

>>729386

That's what makes me mad.

Those fags want that the church accepts fags and all the other moral trash but they still wouldnt like to go to Mass even then.

Then why bother? In their minds aren't people free to join an "anti progressive" religion like Catholicism? I couldn't care less if Islam changed their doctrines every week nor would I protest that their "masses" or wtv theyre called had x or y because I would never in my life go to a winnie the pooh mosque no matter how much Islam changed.

I really hate those kind of people. All they want is chaos and making everyone bending to their shit.


38b904  No.729393

>>729391

Same types usually have no issues with islam. They just want to punish the church. Makes me sick too.


ae8083  No.729409

>>729300

its not horrible, he inserts his opinions more than i'd like, they are easily distinguishable from his actual history for the critical reader though.


1b9b6e  No.729410

>the presiding bishop said that he couldn’t go through with it “until the fuss dies down”

sounds to me like they were willing to actually ordain him and that he just had to wait for a little bit. but of course, he didn't care about that. how much you wanna bet "he thought of his relationship as more or less identical to that of any other clergy marriage" is a big fat lie and that he was flaunting it around and making "those damn conservatives" read: people who actually care about God and the purpose of the Church and not just having another social club to push their SJW agenda uncomfortable.


d40cf3  No.729416

>>729300

I received this book as a gift from my mother who is interested in Christianity, yet hasn't converted yet. I've only gone through the first few chapters so far, and while I'll admit it's a fascinating read, the language used is *dreadful*. He continuously refers to Christianity as a cult and acts like it arose as a mere cultural phenomenon and not the truth.

The author is a wolf in sheep's clothing and it is a chore going through every false assertion he makes about the belief he claims to believe in.

Do not buy this book.

>>729306

FPBP


cc3747  No.729426

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